• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

"Killing is [morally] fine" Discuss

Page 18 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Is Killing fine?

  • Yes

  • No

  • In self defence

Results are only viewable after voting.
HAL9000 said:
The man grabs a knife? That's a threat right there, I'd respond with a knife.



So because he's in your house uninvited he's there to hurt or kill you? This is a logical fact based conclusion to you?
Click to expand...

No, he is a threat to my livelihood... which means he is a threat... which means I eliminate him...
 
HAL9000 said:
The man grabs a knife? That's a threat right there, I'd respond with a knife.
Click to expand...

So up until the point where he grabs a knife, what would your actions be? I'm trying to explore the "caution" side of your logic here. Because "caution" to me is much different than yours. So I am trying to understand it and have you actually explain it.
 
MikeMike said:
No, he is a threat to my livelihood... which means he is a threat... which means I eliminate him...
Click to expand...

So thieves deserve the death penalty?

FallenHero said:
So up until the point where he grabs a knife, what would your actions be? I'm trying to explore the "caution" side of your logic here. Because "caution" to me is much different than yours. So I am trying to understand it and have you actually explain it.
Click to expand...

Up until then I imagine it would be to defend the property that he is holding.
 
HAL9000 said:
So thieves deserve the death penalty?



Up until then I imagine it would be to defend the property that he is holding.
Click to expand...

Wait... since when are we assuming he is just a thief? now YOU are making assumptions...

Up until then? huh? you make no sense (even though that isn't my argument)
 
MikeMike said:
Wait... since when are we assuming he is just a thief? now YOU are making assumptions...

Up until then? huh? you make no sense (even though that isn't my argument)
Click to expand...

You told me he was a threat to your livelihood. I assumed that meant he was a thief?

I do make assumptions of course, everyone does, but when it comes to ending someones life I do not.
 
You are risking their lives on statistics...but I'll leave you with one more distinction. Someone who breaks into your home while you're not there is going to be stealing your shit, someone who breaks on while your home is more likely to be there to cause you harm, which is why they're called home invasions vs burglaries. I would never risk our lives on any statistics...but why don't you look up the statistics on home invasions vs burglary
 
HAL9000 said:
You told me he was a threat to your livelihood. I assumed that meant he was a thief?

I do make assumptions of course, everyone does, but when it comes to ending someones life I do not.
Click to expand...

a thief steals, ONLY... a home invader will do anything...
 
corwin said:
You are risking their lives on statistics...but I'll leave you with one more distinction. Someone who breaks into your home while you're not there is going to be stealing your shit, someone who breaks on while your home is more likely to be there to cause you harm, which is why they're called home invasions vs burglaries. I would never risk our lives on any statistics...but why don't you look up the statistics on home invasions vs burglary
Click to expand...

I will do, but it's 6am, I'll do it another time. I should add, that I'm not assuming he's there to steal, someone asked what he was there for and I gave a most likely scenario.

FallenHero said:
Unarmed?
Click to expand...

If the other guy is then yeah I'd have thought so. I think that's more of a judgement call at the time, I.e. can I defend myself against him physically without some kind of aid.
 
HAL9000 said:
So because he's in your house uninvited he's there to hurt or kill you? This is a logical fact based conclusion to you?
Click to expand...

Does he care about the law? No.
Does he want to get caught? No.


Ok, then if this is the case then he's got no reason not to kill you and every reason to kill you.
 
HAL9000 said:
If the other guy is then yeah I'd have thought so. I think that's more of a judgement call at the time, I.e. can I defend myself against him physically without some kind of aid.
Click to expand...

So you would go off the assumption that if you approximately physically equal or you are a larger person, that you could defend your property successfully without any sort of aid against an unarmed assailant?
 
FallenHero said:
So you would go off the assumption that if you approximately physically equal or you are a larger person, that you could defend your property successfully without any sort of aid against an unarmed assailant?
Click to expand...

Yeah I imagine I would, I'd assume that someone of a lesser stature or physical presence I would be able to best in a fight. Given the limited data available to me at the time.
 
HAL9000 said:
I see. What's your point?
Click to expand...

so... when you can't disagree with the statement, you act like it makes no sense to you???

and here, I have a question for you... Find me the statistic about a home intruder who is surprised by the home owner being home... How many run, how many turn violent?
 
HAL9000 said:
Yeah I imagine I would, I'd assume that someone of a lesser stature or physical presence I would be able to best in a fight. Given the limited data available to me at the time.
Click to expand...

I'm fairly certain anyone would be able to kick your ass and then... (not saying it it will get me banned)
 
MikeMike said:
so... when you can't disagree with the statement, you act like it makes no sense to you???
Click to expand...

The statement made perfect sense, I just don't know what relevance it had to this debate or what point he was trying to make from it.

and here, I have a question for you... Find me the statistic about a home intruder who is surprised by the home owner being home... How many run, how many turn violent?
Click to expand...

It's 6am, you're going to have to do your own research tonight I'm afraid.
 
HAL9000 said:
The statement made perfect sense, I just don't know what relevance it had to this debate or what point he was trying to make from it.



It's 6am, you're going to have to do your own research tonight I'm afraid.
Click to expand...

it's 6am, yet for he past 13 minutes you have been posting... (hint, its 6:13am, maybe 6:14 now)... anytime you DONT want to do something, you make up a bs excuse.
 
HAL9000 said:
Yeah I imagine I would, I'd assume that someone of a lesser stature or physical presence I would be able to best in a fight. Given the limited data available to me at the time.
Click to expand...

So you are going off the assumption that the intruder has no weapon hidden from view, has no training in ground fighting/hand-to-hand, does not possess greater physical stamina then you (not strength, stamina), and is unwilling to fight just as hard as you are to win.

You don't see any of those assumptions as inherently dangerous? Because any one of those assumptions, if wrong, can kill you.
 
FallenHero said:
So you are going off the assumption that the intruder has no weapon hidden from view, has no training in ground fighting/hand-to-hand, does not possess greater physical stamina then you (not strength, stamina), and is unwilling to fight just as hard as you are to win.

You don't see any of those assumptions as inherently dangerous? Because any one of those assumptions, if wrong, can kill you.
Click to expand...

but... he isn't making assumptions... remember?
 
MikeMike said:
it's 6am, yet for he past 13 minutes you have been posting... (hint, its 6:13am, maybe 6:14 now)... anytime you DONT want to do something, you make up a bs excuse.
Click to expand...

You're right it's 6:15 am now.

FallenHero said:
So you are going off the assumption that the intruder has no weapon hidden from view, has no training in ground fighting/hand-to-hand, does not possess greater physical stamina then you (not strength, stamina), and is unwilling to fight just as hard as you are to win.

You don't see any of those assumptions as inherently dangerous? Because any one of those assumptions, if wrong, can kill you.
Click to expand...

They absolutely could be dangerous assumptions to make, the same as pulling out into traffic could be a dangerous assumption to make if there is a blind spot around the corner, but unfortunately making dangerous assumptions that may affect our lives are common place. Making assumptions that validate a choice to end someone else's life is not.

MikeMike said:
but... he isn't making assumptions... remember?
Click to expand...

I didn't say I don't make assumptions on anything. Of course I do, in fact I told you that a few posts back.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top