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[DarthKyrie]

Supply and demand. If the farmer is only paying $5/hr, it's no surprise no one wants to work for that.
Keep raising the wages and benefits until there is a supply of workers.

But then people will bitch that their produce costs too much.

 

[WelshBloke]

Supply and demand. If the farmer is only paying $5/hr, it's no surprise no one wants to work for that.
Keep raising the wages and benefits until there is a supply of workers.

Well it would have had to have been minimum wage. Which was probably about $12 back in 2020.
I get that supply and demand happens but there's a point where growing cabbage becomes unsustainable because how much can you sell a cabbage for?!

 

[Jaskalas]

The median American is vastly better off today than they were in 1980.

FRED data on real median household income only goes back to 1984 but in constant 2023 dollars median household income in 1984 was ~$58k while it is ~$80k today.

You making an argument for the prevailing Republican economics of the past 40 years?
That data point feels cherry picked, to focus on income in. Income out is rather critical, such as housing and healthcare costs.
There have been endless articles these past 10-20 years that decry the loss of the Middle Class. The crushing weight felt by the working class.

Is it all for naught, do we all have massive savings / retirement accounts and not know it?
While I consider if your reply is an accurate part of the story, I do not entertain the idea that it is the whole story.
For the message flies in the face of everything I have ever known.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You making an argument for the prevailing Republican economics of the past 40 years?
That data point feels cherry picked, to focus on income in. Income out is rather critical, such as housing and healthcare costs.
There have been endless articles these past 10-20 years that decry the loss of the Middle Class. The crushing weight felt by the working class.

Is it all for naught, do we all have massive savings / retirement accounts and not know it?
While I consider if your reply is an accurate part of the story, I do not entertain the idea that it is the whole story.
For the message flies in the face of everything I have ever known.

What kind of policies have generated massive income inequality over the last 50 years? Why hasn't minimum wage kept pace with inflation (let alone GDP)?

 

[gothuevos]

So much for young people and abortion carrying the day.

Democratic party is dead.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854172606318166315

 

[fskimospy]

Supply and demand. If the farmer is only paying $5/hr, it's no surprise no one wants to work for that.
Keep raising the wages and benefits until there is a supply of workers.

If we deport all our farm workers it will be interesting to watch food prices go through the roof.

 

[ch33zw1z]

They tried it in Georgia back in 2013 I believe. The trial run failed miserably so of course the Reich wanted to try it nationwide and take their chances.

Let’s get it on!

 

[fskimospy]

So much for young people and abortion carrying the day.

Democratic party is dead.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854172606318166315

Looks like that’s based off exit polls, which are not designed to determine this. Whoever wrote that is dumb.

 

[hal2kilo]

You are correct that people view themselves in relation to others, yes. Certainly are plenty of people who would rather make $75k and be the richest guy in town than make $100k and be the poorest.

Doesn’t change the fact that the median American is way better off. It’s like when people have nostalgia for the 50’s. Life in 59’s America was WAY worse than it is today.

Yea, never had my own new clothes (brother's hand me downs) except for shoes until I got to be about 10 or so. My kids never had to put up with that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If we deport all our farm workers it will be interesting to watch food prices go through the roof.

But then people will bitch that their produce costs too much.

absolutely, but Americans can’t see past their hate and connect those dots

 

[fskimospy]

You making an argument for the prevailing Republican economics of the past 40 years?
That data point feels cherry picked, to focus on income in. Income out is rather critical, such as housing and healthcare costs.
There have been endless articles these past 10-20 years that decry the loss of the Middle Class. The crushing weight felt by the working class.

Is it all for naught, do we all have massive savings / retirement accounts and not know it?
While I consider if your reply is an accurate part of the story, I do not entertain the idea that it is the whole story.
For the message flies in the face of everything I have ever known.

This is real income so inflation is accounted for.

Because it happens gradually people don’t notice but I know when I think back to my childhood people are WAY better off than they were then and I lived in a middle class neighborhood.

 

[WelshBloke]

You are correct that people view themselves in relation to others, yes. Certainly are plenty of people who would rather make $75k and be the richest guy in town than make $100k and be the poorest.

Doesn’t change the fact that the median American is way better off. It’s like when people have nostalgia for the 50’s. Life in 59’s America was WAY worse than it is today.

It's about exclusion and having a stake in the nation though.
If you are being left behind, feeling undervalued and generally getting shat on then why would you care about what's best for the country when the country doesn't care about you?
There's supposed to be a mutually beneficial relationship between the state and it's citizenship. It's what glues a nation together.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is real income so inflation is accounted for.

Because it happens gradually people don’t notice but I know when I think back to my childhood people are WAY better off than they were then and I lived in a middle class neighborhood.

When we say better off, what are we actually saying? Like, have more stuff? Access to services? Just curious

 

[DarthKyrie]

It's about exclusion and having a stake in the nation though.
If you are being left behind, feeling undervalued and generally getting shat on then why would you care about what's best for the country when the country doesn't care about you?
There's supposed to be a mutually beneficial relationship between the state and it's citizenship. It's what glues a nation together.

The Reich broke that years ago when they dismantled the New Deal.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Only if he dies before Jan. 20, 2029.

Meh, you're going to learn

 

[fskimospy]

When we say better off, what are we actually saying? Like, have more stuff? Access to services? Just curious

Have more total income so the median American can afford more goods and services than they used to. (About 40% more than in 1980)

 

[thilanliyan]

The median American is vastly better off today than they were in 1980.

FRED data on real median household income only goes back to 1984 but in constant 2023 dollars median household income in 1984 was ~$58k while it is ~$80k today.

This is just income or includes deductions for housing, food, transport, etc? (ie. stuff costs more now than in 1984)

 

[fskimospy]

It's about exclusion and having a stake in the nation though.
If you are being left behind, feeling undervalued and generally getting shat on then why would you care about what's best for the country when the country doesn't care about you?
There's supposed to be a mutually beneficial relationship between the state and it's citizenship. It's what glues a nation together.

Seems like the relationship since 1980 has been pretty beneficial for the median American.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

He can't decree a constitutional amendment. What part of that can't you understand. He can be prevented from being prosecuted, BFD.

He can go shoot the house minority leader in the face if a bill he wants passed gets held up. Though he won't do that, he'll just jail him and kill him later. I wish I could be naive enough to believe the believe the republic will survive. But then I would have probably been naive enough to think Harris was the right candidate too.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Have more total income so the median American can afford more goods and services than they used to. (About 40% more than in 1980)

Ok, so our buying power has increased? Does the offshoring of manufacturing come into play here?

 

[fskimospy]

This is just income or includes deductions for housing, food, transport, etc?

It is income after accounting for inflation so yes, all of that is included.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The median American is vastly better off today than they were in 1980.

FRED data on real median household income only goes back to 1984 but in constant 2023 dollars median household income in 1984 was ~$58k while it is ~$80k today.

Keep beating that drum, it resonated so well the last month

 

[fskimospy]

Ok, so our buying power has increased? Does the offshoring of manufacturing come into play here?

Definitely - free trade makes goods cheaper and therefore reduces inflation.

But yes, the median American has a lot more buying power today than in 1980.

 

[WelshBloke]

Have more total income so the median American can afford more goods and services than they used to. (About 40% more than in 1980)

I don't think that the "you've never had it so good, stop complaining" argument has ever worked when addressing inequality!

 

[fskimospy]

Keep beating that drum, it resonated so well the last month

Whether it is politically convenient or not is irrelevant. It is true.