Kerry: Bush Lets Groups Do 'Dirty Work'

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1EZduzit

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Anyway, how do you compare the two things. One is a man against another man, and the other is a man against a goverment? I guess by innuendo you are trying to compare Kerry against Hitler? LOL Keep trying.

Hardly and that isnt my point. My point is many people in Germany just wanted a change and it didnt matter what Hitler stood for. I hear over and over from lefties that all people need to know is Kerry is not Bush. Well personally even if I didnt like Bush. I would want to know what Kerry stood for and make sure it is truely better than what Bush stands for.

At this point even if I was open for changing my vote Kerry hasnt presented anything that distances himself from Bush. And the other 50% of his campaign is about taking two sides to every issue. Sometime down the road he is going to need to take stands.[/quote]

So let's have the debate on this issue and end the sniping once and for all. It will stop the critisism of both parties military record and then we can start talking about the real issues. Why do you guys resist such an excellent idea?

BTW, it still sounds like your trying to compare Kerry with Hitler to me. You seem to be saying Bush is a known and Kerry might turn out to be a Hitler. That's funny, LOL. Except your serious.
 

heartsurgeon

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If Kerry has proof that SBVFTT are supported or linked or working for Bush...he should provide the press with that proof.

otherwise, i think his attacking the integrity of President Bush is a diversionary tactic from attacking the SBVFTT directly...

he should prove them all wrong by releasing all of his military records...Bush did this i believe..

besides..someone got Thurlow's records via a freedom of information actyion, why not do the same for Kerry's military records...

lets see the source documents!!!!!
how can anyone be against that???
 

Jhhnn

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The usual "prove the impossible" from HS-

"If Kerry has proof that SBVFTT are supported or linked or working for Bush...he should provide the press with that proof."

Given that SBVFTT is largely financed by one of Bush's old time big money contributors, Bob Perry, it seems kinda obvious, HS...

Anytime you want to figure out who's doing what, with what, and to whom, particularly in politics, just follow the money... straight back to a guy who's contributed millions to the Republicans...

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231

This has been posted before. Or are you now adopting the CkG tactic of pretending that being owned is something to be ignored?
 

heartsurgeon

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"I agree with Senator McCain that the ad is inappropriate," Kerry said in a statement released by his campaign. "This should be a campaign of issues, not insults."
that's what your source states Kerry said...

the title of the article is
Kerry condemns anti-Bush ad
..kinda misleading isn't it? Kerry never condemned anything ("inappropriate" does not mean "condemned"). Plus, Kerry never denounced or condemned MoveOn.Org...in fact, he hired the head of MoveOn.org and made him part of his official campaign staff...

now here's the hypocrisy on Kerry's part, and the liberal media...

Kerry (commenting on anti-Bush ad) says "ad is inappropriate"
liberal media reports "Kerry Condemns Ads"

Bush (commenting on anti-Kerry ad) says "I guess they're saying bad things about him. And what I think we ought to do is not have them on the air"
liberal media reports "Bush fails to condemn ads"
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The usual "prove the impossible" from HS-

"If Kerry has proof that SBVFTT are supported or linked or working for Bush...he should provide the press with that proof."

Given that SBVFTT is largely financed by one of Bush's old time big money contributors, Bob Perry, it seems kinda obvious, HS...

Anytime you want to figure out who's doing what, with what, and to whom, particularly in politics, just follow the money... straight back to a guy who's contributed millions to the Republicans...

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231

This has been posted before. Or are you now adopting the CkG tactic of pretending that being owned is something to be ignored?

It's illegal for a politician to coordinate with a 527 organization. Show me your proof or go away.

If Kerry doesn't have anything to hide, why is he trying to smear over 200 decorated Vietnam vets?
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
If Kerry doesn't have anything to hide, why is he trying to smear over 200 decorated Vietnam vets?

An even better question is why 200 Vietnam vets, some of whom are decorated, want to smear the Navy this badily?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
This has been posted before. Or are you now adopting the CkG tactic of pretending that being owned is something to be ignored?

:roll: Nice try but your accusation fails the test of truth.

CkG


Your owned Cad, lock, stock and barrel. You just haven't figured it out yet.

If your life is so great and 100x better then 4 yeard ago, why is it you whine about paying taxes constantly? Is it because your not making enough money? That can't be it, the economy is great according to you!! 100 times better then 4 years ago.

Maybe your feeling owned and need to hurry up the old retirement investing? Or do you just need to take it out on some one who has no authority over you? I think it's the latter myself.

Personally, I kowtow to no man. Never have and never will. You got to fight...for your right....to PARTY!
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
hmmmm....

what about Michael Moore and his docu-bullsh!t propaganda movie.....i don't recall Kerry denouncing him.

what about moveon.org and it's Bush=Hitler movie....i don't recall Kerry denouncing moveon.org

what about Howard Dean positing that Bush knew the 9/11 attack was coming and didn't do anything to stop it? i don't recall Kerry "denouncing" Dean.

and Kerry's latest b.s. is to claim that he doesn't support the groups that are trying to make something about Bush's service in the Air National Guard..yea right..

o.k.

i'm here as a Bush representive to state that President Bush "denounces any efforts to misrepresent Sen. Kerry's military service"

heh heh....now what are gonna say?
Don't forget Media Fund attack ads
 

Jhhnn

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Try it this way, burnedout-

Have you seen F911? If not, you'd do well to stfu about it... The DNC declared Moore to be an Extremist, anyway- does Kerry have to do it, too?

The MoveOn airing of that particular ad predated Kerry's clinching of the nomination, and MoveOn pulled it, apolgized themselves. Nuff said?

Howard Dean made no such proposition. He said that Bush's silence and secrecy only enhanced the claims of those who said so...

When has Kerry ever questioned Bush's guard tour, such as it was? He says he doesn't support groups who are attempting to do so, and you've not demonstrated any financial ties, as with the SBVFTT charade...

And, uhh, you're not an official representative of the Bush Campaign, far as I can tell, and if you are, it merely confirms my suspicion that they're attempting to flood the internet with paid-for FUD attacks...
 

1EZduzit

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I saw a short interview on TV with the person who was rescued by Kerry in that incident. I would think it safe to say that he "had a front row seat". He said that it was dangerous, and he credited Kerry with saving his life. Personally, I would believe him over anyone else.

I have to ask myself if these other swift boat people were there and close enough to see everything they claim then why didn't they rush over and rescue him? The best scenario for the Bush camp I can come up with is that Kerry reacted faster then the other SBVFTT and irregardless of personal danger beat them over there and rescued him. Very commendabe at the very least.

Of course, I don't expect you hard core Bush "lite" people to belive him either. He's just one of those lying liberals to you. You will spread anything damning and tell any lies to discredit your "enemy".

In my opinion the "enemy" is Bush and other people just like him (what was Bush Sr.'s VP canidates name) who use their political clout to make sure they didn't have to go to Vietnam and possibly get shot at. Of course, even if they did have to go, they would have been stationed in such a safe place that they wouldn't have to worry about getting shot at too. Amazing how quick Bush was to send other people's children into harm's way, isn't it!! I have no respect for people like him who ask(order) others to do what they themselves were unwilling to do.

They also showed a clip of a Bush during a campaign speech and an unidentified person from the audience got up and called Kerry a liar about the incident (mentioning the infamous 200) and claimed he was never even shot at. President Bush just said "Thank You". He then turned away from the audience and the camera (which was behind him) caught him smirking with that arrogant little smirk he is so famous for. He had a perfect opportunity to give his offical position that Kerry deserved the medals and to denounce the SBVFTT and instead said "thank you" to the individual?? ROTFLMFAO. What a Cad kinda Guy!! :D

I would now like to see President Bush either denounce the SBVFTT ad in a public forum or preferably debate Kerry on this matter nstead of trying to get as much "milage" out of the issue as he can. Anything less then that just confirms what I already suspect about him anf that is the fact that he has no Honor and will say or do anything that he percieves as "coming his way".

How can anybody with any self-respect and honor vote for Bush? Kerry may not be perfect, but from where I stand he is the better canidate by far,

SBVFTT wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the a$$.
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Try it this way, burnedout-

Have you seen F911? If not, you'd do well to stfu about it...
<Remainder of goddamned, apologetic leftist trash snipped>

Where the hell do I personnally mention F9/11 in this thread? YOU should learn to read or shut your damn mouth about unrelated horsecrap.
 

Jhhnn

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My mistake burnedout- you were merely quoting HS, agreeing with him nonetheless...

I'm not sure that agreeing with his assessment is any less knee-jerk than his original remark, if you haven't actually seen F911...

I seriously doubt that he's seen it, either, and the rest pretty much applies to his opinion and anybody who agrees with him...