Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[Jaskalas]

Whether it is politically convenient or not is irrelevant. It is true.

Questions of context and full or partial story aside....
While the truth has a time and a place. Politics and campaigns are NOT it. Clearly. Unequivocally, especially now.

This is a post-COVID world. Inflation bit us. What CHANGES from the Biden admin will we make?
It was crickets, right? No change, the message was more of the same. Which, to the public, probably read as more inflation. More pain.
So in their head, a Democrat campaign in 20204 was apparently RUN THE OTHER WAY NOW!!!!

Granted, that did not apply to a large number of people. But it DID apply to a large number who were capable of swinging and deciding the election. Which is what really matters to a campaign. So I believe if the campaign is thinking logically and rationally, they ain't campaigning. Gotta sling shit, and I didn't notice much of anything smelly or catchy originating from Dems. A missed opportunity to fight like hell.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yup, I agree.
Democrats don’t use their power effectively

Sometimes, they care too much about some drawn out process. Look at how permitting issues stand in the way of climate change projects. Should have taken up Joe Manchin's deal for permitting reform instead of quibbling about one extra pipeline. If we're going to do stuff, the outcomes (when possible) need to start happening closer to the law being passed, or the things become disconnected in the public's mind.

 

[gothuevos]

Yeah I'm inclined to think anybody at the top of the ticket would have still been saddled with a large part of the blame voters were looking to dispense.

Why didn't this blame come in 2022?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Why didn't this blame come in 2022?

Trump wasn't running in 2022, the plebes didn't have their fascist to vote for.

 

[gothuevos]

Guess they will likely have a trifecta after all.

Again, Democrats are not our friends. Twice now they lost to Trump, handing him a trifecta both times. Embarrassing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4977133-house-majority-battle-republicans/

 

[WilliamM2]

I'm still slightly hopeful the Dems will gain control of the house.

From looking at the presidential numbers, it appears 18,500,000 fewer people voted this election? I thought they had record new voter registrations.
I know there are still ballots to count, but that many? That could change the outcome.

 

[Jaskalas]

Whitmer and Shapiro know how to win tough elections in the rust belt and wouldn't have had Biden's stink on them. There is no way Harris would have won a primary, which is why they waited until the last minute and installed her instead. She was a loser in the 2020 primaries and would have been one in the 2024 primaries too, but instead the DNC thought they were better off with a loser in the general election.

Biden made a series of choices that forced our hand.
No one else "thought they were better off" by the hand we were dealt by Biden.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'm still slightly hopeful the Dems will gain control of the house.

From looking at the presidential numbers, it appears 18,500,000 fewer people voted this election? I thought they had record new voter registrations.
I know there are still ballots to count, but that many? That could change the outcome.

Too many states are locked in to change the pres, but yes the house could still technically go to dems (though I find it unlikely). And yeah, voter turnout apparently wasn't at an all time high, despite the registrations. No idea wtf happened there.

 

[Jaskalas]

Guess they will likely have a trifecta after all.

Again, Democrats are not our friends. Twice now they lost to Trump, handing him a trifecta both times. Embarrassing.

The hell is that?
As someone that falls FAR from party line. I can absolutely state that Democrats are the best choice.
Winning or losing does not alter who needs to be voted for.

 

[linkgoron]

I'm still slightly hopeful the Dems will gain control of the house.

From looking at the presidential numbers, it appears 18,500,000 fewer people voted this election? I thought they had record new voter registrations.
I know there are still ballots to count, but that many? That could change the outcome.

There's no reason to believe that Dems will have control of the house. I assume that there will be a few more million votes in California and NY but it won't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

Dems have been rejected almost across the board. Really, Biden put them in a bad spot and Harris did the best that she could but it just wasn't enough. I think that it would have been much worse with Biden on the ticket.

 

[manly]

I'm still slightly hopeful the Dems will gain control of the house.

From looking at the presidential numbers, it appears 18,500,000 fewer people voted this election? I thought they had record new voter registrations.
I know there are still ballots to count, but that many? That could change the outcome.

There are millions of mail-in ballots in California, and they take many days to count.

We don't know what turnout is like until CA certifies its count, which will be a while. I'm guessing that it will be a lower % than 2020, but with population growth, the total numbers could be higher.

Not sure what you mean by change the outcome. However many ballots remain to be counted in CA will not affect PA or WI, which sealed the win early this morning. Trump is highly likely to sweep all 7 battlegrounds, which means he's only going to increase his EC total.
Note that the election was called by the media not because of official certified counts, but because Trump's lead in GA/PA/WI cannot be flipped.

 

[Franz316]

House is leaning 90% towards Rep right now so it'll be a clean sweep and unmitigated power to the most insane man in the world. Buckle up.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

There are millions of mail-in ballots in California, and they take many days to count.

We don't know what turnout is like until CA certifies its count, which will be a while. I'm guessing that it will be a lower % than 2020, but with population growth, the total numbers could be higher.

Not sure what you mean by change the outcome. However many ballots remain to be counted in CA will not affect PA or WI, which sealed the win early this morning. Trump is highly likely to sweep all 7 battlegrounds, which means he's only going to increase his EC total.

Hell several of those don't even look like battlegrounds anymore, FL is up 13. That's in swiping range of SC and TX.

 

[linkgoron]

Questions of context and full or partial story aside....
While the truth has a time and a place. Politics and campaigns are NOT it. Clearly. Unequivocally, especially now.

This is a post-COVID world. Inflation bit us. What CHANGES from the Biden admin will we make?
It was crickets, right? No change, the message was more of the same. Which, to the public, probably read as more inflation. More pain.
So in their head, a Democrat campaign in 20204 was apparently RUN THE OTHER WAY NOW!!!!

Too much in 2024 was similar to 2016 - running on a campaign that said that Trump was a POS, racist, conman etc. Harris, as VP, just couldn't distance herself enough from the current administration, and any criticisms against the administration would have either looked like she was shitting on Biden, or incompetent that she let those things happen as part of the administration .

Granted, that did not apply to a large number of people. But it DID apply to a large number who were capable of swinging and deciding the election. Which is what really matters to a campaign. So I believe if the campaign is thinking logically and rationally, they ain't campaigning. Gotta sling shit, and I didn't notice much of anything smelly or catchy originating from Dems. A missed opportunity to fight like hell.

Biden already barely won in 2020, and had terrible approval ratings during most of his presidency, and Harris's approval ratings were even lower than his. It was always going to be an uphill battle.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh I wasn't speaking of candidates there.
But policy. And how we need to campaign less on "The economy is GREAT, you are doing GREAT!" and focus messaging more on the propaganda side.

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh I wasn't speaking of candidates there.
But policy. And how we need to campaign less on "The economy is GREAT, you are doing GREAT!" and focus messaging more on the propaganda side.

Outright lying seems to work just fine for most of these fools anymore. I guess we just need to lie like the best of them.

 

[manly]

Hell several of those don't even look like battlegrounds anymore, FL is up 13. That's in swiping range of SC and TX.

FL was a battleground in 2018, but it's changed a lot since. Nobody considered it a battleground after the 2020 debacle, and it's only gotten redder since.

Demographically, TX could become a swing state within a decade or two; but seeing their electoral history, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Brainonska511]

Biden already barely won in 2020, and had terrible approval ratings during most of his presidency, and Harris's approval ratings were even lower than his. It was always going to be an uphill battle.

Biden's approval only really tanked when he did the correct thing that everyone kept claiming they wanted: getting us out of Afghanistan. The lesson is these forever wars are never going to end. If you give people what they want and they don't show up, the lesson is to not do those things.

And don't even get me started on the media. Traditional media isn't quite as important as the bubble, algorithm driven fantasy land many live in, but it still trickles through, and it has done a horrible job reporting and framing issues for the past 4 years.

 

[K1052]

Biden's approval only really tanked when he did the correct thing that everyone kept claiming they wanted: getting us out of Afghanistan. The lesson is these forever wars are never going to end. If you give people what they want and they don't show up, the lesson is to not do those things.

And don't even get me started on the media. Traditional media isn't quite as important as the bubble, algorithm driven fantasy land many live in, but it still trickles through, and it has done a horrible job reporting and framing issues for the past 4 years.

Americans demand change but when it arrives it is always "Not like that!".
Basically the electorate is full of shit.

What Trump is poised to try is orders of magnitude more disruptive and I can guess how voters are going to react (even though he definitely told them).

As for the media landscape the left needs to copy-paste their own version of the conservative ecosystem. It would be a better use of donor money to be sure.

 

[hal2kilo]

Small victories. I guess my $50 bucks to Tammy worked. I just wished she had acknowledged that I checked the box not to be dunned anymore. I was almost starting to curse her name due to the amount of email that kept coming in up to the very last moment. She did sent me one last email and thanked me and announced she had won.

 

[linkgoron]

Biden's approval only really tanked when he did the correct thing that everyone kept claiming they wanted: getting us out of Afghanistan. The lesson is these forever wars are never going to end. If you give people what they want and they don't show up, the lesson is to not do those things.

IIRC it was a Trump decision that was kind of forced on Biden, but the execution was bad.

And don't even get me started on the media. Traditional media isn't quite as important as the bubble, algorithm driven fantasy land many live in, but it still trickles through, and it has done a horrible job reporting and framing issues for the past 4 years.

Media gets what it wants with 4 more years of Trump.

 

[K1052]

oh man a lot of people are gonna get to find out (some again) what happens when they buy a Trump product

 

[Fanatical Meat]

oh man a lot of people are gonna get to find out (some again) what happens when they buy a Trump product


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This gets filed with all those other unbelievable posts from MAGA folks.
I’ll file this in the tell me about something that didn’t happen bin.

 

[jdubs03]

oh man a lot of people are gonna get to find out (some again) what happens when they buy a Trump product


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What college here? Dumb Fuck University?

 

[QueBert]

Americans demand change but when it arrives it is always "Not like that!".
Basically the electorate is full of shit.

What Trump is poised to try is orders of magnitude more disruptive and I can guess how voters are going to react (even though he definitely told them).

As for the media landscape the left needs to copy-paste their own version of the conservative ecosystem. It would be a better use of donor money to be sure.

Anything bad that happens in the next 4 years, his cult will blame Biden for something he did while in office, or it's the Dems cockblocking him out of revenge. No matter how big of a shitstorm the next 4 years are, 100% not Trump's fault. And if he accomplishes nothing similar to 2016, they'll still cheer "greatest president ever!" While I'm biased, I also have common sense, far beyond me not liking him I see that pretty much every single person who worked for him his 1st go 'round either doesn't support him, or is on a mission to speak out about how he's a terrible human being who's completely unfit to be president. Nobody who was close to him has anything good to say about him. Dick fuckin Cheney doesn't support him. That guy's as GOP as they come. How MAGAs aren't concerned at all that nobody from Trumps circle supported him is crazy. And they're fine with him wanting to go after and throw people in jail who, Heaven forbid wanted to seek justice against a criminal.

I believe in God, but it's hard to right now because Trump uses God so much in his bullshit to pull the MAGAs in deeper. And what happens? He got rewarded by winning the election which all but eliminated his legal worries. It's hard for me to fathom how God would allow Trump's fuckery to continue forever, but he apparently can do whatever the hell he wants.