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Kentucky to allow public schools to teach from the bible

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He would pick up the whip again. He clearly states to be good stewards of your resources and warns against the apostate church that would exist at the end of the age. Churches like this one make me sick and I cheer for the EF5 that lands on them.

Kudos Puff, you are the kind of christian I can respect. I see the ranks of Red Letter Dems growing thanks to Trump's foul mouth and focus on the wealthy, while giving the poor, women, and children a tiny orange middle finger. Keep it up dude, it carries different weight coming from your corner. 😉

Right wing christians were dishonest hypocrites long before they got behind Il Douche, they've just doubled down and shown all their critics to be 100% correct for laughing at all that family values, morals, faith bullshit.

Still amazes me that in this day and age we still have a large number of people completely ignorant on why the separation of church and state benefits the sanctity of both. Short sighted idiocy, like most things that come from christian dominionists.
 
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Jesus seems to be completely chill with people suffering and with evangelists building temples of greed. He's never done anything to stop either.

Remember Joel Osteen's face on TV when his church got robbed, and he and his wife had to acknowledge the amount missing after a Sunday service?

I laughed so hard I damn near pissed myself.
 
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Yea my Idea of a real christian would be more like a buddhist or franciscan monk, living a clean and simple life doing no harm to others yet offering assistance to all. Sadly and Ironically a lot of so called christians especially the hard core are diametrically opposed to the teachings of jesus. They're greedy, selfish for their own kind and live a life of gluttony.

These Mega preachers make me sick. The are the most viel money grabbing hippocrates ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkyTIB9U4Xg
 
Kudos Puff, you are the kind of christian I can respect. I see the ranks of Red Letter Dems growing thanks to Trump's foul mouth and focus on the wealthy, while giving the poor, women, and children a tiny orange middle finger. Keep it up dude, it carries different weight coming from your corner. 😉

Right wing christians were dishonest hypocrites long before they got behind Il Douche, they've just doubled down and shown all their critics to be 100% correct for laughing at all that family values, morals, faith bullshit.

Still amazes me that in this day and age we still have a large number of people completely ignorant on why the separation of church and state benefits the sanctity of both. Short sighted idiocy, like most things that come from christian dominionists.
Brother if I'm honest most of the people who claim to be Christians don't even know God yet they run around in his name stirring up all kinds of havoc. Jesus had love for people and lived as a common man so he could understand it along with setting an example for his followers.

He never taught hate nor did he condone it when organized religion exhibited hate towards sinners; take the woman, or prostitute, at the well that he protected by stopping organized religion from stoning her to death. These are the same people that will be begging for mercy from the Lord at their judgement and will find none as they will be judged the very same way that they've judged others.

The bible tells Christians to be doers of the word not hearers only yet they want their ears tickled and will go along with whatever message is the most sensationally appealing to them. I am but a man and when I sit on the pot I make the flowers around me wilt.
 
Yea my Idea of a real christian would be more like a buddhist or franciscan monk, living a clean and simple life doing no harm to others yet offering assistance to all. Sadly and Ironically a lot of so called christians especially the hard core are diametrically opposed to the teachings of jesus. They're greedy, selfish for their own kind and live a life of gluttony.​

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Could you imagine if some peace and love hippie went wandering through the bible belt now expecting people to live by the tripe attributed to the fictional non-person known as Jesus? The Christians would be the ones to string him up.
 
Brother if I'm honest most of the people who claim to be Christians don't even know God yet they run around in his name stirring up all kinds of havoc.

Which leads to the question of why a supposedly omnipotent being allows people like that to speak for him. If I stood up in front of a bunch of TV cameras and passed myself off as a spokesman for Apple preaching violence against everyone with Blackberries I'd be hit with a restraining order in about 10 seconds and Apple would make sure the message got out that I didn't speak for them. They won't allow anyone to sully their brand with false messages. Yet your god can't be bothered to do the same. What sort of divine being would let modern American Christians speak for him and represent him as the paragon of what he wants and how he expects people to act? A real god would shove a lightning bolt up the ass of anyone who spread hatred in his name.
 
Yea my Idea of a real christian would be more like a buddhist or franciscan monk, living a clean and simple life doing no harm to others yet offering assistance to all. Sadly and Ironically a lot of so called christians especially the hard core are diametrically opposed to the teachings of jesus. They're greedy, selfish for their own kind and live a life of gluttony.

These Mega preachers make me sick. The are the most viel money grabbing hippocrates ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkyTIB9U4Xg

And remember, these places are held tax exempt! And now they get to hop back into politics, overtly, legally. It's so fuct up.
 
Try telling that to the bible pushers. They'd shit themselves if the government started mandating Satanism or Buddhism or maybe Islam be taught in schools. Teaching about religion is the duty of the parent NOT the government.

Just look at Felix in this thread. I've asked twice if he would be OK with a class on Islam or the Quran and he refuses to answer. I already know what he would say so the point it moot. All of this is in hopes to sneak the 'Christian' church back into schools and nothing more.
 
Try telling that to the bible pushers. They'd shit themselves if the government started mandating Satanism or Buddhism or maybe Islam be taught in schools. Teaching about religion is the duty of the parent NOT the government.
Absolutely correct there.
And remember, these places are held tax exempt! And now they get to hop back into politics, overtly, legally. It's so fuct up.
I'm a firm believer in that they should have to forfeit their tax free status and become classified as a PAC when they push politics from the pulpit.
 
This is actually argued in real life. Because of original sin everyone is born into sin (and thus deserving of whatever happens to them).

I think it was Aquinas that argued that all veneral acts are sinful and this is how original sin is transferred through the generations. Think it started with Augustine but Aquinas cemented the idea that this is how original sin transfers.

Augustine was a bit of a dick. He's the jerk that pretty much "resurrected" the Garden of Eden story to prominence, because among the church and major theologians of the day, it was seen as a laughable little tale, not worthy of much attention. A little allegory, nothing notable....then Augustine started down the "Everything is literally true" path, and especially original sin, and we are all fucked! seriously, what a jerk

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/06/19/how-st-augustine-invented-sex

IT's been many years since comparative lit classes and English lit, Christian lit, etc...but that is some awesome subject matter. The Bible is completely indispensable in the study of literature, but who is going to trust Kentucky to know anything useful about the Bible? Anyone? yeah? I didn't think so...
 
In my opinion Catholicism is one of the more tame denominations of the current day, perhaps that is due to the current pope being fairly moderate. The evangelicals are unhinged and have some really vicious and oppressive ideologies and present a far more serious threat. Their faith appears to be completely barren as they can easily rally around a sick degenerate like Trump in order to push their agenda.

At least as far as in the west. If I were living in the middle east, the corollary there would be the fanatical Muslims.
 
Politically the Catholics aren't a whole lot better. Any twit of a politician can claim to be pro life and pick up a bunch of Catholic voters for free. Hell, Trump did it.
 
Augustine was a bit of a dick. He's the jerk that pretty much "resurrected" the Garden of Eden story to prominence, because among the church and major theologians of the day, it was seen as a laughable little tale, not worthy of much attention. A little allegory, nothing notable....then Augustine started down the "Everything is literally true" path, and especially original sin, and we are all fucked! seriously, what a jerk

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/06/19/how-st-augustine-invented-sex

IT's been many years since comparative lit classes and English lit, Christian lit, etc...but that is some awesome subject matter. The Bible is completely indispensable in the study of literature, but who is going to trust Kentucky to know anything useful about the Bible? Anyone? yeah? I didn't think so...

Given that most modern Christians wouldn't want to touch the subject of kids being sinners and therefore deserving of pain and death I don't think it'll ever be discussed anywhere where Christians get to say what goes.

People tend to look down on people who argue that kids are sinners and deserve pain and death.
 
In my opinion Catholicism is one of the more tame denominations of the current day.

Compared to Evangelicals, JW's, SDA's, Mormons and most of the offshoots to protestantism, maybe but compared to most protestant (especially state protestant) churches that is certainly not true.

Catholics have their own extreme views where they fool people into believing that using condoms increases the chances of contracting HIV. Their teachings in Africa is also the reason for the various Christian terrorist groups in Africa (mainly Anti-Balaka).

Naturally Christians argue that they are not Christians just like Muslims argue that ISIS are not Muslim.
 
In my opinion Catholicism is one of the more tame denominations of the current day, perhaps that is due to the current pope being fairly moderate.

Your opinion is 100% ridiculous. Catholics are the worst sect of Christianity, you're just living in a country that's pro-Catholic and any news outlet that reported the actual truth would get their asses reamed. The Vatican sponsored genocide in Rwanda in the 1990's (not under the watch of Francis, but hardly ancient history) and is now involved in ethnic cleansing in the CAR. And Vatican backed missionaries are doing the same in the Pacific. Educate yourself on what the Catholic church is REALLY doing (hint: you wont find the news on CNN or USA Today) and see if you still think they're tame.
 
Speaking of christianity being allowed to further infect public schools at the taxpayers expense ... https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/...ding-college-policies-that-are-effective.html

Again they demonstrate, ideology over facts is what republicans want. These fools are sabotaging our collective future and have the gall to act superior and morally justified over it. I can't wait for 2018. It's like a ball slowly rolling down from the top of a snowy mountain, and the GOP is 8,000ft below, bending over for it.

In the interim, welcome back predatory Trump U "schools," I'm sure you'll all have nothing but positive effects for the existing student loan crisis. Right?
 
Your opinion is 100% ridiculous. Catholics are the worst sect of Christianity, you're just living in a country that's pro-Catholic and any news outlet that reported the actual truth would get their asses reamed. The Vatican sponsored genocide in Rwanda in the 1990's (not under the watch of Francis, but hardly ancient history) and is now involved in ethnic cleansing in the CAR. And Vatican backed missionaries are doing the same in the Pacific. Educate yourself on what the Catholic church is REALLY doing (hint: you wont find the news on CNN or USA Today) and see if you still think they're tame.

What they do to the Italian media is pretty amazing.

As a secular humanist, I actually have grudging respect for the Jesuits and a number of nuns. It truly is a shame their church can't be run by those two groups. I've always felt the catholic need to repress female spirituality and station rather nauseating.

The higher levels of the church are a perverted bureaucracy, operating more like an opulent country or bank than a religious order. While peppered with pious and good individuals, unfortunately those types seem to have little effect on preventing horrible policy and behavior that emanates from church doors. Many priests and bishops still live like pashas and princes (although shame via social media has been taking a toll! Bravo!) and allegations of sexual abuse against 'men of the cloth' is still a regular item in the news, going strong decades now. The church paying off all those settlements or outright relocating accused priests to protect them speaks volumes. Hi George Pell!

I really don't care how much value people see in the church being a relevant force somehow, it's clearly not worth the toll they exact preying on children, promoting dangerous policies like no condoms in HIV saturated areas, or as you mentioned, their roll regarding flat out war crimes. It'll be a good day when humanity can shrug off that parasite.
 
Your opinion is 100% ridiculous. Catholics are the worst sect of Christianity, you're just living in a country that's pro-Catholic and any news outlet that reported the actual truth would get their asses reamed. The Vatican sponsored genocide in Rwanda in the 1990's (not under the watch of Francis, but hardly ancient history) and is now involved in ethnic cleansing in the CAR. And Vatican backed missionaries are doing the same in the Pacific. Educate yourself on what the Catholic church is REALLY doing (hint: you wont find the news on CNN or USA Today) and see if you still think they're tame.

I'm aware of the Catholic church's history, and some of what they are responsible for in Africa. I'm actually in Canada, and I was speaking to my personal experiences with followers of different religions. The Catholics I know here are supporting of gays, contraception, abortion, tolerant of other religions and do not bring their beliefs into their politics. I've met and work with a few latter day saints and jehovah types, they are complete whackos in comparison. Their religion overriding and ruling their positions on near everything. I've always taken this as due to the Catholic church having some structure and being more akin to a political organization with mandates carried out from the top, resulting in more of their followers being moderate, taking the more sane, cherry pick approach to their religion. The evangelicals to me seem far more fanatical, any loon can set themselves up as a 'preacher' and go out and spread volatile madness or prance around on the TV sweating like they're on a high dose of hydromorphone and speaking in tongues.

I find the evangelicals to be more fanatical, and more likely to be of the YEC variety of christian. I consider the YECs to be a real concern in the western world, as they represent a fundamental threat to human knowledge and progress with their desire to spread their madness.
 
The evangelicals to me seem far more fanatical, any loon can set themselves up as a 'preacher' and go out and spread volatile madness or prance around on the TV sweating like they're on a high dose of hydromorphone and speaking in tongues.

This really cracked me up. I have 5 years in the bible belt to my name, and 2 days ago a friend of mine had her gall bladder taken out.

Yeah I'll go along with that.
 
For context, I've read articles out of the US recently where evangelical GOP politicians have made statements like, not verbatim but exact sentiment : 'Climate change, even if real, is not a big deal because god will take care of it' or 'This part of the city has a violent crime problem, let's send in 'prayer groups' to pray away the problem on the street corners of these neighbourhoods.'

This is madness, plain and simple. That people actually think this way and expect these results will be delivered is dangerous, particularly elected officials making these claims. Take Trump, overwhelmingly supported by US evangelical fanatics, and how he is now pandering to their dogma and lighting a fire under their fanaticism. Using a narrative of conflict between their belief system and the threat of terrorism, the underlying dog whistle being Islam. This is creating the narrative of holy war, exactly what the jihadists are obsessed with. Trump is the antithesis of what the whole Christ message proselytizes as to how you should conduct yourself, yet evangelicals are on board with bells on. This example shows that this group's irrationality goes so far, even to the point they are not in tune to their own dogma. Conversely the Pope has as much as condemned many of Trump's actions openly with statements he has made, stopping short of using his name. To me this lack of clarity in the evangelicals represents rising fanaticism in the US, driven by evangelicals, stoked by Trump.

Consider Trump walks out one day and says he has nuked some nation, or that he is going to war against one place or another. He claims to have received this ordinance from divine inspiration. Bush came dangerously close to doing this openly with his invasion of Iraq, at this point I'd said the pump is primed for this to be done outright. These fanatics are already there, ready and willing to support the claim. They may not even believe it, but their hate and zealotry already has them ready to go down that road so long as it's the browns and their brown religion. Sound inconceivable? Maybe, but if your eyes are open and looking at how far things have degenerated under Trump in the US, it's plausible. Without some degree of public support, he would be impotent to act most likely.

Right now with a mentally unstable and detached from reality POTUS, as far as religious zealotry goes, the evangelicals backing Trump blindly - are potentially going to be complicit in more heinous war crimes than the Iraq war and their zealotry is dangerous. It has been only been about six months, I see him wanting a war to add to whatever perverted legacy of greatness he's deluded himself will be in the history books after he checks out. The man is 71 and morbidly obese, he's due for an MI. I believe all this is to him is a way to gain infamy, as he is as the point in life where he knows he'll most likely be dead within a decade, probably sooner given his age, obesity, poor diet and lack of exercise. I'd add stress of his current job, but it's hard to determine if he actually does anything or gives enough of a shit to be stressed over his responsibilities, it appears he mostly just shirks them and could care less.
 
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