blackangst1
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What makes you think those 25M even WANT insurance?So we can cover the remaining 8%(approximately 25M people) by moving to a more efficient single payer system. Seems like a good deal to me.
What makes you think those 25M even WANT insurance?So we can cover the remaining 8%(approximately 25M people) by moving to a more efficient single payer system. Seems like a good deal to me.
Unless they can be denied heath care for inability to pay when (not if) they need health care, then any of those who don't 'want' insurance are simply ripping off the rest of us who do pay for insurance.What makes you think those 25M even WANT insurance?
I agree our system isn’t really allowed to be as competitive as it should, not nearly as much. But competition isn’t the reason our system is so expensive as someone implied earlier, there’s other structural problems that hamper it.
More government and less competition is never the solution for anything.
What makes you think those 25M even WANT insurance?
Unless they can be denied heath care for inability to pay when (not if) they need health care, then any of those who don't 'want' insurance are simply ripping off the rest of us who do pay for insurance.
Wait. You think everyone wants insurance?Derp
Yes people want to be uninsured and not get the health care they need.
Please show some evidence that those 25 million don’t want coverage.
Wait. You think everyone wants insurance?
Yes, nearly everyone wants insurance. They show this in their actions even if they say otherwise. When they get sick or injured they go to the ER even if they can't pay for it. The proof is in the pudding as they say.Wait. You think everyone wants insurance?
Wait. You think everyone wants insurance?
Wait. You think everyone wants insurance?
Of the uninsured population there are definitely some people that don't want insurance and some people that would like insurance but can't afford it.
The problem is that these uninsured people still use the healthcare system and when they do it ends up being far more expensive. Everyone having insurance is good for the entire group. Costs will be lower for the system as a whole and then everyone can get the care that they need.
I don't understand why requiring everyone to have health insurance is that different than requiring everyone to have auto insurance if they drive.
The theoretical argument is that you can elect not to purchase auto insurance by not driving a car while you can't elect to not be alive. (no, I don't think suicide counts in this case)
I do not find this to be a compelling argument in the slightest.
I understand that argument but I think it fails because even uninsured people still use the healthcare system. The number of people that use absolutely no healthcare their entire life is basically 0%. There may be a couple of hermits that live their whole life without seeing a doctor and never go into a hospital when they are dying but that number is so small that I think a mandate is necessary.
Show some evidence those 25M don't want insurance. Why haven't you been able to do this yet? You seem damn sure 8% of the population has no desire for insurance so this should be easy for you to do right?
Yes. Pretty easy. There are many reasons pay the penalty, many of which are cant afford, but this shows 8% dont want or need insurance. Its about halfway down the page.
Yep you're right.The article says that 8% of people who don't have health insurance don't need/want it, not that 8% of the population doesn't want it. So Essentially 8% of 25M don't want/need insurance. That is only 2M which is a lot different than saying 25M don't want it.
The article says that 8% of people who don't have health insurance don't need/want it, not that 8% of the population doesn't want it. So Essentially 8% of 25M don't want/need insurance. That is only 2M which is a lot different than saying 25M don't want it.
Yes. Pretty easy. There are many reasons pay the penalty, many of which are cant afford, but this shows 8% dont want or need insurance. Its about halfway down the page.
Taxpayers also qualify for an exemption from the penalty if the lowest-priced qualifying coverage costs more than roughly 8 percent of their income. In 2015 and early 2016, the Internal Revenue Service sent letters to almost 319,000 taxpayers who may have unnecessarily paid the penalty to help them amend their 2014 taxes.
The other thing to remember about this number is that it is self reported. The odds are that they are simply wrong. They do need and will want insurance, the are just not self aware enough to know this.
I would say that there are a few, probably not as high as 2M but maybe, that really don't need health insurance simply because they are wealthy enough to pay cash when needed, but that is like saying that society should not pay for public roads because a few people can take helicopters anywhere they want to go.
Like I’ve said, even granting its 8% of the 25 million what percentage of those people would suddenly find they wanted and needed insurance if they were diagnosed with cancer tomorrow? 95%? 99%?
Yep you're right.
Exactly, insure everyone and we don’t have to argue about it at all.
Maybe my reading comprehension is off this morning, but this is the only 8 percent reference I can find in that article-
It doesn't support your claim at all. It would be helpful if you would quote the passage that does.
There's also the chart saying that 8% of people who don't have insurance say they don't need or want it, but that's not 8% of filers in any case. It's 8% of the 29M filers who don't have insurance.
So are you accepting that the vast majority of the 25m want health insurance now?