Kicking BP while its down

[shadow9d9]

He is the President of the United States. It is his duty & responsibility to take a disaster, such as this leak, & do whatever it takes to fix it, quickly. He needs to tap into whatever amount of resources are available, or make available, to correct the problem. It's not happening. This should've been fixed or at least made major progress towards fixing it weeks ago. It's called taking the bull by the horns & making it happen. The technology is available, but he isn't bringing the right people together to make it work.

Instead, like everyone else involved in the situation, he's standing around waiting for someone else to fix it. Well, guess what, nobody else is fixing it. So, here we are, as millions of gallons of crude pour into the Gulf, standing around totally clueless & looking helpless.

Don't try to convince me that the technology doesn't exist, because it does. But it's going to require someone who actually gives a shit to bring it all together & make it work. In the meantime, we'll just watch our government stand around, or go visit small solar companies in the Bay Area, while we inflict more destruction on our planet.

Hell, even I drew up something freehand 2 weeks ago that, in theory would work, or at least contain the oil spill, & it looked great on paper & I'm not even an engineer. So, if I can use my brain to draw up something by hand, don't tell me the engineers who make $600k can't make something work. This is 2010 FFS.

Do I think Obama is intentionally refusing to tap into a trusted resource that can fix this mess? No, I don't think he's tapping into the right resources. They're the blind leading the blind right now & they're all clueless. See, that's what happens when you elect a leader who can't lead. Yes, I know, I voted for him too.

So go ahead, go on & on about how he's so helpless & this oil leaks a mile down aren't his forte & he doesn't have experience with this sort of thing. Go ahead, that's what most people do anyway, is live & breathe on excuses. They did it for 8 years with Bush, why not do it with Obama? Hell, half the country forgave Bush for taking forever & a day to lift a finger for the victims of Katrina, this probably won't be much different.

But I don't live by excuses & bullshit like these people. If there's a problem, I fix it, or tap into enough resources to help me fix it. Or keep working on it until it's fixed. I don't care if you think Obama is your savior. He may be a lot of things, but he's far from a leader.

So, in other words, you have no clue how you think he should do it.. he should just somehow magically do it because you wish him to be able to do so.

 

[shadow9d9]

F*** you...I hardly rant in this place, but this is something I couldn't just let go...& stand on the sideline & say everything is fine like everyone else...Just like they did for the past 8 years. My drawing is my drawing & you're right, nobody will give a rats ass about it...But that's ok...these silly arguments won't go anywhere...keep convincing yourselves that your fearless leader will fix everything & make it sweet as roses...you're entitled to that...Some of us though, call a spade a spade...

I've said what I needed to say...Rant over...you guys can watch the wildlife swim in the crude together, I've seen enough...

"Fix it!"

"How?"

"JUST DO IT HE IS THE LEADER NOT SAVIOR!"

"But how do you think he can magically fix something like this?"

"I WONT REPEAT MYSELF THIS IS THE LEADER AND HE IS NOT LEADING!"


Allllrighty then...

 

[purbeast0]

He is the President of the United States. It is his duty & responsibility to take a disaster, such as this leak, & do whatever it takes to fix it, quickly. He needs to tap into whatever amount of resources are available, or make available, to correct the problem. It's not happening. This should've been fixed or at least made major progress towards fixing it weeks ago. It's called taking the bull by the horns & making it happen. The technology is available, but he isn't bringing the right people together to make it work.

Instead, like everyone else involved in the situation, he's standing around waiting for someone else to fix it. Well, guess what, nobody else is fixing it. So, here we are, as millions of gallons of crude pour into the Gulf, standing around totally clueless & looking helpless.

Don't try to convince me that the technology doesn't exist, because it does. But it's going to require someone who actually gives a shit to bring it all together & make it work. In the meantime, we'll just watch our government stand around, or go visit small solar companies in the Bay Area, while we inflict more destruction on our planet.

Hell, even I drew up something freehand 2 weeks ago that, in theory would work, or at least contain the oil spill, & it looked great on paper & I'm not even an engineer. So, if I can use my brain to draw up something by hand, don't tell me the engineers who make $600k can't make something work. This is 2010 FFS.

Do I think Obama is intentionally refusing to tap into a trusted resource that can fix this mess? No, I don't think he's tapping into the right resources. They're the blind leading the blind right now & they're all clueless. See, that's what happens when you elect a leader who can't lead. Yes, I know, I voted for him too.

So go ahead, go on & on about how he's so helpless & this oil leaks a mile down aren't his forte & he doesn't have experience with this sort of thing. Go ahead, that's what most people do anyway, is live & breathe on excuses. They did it for 8 years with Bush, why not do it with Obama? Hell, half the country forgave Bush for taking forever & a day to lift a finger for the victims of Katrina, this probably won't be much different.

But I don't live by excuses & bullshit like these people. If there's a problem, I fix it, or tap into enough resources to help me fix it. Or keep working on it until it's fixed. I don't care if you think Obama is your savior. He may be a lot of things, but he's far from a leader.

hahahaha

 

[spidey07]

So what is this technology you speak of? Mind using more than generalizations? You drew up something freehand? Give me a break, I can draw up something freehand too!

You're whining doesn't help anything either. Why don't you post your freehand drawing so we can all poke holes in it......

fucking moron just wants to rant like usual

Skimmers and other technology other countries have have been standing, ready to assist but Obama has prevented them from helping by not suspending the Jones act. These boats can't work on the problem because they're not union.

He is part of the problem, not part of the solution. He is making this much worse than it should have been.

 

[shadow9d9]

Skimmers and other technology other countries have have been standing, ready to assist but Obama has prevented them from helping by not suspending the Jones act. These boats can't work on the problem because they're not union.

He is part of the problem, not part of the solution. He is making this much worse than it should have been.

Skimmers are going to plug the hole in the bottom of the ocean? "Other technology" that countries have, except for us, are being withheld? Proof?

If any of that conspiracy garbage were real, everyone would be scrambling to have it done.

 

[spidey07]

Skimmers are going to plug the hole in the bottom of the ocean? "Other technology" that countries have, except for us, are being withheld? Proof?

If any of that conspiracy garbage were real, everyone would be scrambling to have it done.

Yes, other countries have better technology than us to deal with spills (I've read this in multiple places) and it's being prevented from being used thanks to the Jones Act. It was offered just days after the event. Foreign ships can't work in the waters. A simple swipe of the pen could make it happen.

http://www.examiner.com/x-9100-Bost...ct--Hes-aiding-in-the-destruction-of-the-Gulf

Obama has refused to waive the Jones Act. His Administration keeps putting the blame on the Coast Guard who puts the blame on others for not requesting the Jones Act be waived. Yet a simple Executive Order signed by Obama could waive the Jones Act in about 3 minutes, less time than it takes Obama to set up a tee on the golf course. The Gulf is in dire need of all the help it can get. When foreign entities with better expertise and equipment in oil spills offer to help, why is Obama refusing?

 

[shadow9d9]

Yes, other countries have better technology than us to deal with spills (I've read this in multiple places) and it's being prevented from being used thanks to the Jones Act. It was offered just days after the event. Foreign ships can't work in the waters. A simple swipe of the pen could make it happen.

http://www.examiner.com/x-9100-Bost...ct--Hes-aiding-in-the-destruction-of-the-Gulf

Eh, "The Jones Act has nothing to do with foreign help for disasters. It only regulates commerce between U.S. ports, so there's no waiver necessary."

"Fox & Friends misleadingly suggests we are not "us[ing] the rest of the world's offers to help us skim up the sludge"

Kilmeade suggests we are not "us[ing] the rest of the world's offers to help us skim up the sludge." On the June 11 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Kilmeade, during a discussion of the Jones Act -- which stipulates that all commerce transported through U.S. waters be carried by a U.S. owned and operated ship that was also built in the U.S -- claimed that "we've been unable" to clean up the oil as well as the 1991 spill in the Persian Gulf, and said, "Maybe the reason is the Jones Act and our inability or decision not to use the rest of the world's offers to help us skim up the sludge." Guest co-host Eric Bolling claimed, "So the issue is with all this additional help available and this Jones Act preventing more help to come into the Gulf."

In fact, Allen stated that "we are using" equipment from other nations for oil clean-up. In a June 10 press briefing, Allen confirmed that "we are using" foreign technology: "

http://mediamatters.org/research/201006110023

"Gibbs: "We are using equipment ... from countries like Norway, Canada, the Netherlands"; no need "thus far" for "any type of waiver." In a June 10 press briefing, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs fielded a question on the administration's position in issuing waivers to the Jones Act. Gibbs stated that "there has not been any problem" with "using equipment" from foreign countries. From the briefing: "

" According to Wilson, this technology includes:

- Canada's offer of 3,000 meters of containment boom

- Three sets of COSEQ sweeping arms from the Dutch

- Mexico's offer of two skimmers and 4200 meters of boom

- Norway's offer of 8 skimming systems
"


You could have just told us you were repeating from the Fox News echo chamber.

"Fox & Friends repeatedly cropped Allen's comments to omit his discussion of foreign aid already being used"

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Guys, I drew something up freehand that would obviously work! Why can't these idiot $600K engineers do anything right?

 

[spidey07]

That's because that equipment had to be transferred to US flagged ships. How much did that delay any aid? Why did Obama turn away help from the Dutch and other countries?

WHY IS HE NOT LIFTING THE JONES ACT! We're some 60 days into this now.

And LOL at using what Gibbs said.

 

[ElFenix]

Guys, I drew something up freehand that would obviously work! Why can't these idiot $600K engineers do anything right?

obviously the cork would float so it wouldn't work



have they tried using a rag? apparently that stopped a leak on one of the few remaining dreadnoughts

 

[spidey07]

obviously the cork would float so it wouldn't work

Actually, at that depth it wouldn't float because the air in the cells would be so compressed. I think GA is onto something here.

 

[Regs]

Yeah, but this is probably the lowest it will ever be without another major incident, and they will guaranteed bounce back. If you have the money to invest and can wait it out a while, it has some very good potential profits with little risk.

I would still go in with a relatively quick exit strategy. I would not want to hold BP for more than 3 months right now.

 

[Anonemous]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/coughs+billion+small+people/3160376/story.html

BP cares about the 'small people'.

 

[shadow9d9]

That's because that equipment had to be transferred to US flagged ships. How much did that delay any aid? Why did Obama turn away help from the Dutch and other countries?

WHY IS HE NOT LIFTING THE JONES ACT! We're some 60 days into this now.

And LOL at using what Gibbs said.

Because as shown, the jones act doesn't apply. We are already accepting assistance. Repeating the same lies does not make it true.

 

[SP33Demon]

BP just got pwned in 20 Billion different ways.

 

[epidemis]

BP now stands for Bankruptcy Pending

Everyone know that BP stands for Brown Pelican

 

[BUTCH1]

I'm not a racist, you moron. I just said he's doing a terrible job getting this situation under control & he is. Period. I wouldn't touch Sarah Palin with a ten foot pole...lol...but you can have that trash.

Funny thing is, since you're still sitting on what you think of as a high horse, I actually voted for Obama. The problem I have is, he can't figure out his priorities & doesn't know left from right.

So instead of you thinking he's our savior, maybe you should spend more time thinking about how much long-term damage this leak is causing & how it's already affecting a lot more than just the Gulf. If your mouth weren't open so wide & your eyes weren't half shut, you'd see that this disaster is causing everyone (you included) a lot more harm than good.

Considering how you've decided to have tunnel vision, you probably won't realize that until you're paying $6 a gallon for gas, then it might, just might, trigger something in that brain of yours.

Either that or paying $40 / lb. for the fish of your choice. Hell, at this point, both of those things might happen.

While you're at it, down on your knees for Obama, that is, why don't you tell us why he spent 2 days over here in Fremont, CA just a few days after the oil line broke, chit chatting with a small private solar company about solar systems? Since you're under the impression his priorities are properly aligned & he has all of his ducks in a row, why don't you tell us how a meeting with a small solar company is a higher priority than hundreds of millions of gallons of crude pouring into the Gulf?

I can't wait to see you tell us that solar panel systems are a higher priority than some low-level crude disaster.

I live in FL so yea, I know it's going to affect me but even if Obama rents a duplex on the LA coast and stays there 24/7 it won't make a difference, the man's not an oil drilling engineer and he's doing what he can do and that's to rely on the people who are supposedly in the know to tell him what the plans are trying to correct this. You can rant about "lead" all you want but even if Abe F-ing Lincon was in office he would need to rely on engineers to get it solved, how much time he spent in the area would be irrelevant. Also I don't believe you voted for him (not that it matters) you sound just like every hater over in P+N looking for some reason to discredit the man. Never did I say he will be a savior, BTW it's too late for that now, the gulf is trashed..

 

[ultimatebob]

In other news, both Toyota and Massey Energy are secretly thrilled that most journalists aren't keeping an eye on THEIR massive safety problems as much as they were two months ago...

and come to think of it, why haven't we heard about GM and AIG in awhile? The economic losses that we took from those guys last year make the bill that BP is getting look like a bargain in comparison.

 

[djnsmith7]

I did vote for him, but I don't care if you believe that or not. I could care less what you believe. You think I actually have to go & look for a reason to discredit Obama? lol Turn on the news, pick up a newspaper, I don't know, talk to a friend, I think everyone accept for the Obama Lovers here will tell you there's a major problem.

Yes, at one point in time, he did have 100% of my approval rating, but since he's been in office, it's done nothing but decrease. It was gradual at first, but once this happened & he didn't do shit about it, I lost all respect for him. So now, not that it matters to you or anyone else, my approval rating of him is zero.

I'd rather not kick this dead horse, as my opinions are what they are. Sure, just like GW & Junior, Obama will probably be forgiven once this disaster is finally cleaned up, but it won't be without a nasty blemish like Katrina did to Junior, & rightfully so.

Obama's still trying to figure out what to do next. The latest news today, which was probably actually reported several days ago, but I just caught it today, they are regulating which reporters can report from the beaches & they're basically restricting everything the media delivers. Yea, that's great, only give us the small pieces of shit you want us to read & know so that things don't look as bad as they really are. They've threatened to arrest reporters & everything for getting to close to the real story. Freedom of the press...That got tossed.

Oh & $20B, please...what a slap in the face. That's chump change for BP. Hit them with a $100B penalty & keep it running. Then we might be headed in the right direction.

Then there's the fact that they aren't letting the clean up crews come in & separate the oil from the water...major WTF going on over there.

I can't believe some of you are here arguing in favor of the way this shit is going down. You're basically saying everything is perfectly ok. I know that on a normal day you guys aren't this damn crazy. I've seen your discussions on other topics & most of you are well educated. But with this, seems like a few nuts & bolts are loose. lol

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I could care less what you believe.

How much less could you care? What would it take to minimize your caring capacity?

 

[djnsmith7]

Does it really matter?

 

[ElFenix]

How much less could you care? What would it take to minimize your caring capacity?

'bout t'ree fi'ty

 

[her209]

BP just got pwned in 20 Billion different ways.

Bye-bye Pensions

 

[Pardus]

Was reading the oil spill or disaster as it's now known as started on 4/20/10, this weekend marks day 60 and the oil is still gushing into the sea. CBS said the total oil leaked would fill the empire state building nearly 1/2 way so far.

Lot of people feel a small nuclear bomb would stop the spill. I also like the cork idea GodlessAstronomer came up with. I feel so much damage has been done to the ecosystem, things will never be as it was before.

(fun with photoshop)
BP: British Predator

 

[dahunan]

The problem was trusting BP in the first place and trusting politicians to write the laws for this stuff

Politicians are the most gutless and heartless cretins humanity produces.. please don't allow them to write ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS.. NOOOOOOOOO

They put a PRICE TAG on anything

Sell old people to the pharmaceuticals - Check!
Sell our wildlife and ocean beaches to irresponsible mega corporations - check!
Remove said mega-corporations from clean water acts and safety measures - check!
Allow mega-corporations to only pay fines when they fail safety checks - check! and let them just keep paying fines and never have to fix it
Blowout preventer without a backup.. nice.. ONLY in USA.. Brazil and South America will NOT let BP build faulty and cheap oil rigs.. USA .. no problem