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K1052

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It's interesting because ever since Roe, all the talk was about how "women are going to punish Trump," but if these recent numbers regarding men (and especially minority men) are true, it's looking more like "men are going to punish Kamala."

Trump lost in 2020, Rs majorly underperformed in 2022, and every state ballot initiative on abortion this year is above or way above passing threshold.

If I was the Trump campaign I probably would not be crowing about trading more reliable voters for less reliable voters. Women consistently outvote men especially in a presidential cycle.
 

nakedfrog

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But haven't they now abandoned both?
Well, social conservatism is alive and well, and they're working hard to conserve America's fascist past (don't forget we had plenty of Nazi supporting Americans leading up to WWII, they didn't all just disappear). It's only fiscal conservatism that's been tossed aside in the interest of enrichment.
I've had it with the radical far leftist bernie bro type folks this election and the dumb as fuck gaza is the only issue that matters kids.

The only far leftists I know of that aren't willing to vote Harris are accelerationists and probably won't be voting anyway. The others are pointing out the high cost of life that would result from that, and the risk that exposes the accelerationists to, but it's not much different than trying to convince a die-hard adrenochrome lizard people Trump supporter that actually Trump isn't looking out for them.
I have long believed that winning the 2020 election resulted in Biden getting stuck holding the bag for the pandemic. It was a feeling of despair watching us gain just enough power to be held responsible while not having enough power to do anything truly good or consequential to help the American people.
Not a fan of the infrastructure bill? That seems truly good and consequential to me, but what do I know?  ̄\_(シ)_/ ̄
 
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Outside of the government supplied data, people still see high prices for energy and groceries. They see it everyday. Sure inflation is down so the rate of rise of prices is cooled - great, but people are still paying high prices. I'm not even blaming this on Democrats, it's just the reality right now. Like @Jaskalas said, they got caught holding the bag. The majority of voters won't see past that, they don't have the time/bandwidth for major economic nuances.

Maybe I should post this in the conspiracies thread...but I find it odd all these drilling permits the Biden admin authorized remain unfulfilled? Some collusion between these energy companies and Trump, so that when he is re-elected they all jump onboard and ramp up drilling? Yeah we're already producing a ton of energy but imagine if all the unused permits are now utilized. If there is an even bigger surplus of energy that could be the only driving force to (modestly) bring down some costs.
I've posted several times in the last year or so about that. I've done line by line comparisons to receipts from grocery stores recent to several years ago, maybe ten years or so, I forget now. I've shown in detail that there are no significant price increases on the items I've bought.

Are some prices up at some stores? Yes. The CEO of Kroger recently admitted they raised prices far beyond what their cost increases were. Without them even making that statement, I know Kroger is overpriced and I don't shop there.

I've stated egg prices are up, and the reason for it ... bird flu wiping out flocks.

What prices are up, have nothing to do with where people want to place the blame.
 
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I've posted several times in the last year or so about that. I've done line by line comparisons to receipts from grocery stores recent to several years ago, maybe ten years or so, I forget now. I've shown in detail that there are no significant price increases on the items I've bought.

Are some prices up at some stores? Yes. The CEO of Kroger recently admitted they raised prices far beyond what their cost increases were.

I've stated egg prices are up, and the reason for it ... bird flu wiping out flocks.

What prices are up, have nothing to do with where people want to place the blame.
Have the sizes gotten smaller?

You know that's a thing right? Keep the price point the same, reduce the size?
 
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Have the sizes gotten smaller?

You know that's a thing right? Keep the price point the same, reduce the size?
He's like the ONLY guy in America making the claim that grocery prices are largely unchanged vs 10 years ago.
Obviously with hundreds of various items that people buy, some things he buys may not have moved much.

But the idea that prices overall have been static over a decade is absolutely preposterous. Sorry I don't have 10-year-old grocery receipts to prove otherwise.

Needless to say, if aggregate core inflation since 2020 was indeed 0%, the BLS would be yelling at the top of their lungs about it every month.
 

Jaskalas

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Not a fan of the infrastructure bill? That seems truly good and consequential to me, but what do I know?  ̄\_(シ)_/ ̄
Had to look that up to remember it existed.

When politics is being discussed, is that even a subject? Paying to maintain roads, etc... is just basic maintenance of America as it already is. That may be a vast improvement over doing nothing, but maintaining the status quo in a mire of misery is not a win with voters. Fact that it was a bipartisan bill only proves one thing. It was a neutral move. Now... if somebody ran a campaign that focused on this bill. On the benefits of at least maintaining America, that might get you somewhere. Crowing over whatever jobs or improvements it made. That's something you can use. You would want to target the funding and your message in swing states.

But elections are often about bigger issues with more of a divisive reaction. You are not going to score any major win for the American people if a bill has or requires Republican votes. Whether it comes to welfare, healthcare, housing, immigration, abortion, etc. These are not bipartisan issues. Republicans stand firmly against helping the American people. Anything that truly moves the needle is not going to be bipartisan.
 

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Probably should note that Trump's plan to reduce grocery prices is to kick out much of the AG industry's workforce and to tariff non domestically producible foods like coffee and bananas at 100% or more.

That should work great.
 
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I don't get the Detroit dig. The city is doing quite well. Tons of new building projects, population is turning around. Crime is down overall.

We should want the country to do as well.
 

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It feels extremely red here in bucks county. But we have a trump fluffer who owns a huge gym here that has been handing out trump signs to anyone who wants one and paying to put the huge ones on highly visible houses at busy intersections. also been noticing that harris signs have been getting stolen off people's lawns alot. My voting booth went for hillary by 30 votes and biden by a few hundred.
Is all this stuff being widely publicized? If so, it should motivate conscientious people to vote BLUE!
 

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I think one of the post-mortems of her campaign will reveal she had a Hilary problem - just not likeable enough. Is some of it misogyny? Maybe, but if that's the case, and in 2024 the country is not yet ready to elect a female president (and the Dem party knows this), then why push a flawed candidate that can't win? It's just utter malfeasance.
You are bloody trolling. Who the fuck is not flawed? The flaws in Trump make him look indistinguishable from roadkill.
 
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I don't get the Detroit dig. The city is doing quite well. Tons of new building projects, population is turning around. Crime is down overall.

We should want the country to do as well.
That’s his whole shtick. Put others down to make himself feel better/try to gain politically from it. Classic bully behavior. Childish behavior.
 

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I don't get the Detroit dig. The city is doing quite well. Tons of new building projects, population is turning around. Crime is down overall.

We should want the country to do as well.
Trump watches TV and RW media. He's not exactly aware of the issues. He's the idol of the confused.
 
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Not noticeably no.


I just got almost two dozen cans of Campbell's Tomato soup, the usual 10.75 ounce cans for .69 each.
So I guess I'm just seeing things when mayo is $6/jar, ground beef is $7.50/lb, chicken breasts are $12.50/lb, iceberg 'crunchy water' lettuce is $3 a head, and freaking blueberries are like $1/oz? All in my head yeah?
 
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$7.49 here for 80/20 in a 1 lb package too, at Safeway. $6.79 at Fred Meyer. Looks like a 3lb pack is on sale for $14.97 though.
'Bout that too for bulk, so I guess you can freeze and eat shittier meat later. We all do definitely remember 99c/lb ground beef though right? And I'm sure everyone's salaries have increased 7-fold to keep up, right?