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ondma

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Inflation, or rather prices, were absolutely an issue.

Immigration has been an issue forever, neither party wanted to address it, finally a bipartisan bill was proposed too late in the election cycle with zero incentive for the GOP to support it.

The gender stuff was just easy stuff to attack Dems with.

But really, the bill came due for inflation and the border, and someone had to pay.
Also add the Gaza and Ukraine conflicts, both of which are taking up resources and make people apprehensive that they might expand into wider conflict. I also think the Gaza conflict hurt Harris because a lot of Dems in the liberal wing supported Palestine, or at least disliked our strong support of Israel.
Inflation, I agree, definitely an issue. It was especially bad because from the late Obama presidency until covid hit, we were in an unprecedented period of growing real wages, low unemployment, lack of any major international conflict, and low interest rates. I dont hold Biden completely blameless. The stimulus packages passed by both him and Trump were needed, but obviously (in hindsight), pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that was shut down to a large extent was going to lead to inflation. The only thing I blame Biden and the Dems for is claiming inflation was a temporary problem when it obviously was not, and waiting too long to raise interest rates. And yes, I know the president does not set monetary policy directly, but he does appoint the chairman of the Federal Reserve, so one would assume he has considerable influence in setting policy. The old trick of the party out of power saying "Are you better off than 4 years ago" was very effective. Unfortunately nobody asked the real question "Would Trump have done any better?" Impossible to say, but most probably not.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Maybe I was right that over half the country is flat out stupid. I bet if these people were asked what a recession is, they would have the complete wrong answer. I think we need to teach some pre-economics classes in high school as a mandatory requirement.

And check this out!
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Ain’t that something? Some damn long-Covid there.

GQP disinformation running full-bore to keep the rubes perpetually stupid.
 
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brycejones

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Also add the Gaza and Ukraine conflicts, both of which are taking up resources and make people apprehensive that they might expand into wider conflict. I also think the Gaza conflict hurt Harris because a lot of Dems in the liberal wing supported Palestine, or at least disliked our strong support of Israel.
Inflation, I agree, definitely an issue. It was especially bad because from the late Obama presidency until covid hit, we were in an unprecedented period of growing real wages, low unemployment, lack of any major international conflict, and low interest rates. I dont hold Biden completely blameless. The stimulus packages passed by both him and Trump were needed, but obviously (in hindsight), pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that was shut down to a large extent was going to lead to inflation. The only thing I blame Biden and the Dems for is claiming inflation was a temporary problem when it obviously was not, and waiting too long to raise interest rates. And yes, I know the president does not set monetary policy directly, but he does appoint the chairman of the Federal Reserve, so one would assume he has considerable influence in setting policy. The old trick of the party out of power saying "Are you better off than 4 years ago" was very effective. Unfortunately nobody asked the real question "Would Trump have done any better?" Impossible to say, but most probably not.
What resources are Gaza and Ukraine taking up?
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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So you gonna take a 100 year step back .. Just means you gonna spend the next 100 years getting back to status quo. I guess. Who cares, time to do you :).
 

RalphTheCow

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So half the voters agreed that it is fine to have that idiot musk crash the economy. When what they wanted was a better economy. Amazing.
 

brycejones

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So half the voters agreed that it is fine to have that idiot musk crash the economy. When what they wanted was a better economy. Amazing.
Put your umbrella away, the wealth is going to trickle down so hard it's going to look like a yellow rainstorm. Just tell yourself it's really raining gold and isn't a golden shower.
 
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RalphTheCow

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So this election feels like getting dumped by a romantic partner. I wish I could say that never happened to me, but here we are.
 

IronWing

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Do you really think those two guys will dig into federal department intricacies? Nah...
Musk is the guy who fired over ten thousand people at Twitter without bothering to ask what they did. Musk fired Tesla's entire new products development staff because the division head pushed back on one of his dumb ideas. Musk ain't looking for nuance; he gets off on firing people. Given Trump's Apprentice fantasy about himself, he'll back whatever Musk coughs up.
 

Franz316

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I guess draining the swamp meant filling the government with billionaires and sycophants. Talk about allowing the wolf into hen house. The corruption of this administration is going to be other-worldly.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Dec 15, 2015
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I'm less concerned about Hegseth's hands, a little more worried about these two assholes entrenching corruption and making life hell for Federal employees.

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Both complete posers and morally broken cowards. The damage from these two alone is probably going to be felt for decades.
Has anyone else pointed out the fact that musk will be in charge of D.O.G.E?
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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For those who think racism/sexiam had nothing to do with Trump winning, take a look at this picture. A parade in a PA town. Truck decked out in Trump swag. Behind it a woman dressed like Kamala Harris being dragged around town in chains to be mocked.

Enough imagery for ya?

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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Look I'm not holding my breath for an honest job, but out of all the bad things coming our way...this seems slightly less bad than most.

Transparency! LOL

Oh, hey, isn't this the guy that held a poll asking if he should step down from Twitter, saying he'd honor the results, and then... didn't?
So half the voters agreed that it is fine to have that idiot musk crash the economy. When what they wanted was a better economy. Amazing.
Oh, it may be better for people who are capable of taking advantage of the downturn... not likely to be better for the fools that voted Trump in.
 

gothuevos

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Did you appreciate what Elon did to Twitter?
It runs fine and has the highest engagement ever.

Not an apples to apples comparison, obviously.

Plenty of stuff coming down the pipeline to criticize. This is not one of them IMO.

Man, Dems could have done something like this years ago and scored MAJOR points with people.
 
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It runs fine and has the highest engagement ever.

Not an apples to apples comparison, obviously.

Plenty of stuff coming down the pipeline to criticize. This is not one of them IMO.

Man, Dems could have done something like this years ago and scored MAJOR points with people.
"runs fine" and "highest engagement" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
 

VashHT

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I'm getting sick of people saying Harris lost because democrats were too mean to stupid people, the aftermath of the election with people realizing trump's plans are going to hurt them shows people really are that stupid. It all feels like bush getting elected a second time, I couldn't believe how collectively stupid this country was back then and it seems we've just gotten worse.
 

Muse

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Inflation, or rather prices, were absolutely an issue.

Immigration has been an issue forever, neither party wanted to address it, finally a bipartisan bill was proposed too late in the election cycle with zero incentive for the GOP to support it.

The gender stuff was just easy stuff to attack Dems with.

But really, the bill came due for inflation and the border, and someone had to pay.
I cannot comment on immigration, other than to say that Trump had the bipartisan immigration bill torpedoed and his blaming immigration for seemingly all national problems was absurd.

Gender issues are not worthy in choosing a POTUS.

Inflation wasn't the Biden administration's fault, it was a worldwide problem and the USA has done better/best in surviving it. It's currently tamed and Trump's proposed policies are certain to make inflation a huge issue ballooning forward.

The American who votes Trump because of their anger about prices is shooting his/her self.
 

dainthomas

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Dec 7, 2004
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Yeah, when I saw that today I just went WTF. Shows you how out of touch Trump really is. Fox News host for Secretary of Defense! Unbelievable.

My worst fear was it was gonna be actual Russian agent Flynn. So it's least it's not that, but the bar is so low anyone would exceed it.