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Is Killing fine?

  • Yes

  • No

  • In self defence

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bfdd

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Neckbeard why do you think killing in self defense is justified? All life is precious I thought, why should yours even in defense be more valuable than theirs? Obviously you should just keel over and die because who knows maybe after the trial, if they catch the guy, and he spends sometime in jail, if he's convicted, he could reform and get his life together.
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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bfdd said:
Neckbeard why do you think killing in self defense is justified? All life is precious I thought, why should yours even in defense be more valuable than theirs? Obviously you should just keel over and die because who knows maybe after the trial, if they catch the guy, and he spends sometime in jail, if he's convicted, he could reform and get his life together.
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Because I have a more personal connection to my life, therefore I am aware of it's value, someone who i've never met, I'm not aware of the value of their life, in terms of it's potential and a value is greater than an unknown.
 
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bfdd

Lifer
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HAL9000 said:
Because I have a more personal connection to my life, therefore I am aware of it's value, someone who i've never met, I'm not aware of the value of their life, in terms of it's potential and a value is greater than an unknown.
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That exact justification can be used for killing anything for any reason. So you're going to have to do better than that.
 
corwin

corwin

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Jan 13, 2006
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HAL9000 said:
Because I have a more personal connection to my life, therefore I am aware of it's value, someone who i've never met, I'm not aware of the value of their life, in terms of it's potential and a value is greater than an unknown.
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So you finally admit we're right...the value of our family/selves lives is worth more than a criminal you've never met. The value of our lives is worth more than the unknown I tentions of an intruder in my home...it's amazing you actually admitted it
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HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
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corwin said:
So you finally admit we're right...the value of our family/selves lives is worth more than a criminal you've never met. The value of our lives is worth more than the unknown I tentions of an intruder in my home...it's amazing you actually admitted it
:sneaky:
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I've always said that my life and my families life is worth more than the life of a criminal. Always.
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
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MikeMike said:
I have no idea what the value of your life is, So i value it less than the price of a gun and a bullet... i shoot you... according to what you said, that makes it morally fine.
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No it doesn't. What I said was that I value my life over the value of an unknowns life, so when the choice is between the two I pick mine. That doesn't mean that the unknowns life isn't worth anything, or that I can kill anyone for any reason. I still think that all life has value.
 
corwin

corwin

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HAL9000 said:
I've always said that my life and my families life is worth more than the life of a criminal. Always.
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No you keep saying that guy breaking in your window could be there for any reason, maybe just needs a cup of sugar, so you're gonna just have a chat with him and risk all your lives rather than just putting him down thereby guaranteeing all of your more valuable lives. You can't have it both ways. If a criminals life is worth less than yours and your families why would you put them at ANY risk by not killing them as soon as they break in which poses a threat?
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
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corwin said:
No you keep saying that guy breaking in your window could be there for any reason, maybe just needs a cup of sugar, so you're gonna just have a chat with him and risk all your lives rather than just putting him down thereby guaranteeing all of your more valuable lives. You can't have it both ways. If a criminals life is worth less than yours and your families why would you put them at ANY risk by not killing them as soon as they break in which poses a threat?
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Why assume he poses a threat to their lives?
 
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bfdd

Lifer
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HAL9000 said:
Why assume he poses a threat to their lives?
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It doesn't matter if I think he poses a threat. I already value his life less than the second he made me waste to ponder if he's a threat. This is the same logic you just used to come to the conclusion they should be killed.
 
corwin

corwin

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HAL9000 said:
That's a dangerous assumption to make.
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It's dangerous to you and you're family to assume he isn't, it's only dangerous to him, a criminal who chose to break the law and take his chances, if you assume he is...so again, which is more valuable, whose life would you rather risk by assumption, yours or his?
 
HAL9000

HAL9000

Lifer
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bfdd said:
It doesn't matter if I think he poses a threat. I already value his life less than the second he made me waste to ponder if he's a threat. This is the same logic you just used to come to the conclusion they should be killed.
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No it's not, I made the distinction that when choosing between the two lives, his life has less of a value to me than my own or that of my families. When he enters the house I'm not choosing between lives.
 
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