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He will pass unchecked power to his successors; it's heritage foundation running this nation until this nation exists no more.
He gives zero fucks about them and they will learn that when the day comes. He will try to give it to one of his Sons but they won’t have the charisma to maintain it unless we become a NK style police state.
 
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Well Trump did say that once he deports millions of people that will free up the housing they are living in.

Not sure how many native born Americans want to live in those places though.
Americans will find all sorts of things to blame and do before they do the one thing that would actually lower housing costs: building substantially more.
 

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Americans will find all sorts of things to blame and do before they do the one thing that would actually lower housing costs: building substantially more.
But then their home will go down in value due to the increase in supply, and we can't have that.
 

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He gives zero fucks about them and they will learn that when the day comes. He will try to give it to one of his Sons but they won’t have the charisma to maintain it unless we become a NK style police state.
He doesn't need to care nor do anything. There are no more elections. His failsons don't need charisma. Did North Korea die with Kim Il Sung? How about with Kim Jong Il? Will it die with Kim Jong Un? Yeah I doubt it. The whole point was to win elections and keep him out of power until he died because no other outright nazi has the charisma to win an election. This last year has just been watching a slow motion train wreck evolve, knowing exactly what was coming once the democrats decided to not have a primary to pick a leader with a shot to beat Trump.
 
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He doesn't need to care nor do anything. There are no more elections. His failsons don't need charisma. Did North Korea die with Kim Il Sung? How about with Kim Jong Il? Will it die with Kim Jong Un? Yeah I doubt it. The whole point was to win elections and keep him out of power until he died because no other outright nazi has the charisma to win an election. This last year has just been watching a slow motion train wreck knowing exactly what was coming once the democrats decided to not have a primary to pick a leader with a shot to beat Trump.
That’s a totally different nightmare scenario and yes I agree it is possible, I don’t agree that it’s a definite.
 
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But then their home will go down in value due to the increase in supply, and we can't have that.

We can go around it though by increasing the for rent supply drastically. Homeowners who want to sell would even make out on it getting top dollar for somebody to build out apartments on their land.
 
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Honestly Biden and our feckless AG should have been calling large companies particularly food producers in to talk to them. The talk would be why are your profits at record highs? Why will you not support the consumer with lower prices. Then let it sit and if nothing happens investigate the shot out of them.
 

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That’s a totally different nightmare scenario and yes I agree it is possible, I don’t agree that it’s a definite.
That's not a different scenario. That's the scenario that takes place in January. Get the fuck out of America if you can before the borders are closed like they were in Nazi Germany, North Korea, the Soviet Union, etc.
 
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We can go around it though by increasing the for rent supply drastically. Homeowners who want to sell would even make out on it getting top dollar for somebody to build out apartments on their land.
The NIMBYs would use their influence to shut that shit down ASAP.
 

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Honestly Biden and our feckless AG should have been calling large companies particularly food producers in to talk to them. The talk would be why are your profits at record highs? Why will you not support the consumer with lower prices. Then let it sit and if nothing happens investigate the shot out of them.
You don't ask nicely. You break them up for being a cartel. But Biden's a liberal, he believes in this capitalist horseshit. Well, he believed in it when he was of sound mind and body.
 
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He doesn't need to care nor do anything. There are no more elections. His failsons don't need charisma. Did North Korea die with Kim Il Sung? How about with Kim Jong Il? Will it die with Kim Jong Un? Yeah I doubt it. The whole point was to win elections and keep him out of power until he died because no other outright nazi has the charisma to win an election. This last year has just been watching a slow motion train wreck evolve, knowing exactly what was coming once the democrats decided to not have a primary to pick a leader with a shot to beat Trump.
I agree, Biden should have bowed out of the race before the Dem primary. That said, I think it is highly unlikely that another candidate could have gotten the nomination over the sitting VP. Perhaps winning the primary would have given Kamala more legitimacy, but I dont think the way she got the nomination really had much effect. She was just too closely associated with the perceived failures of Biden, and could not distance herself effectively from them. Besides, I dont really know who the Dems would have nominated that would have been an outstanding candidate. Mayor Pete comes to mind, but I dont think the country is ready for a gay president.
 
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I agree, Biden should have bowed out of the race before the Dem primary. That said, I think it is highly unlikely that another candidate could have gotten the nomination over the sitting VP. Perhaps winning the primary would have given Kamala more legitimacy, but I dont think the way she got the nomination really had much effect. She was just too closely associated with the perceived failures of Biden, and could not distance herself effectively from them. Besides, I dont really know who the Dems would have nominated that would have been an outstanding candidate. Mayor Pete comes to mind, but I dont think the country is ready for a gay president.
I don't see how having someone outside of the administration would have faired any better. They would still be a Democratic Party member, and they'd face the same problem: your party is the same one as the White House, which median voter is mad about for [insert whatever real or imagined reason].
 

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I agree, Biden should have bowed out of the race before the Dem primary. That said, I think it is highly unlikely that another candidate could have gotten the nomination over the sitting VP. Perhaps winning the primary would have given Kamala more legitimacy, but I dont think the way she got the nomination really had much effect. She was just too closely associated with the perceived failures of Biden, and could not distance herself effectively from them. Besides, I dont really know who the Dems would have nominated that would have been an outstanding candidate. Mayor Pete comes to mind, but I dont think the country is ready for a gay president.
Kamala would not have won a normal, contested primary. In 2020, she dropped out before the Iowa caucus.
Assuming she somehow won a primary, it doesn't seem all that likely to have helped her in the general election. She was our candidate and I gladly voted for her, but she wasn't our best option.*

As for Buttigieg, I think he's got a better chance than any Black woman.

* I hate to be right on this, but I said over two years ago we would lose with her at the top of the ticket. Others here have concurred (paging SteveGrabowski), during the campaign and when Biden was still our guy.

 

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I don't see how having someone outside of the administration would have faired any better. They would still be a Democratic Party member, and they'd face the same problem: your party is the same one as the White House, which median voter is mad about for [insert whatever real or imagined reason].

Yeah I'm inclined to think anybody at the top of the ticket would have still been saddled with a large part of the blame voters were looking to dispense.
 

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Honestly Biden and our feckless AG should have been calling large companies particularly food producers in to talk to them. The talk would be why are your profits at record highs? Why will you not support the consumer with lower prices. Then let it sit and if nothing happens investigate the shot out of them.
What's the point in that? Trump will just reverse anything that's done.
 
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Yeah I'm inclined to think anybody at the top of the ticket would have still been saddled with a large part of the blame voters were looking to dispense.
I'm gonna disagree with you and @Brainonska511 . Harris is the Veep, and so she's essentially the incumbent candidate. OTOH Shapiro or Buttigieg wouldn't carry quite that same baggage.

Add to this that Kamala Harris a Black woman that triggers some folks racism and misogyny, and you get a recipe for losing the national popular vote. That's an absolute debacle and I can't sit here and say any alternative would have performed just the same. Going 0/7 in the battlegrounds? Yesterday was a fucken nightmare, combining the worst of 2016 and 2006.

Having said that, Joe Biden was sunk so I endorsed his quitting the race at the 11th hour. Given the terrible timing (thanks Joe!), I accepted then and now that Harris was our gal. Unfortunately it blew up in our faces, and we'll seemingly live with the consequences for a long time.

We also got spanked in the Senate races, so you're right that voters decided to punish the Dems as a whole. It wasn't strictly a Kamala Harris problem.
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Maybe I'll take that last part back. Looks like we'll win some of these Senate seats by just a hair, in states that Harris lost or is losing in. So she seemingly dragged other Dems down with her, but a few of them might survive. (Slotkin took a narrow lead, Rosen trails but I see enough votes remaining in Clark County. And Kari Lake is still within striking distance FFS.)
 
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I agree, Biden should have bowed out of the race before the Dem primary. That said, I think it is highly unlikely that another candidate could have gotten the nomination over the sitting VP. Perhaps winning the primary would have given Kamala more legitimacy, but I dont think the way she got the nomination really had much effect. She was just too closely associated with the perceived failures of Biden, and could not distance herself effectively from them. Besides, I dont really know who the Dems would have nominated that would have been an outstanding candidate. Mayor Pete comes to mind, but I dont think the country is ready for a gay president.
Whitmer and Shapiro know how to win tough elections in the rust belt and wouldn't have had Biden's stink on them. There is no way Harris would have won a primary, which is why they waited until the last minute and installed her instead. She was a loser in the 2020 primaries and would have been one in the 2024 primaries too, but instead the DNC thought they were better off with a loser in the general election.
 
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Apparently since Americans love a strongman so much, Biden should have just had the secret service arrest trump and toss him in gitmo as soon as the courts decided not to sentence him. 'Nobody is above the law, i'd expect the same done to me, rah rah america' etc.
Yup, I agree.
Democrats don’t use their power effectively