Kabini 5350 a good option for basic usage?

[Magic Carpet]

Consumption is barely 30W at full load measured at the wall..

Yeah, some cheap 115x boards will consume as much just idling around

 

[ShintaiDK]

30W for a 5350 system under both GPU and CPU load? No...

And in relation to the Haswell Celeron.

 

[Magic Carpet]

30W for a 5350 system under both GPU and CPU load? No...

Yeah, he probably meant load during general system usage. My Kabini does ~25W under heavy CPU/GPU stress-testing, but it's bound to be more-efficient due to BGA nature and lower TDP.

 

[Phynaz]

I wonder from where this fud come from..

Anyway so much for being misinformed, i have an Athlon 5350 and it doesnt throttle at all, not a single MHz, and i made extensive tests with Prime 95, Linpack and Luxmark CPU + GPU.

Consumption is barely 30W at full load measured at the wall..

Screenshots and killowatt photo or it didn't happen.

 

[Abwx]

30W for a 5350 system under both GPU and CPU load? No...

And in relation to the Haswell Celeron.

About 13W idle and as said barely 30W on the main, sure that i dont use a 850W PSU like THG or XBitlabs.

In XBitlabs test wich use IBT the Celeron is favoured because it has no AVX, contrary to the Athlon wich has higher throughput in this test despite consuming quite less...

XBitlabs

Power supply: Corsair AX760i (80 Plus Platinum, 760 W)

22W delta, that s about 15-16W at the CPU level.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why dont you prove this usage of yours, instead of trying to tapdance and change the goalpost. Is it because you cant?

 

[Abwx]

Why dont you prove this usage of yours, instead of trying to tapdance and change the goalpost. Is it because you cant?

You rre aggravating your case, i edited my post, look at the very number you provided from Xbit article wich is one of most dishonnest review ever, with an anti AMD tone from start to finish...

 

[ShintaiDK]

So you cant prove it and now start the personal route. Classic.

 

[Abwx]

So you cant prove it and now start the personal route. Classic.

Lol, i have a system with all necessary measurements gear..

IDLE 10.3W

LUXBALL GPU LUXBALL CPU LUXBALL CPU + GPU



CONS WATTS 15.9W 23.8W 27.8W

DELTA 5.6W 13.5W 17.5W

SCORE PTS 532 991 1584



WINDOWS SCR SCR OFF LINPACK PRIME 95 TT

10.8W 10.35W 28.5W 29.6W


Asrock AM1H ITX
Athlon 5350 2.05GHz
8Go 1600Mhz 1.35V
SSD 128Go
HDD 320Go
KB PS2
Wireles mouse USB
Wifi USB
Adaptator 65W 14.7V
Adapt Targa 14V7 PWR IDLE : 1W

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Screenshots and killowatt photo or it didn't happen.

I don't know about the Athlon 5350, but my slower Sempron 3850 hovers around those numbers according to my Kill-A-Watt meter.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Lol, i have a system with all necessary measurements gear..

IDLE 10.3W

LUXBALL GPU LUXBALL CPU LUXBALL CPU + GPU



CONS WATTS 15.9W 23.8W 27.8W

DELTA 5.6W 13.5W 17.5W

SCORE PTS 532 991 1584



WINDOWS SCR SCR OFF LINPACK PRIME 95 TT

10.8W 10.35W 28.5W 29.6W


Asrock AM1H ITX
Athlon 5350 2.05GHz
8Go 1600Mhz 1.35V
SSD 128Go
HDD 320Go
KB PS2
Wireles mouse USB
Wifi USB
Adaptator 65W 14.7V
Adapt Targa 14V7 PWR IDLE : 1W

You where asked to prove it.

 

[Abwx]

You where asked to prove it.

Hardware.fr has a less efficient set up than me, but still :

You noticed that in best case they have 2 watts more than me at idle, this is due likely to their 230/12V power adaptator.

Mine use 1W when unplugged from the PC, that s quite remarquable value but i modded it to get that low, usualy best ones are those for laptops at 2-3W comsumption when not plugged to the device.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Your image doesn't work. And you forgot your own.

 

[Burpo]

Fixed image link.. Maybe he doesn't have an image?

 

[TheELF]

About 13W idle and as said barely 30W on the main, sure that i dont use a 850W PSU like THG or XBitlabs.

In XBitlabs test wich use IBT the Celeron is favoured because it has no AVX, contrary to the Athlon wich has higher throughput in this test despite consuming quite less...

22W delta, that s about 15-16W at the CPU level.

Since you made a case for the power supply,have a look at the motherboards as well
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-z87i-review,7.html
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/mainboard/65397-asrock-fm2a88x-itx/?page=8

The 6Watt difference (and not 22) between the 5350 and the g1820 is easily explained by the g1820 being run on a gaming z model motherboard.

You get 13W when idle? I get less then 16W while heavy gaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_vB8UkTr7g

 

[Abwx]

You get 13W when idle? I get less then 16W while heavy gaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_vB8UkTr7g

Hardware.fr has 12.7W in the test above, i guess that it s hard for some to accept that AMD has the best low power solution...

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-04/...ckel-fs1b-test/3/#abschnitt_leistungsaufnahme

8W idle at Computerbase.de with 21.5W on games, perhaps another one ?

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/533...goedkope-desktopplatforms-stroomverbruik-idle

 

[skipsneeky2]

Having decided Kabini isn't a option with a new budget of about $200,options like the 7400k and the 7600 have landed in my radar as well as something like perhaps the G3258.

I am assuming the 7600 has a better overall IGP then anything up to Intel 4600 or 530?It does offer 4 threads and perhaps it isn't to far off the reservation from a 7850k.Intel chips with 4600 and 530 certainly aren't affordable enough for me anyways.

 

[Abwx]

7600 is quite faster for both CPU + GPU but the APU + MB combo is about twice the price of the AM1, if games somewhat matters the former is to be prefered, though.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Having decided Kabini isn't a option with a new budget of about $200,options like the 7400k and the 7600 have landed in my radar as well as something like perhaps the G3258.

I am assuming the 7600 has a better overall IGP then anything up to Intel 4600 or 530?It does offer 4 threads and perhaps it isn't to far off the reservation from a 7850k.Intel chips with 4600 and 530 certainly aren't affordable enough for me anyways.

Yeah, for $85 -- the A8 7600 would be my choice for running integrated graphics. A quad core with an integrated GPU that is roughly a Radeon R7 250 video card. It's a great little chip.

 

[myocardia]

There's a reason that the A8-7600 is $20 more expensive than the A6-7400K. It's by far the better APU, if one plans to ever game. For a complete non-gamer, the 7400K would be just fine, of course.

 

[TheELF]

Hardware.fr has 12.7W in the test above, i guess that it s hard for some to accept that AMD has the best low power solution...

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-04/...ckel-fs1b-test/3/#abschnitt_leistungsaufnahme

8W idle at Computerbase.de with 21.5W on games, perhaps another one ?

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/533...goedkope-desktopplatforms-stroomverbruik-idle

It's also less then half the speed (mediaespresso/winrar) compared to the previous gen g1620 according to computerbase,so sure it has lower power consumption but that does not make it efficient.
12watt more at full load to get more then double the performance,and that's compared to the old gen g1620.

 

[Abwx]

It's also less then half the speed (mediaespresso/winrar) compared to the previous gen g1620 according to computerbase,so sure it has lower power consumption but that does not make it efficient.
12watt more at full load to get more then double the performance,and that's compared to the old gen g1620.

Because of quick synq acceleration but otherwise they have comparable throughput, although i m 100% sure that the Celeron wont deal as well with more than 3 threads, that s the big drawback of this CPU, not visible in the usual monotask benches (not even an antivirus + firewall activated) but is for sure felt by the users..

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/921-4/cpu-performances-applicatives-truecrypt.html

 

[skipsneeky2]

There's a reason that the A8-7600 is $20 more expensive than the A6-7400K. It's by far the better APU, if one plans to ever game. For a complete non-gamer, the 7400K would be just fine, of course.

Yup it certainly looks interesting from looking at the Bit-Tech review.Blows right pass HD4600 even with slow 1600 memory.Certainly can't find a single Intel chip offering this sort of IGP performance for even close to the price and for my needs it should work fine.

Biggest issue now is finding the right motherboard for about $55 on Newegg.I see a few options and chipsets but which is the most suitable is beyond me.Still need a decent psu as well for $45.

Pretty damn curious how bad off that APU will be running with a single 1333 stick,i will be limping on it for a short bit till i get a 2133 kit but it would be interesting none the less how it would run.Obviously better then anything Intel yet still?

 

[MrTeal]

Having decided Kabini isn't a option with a new budget of about $200,options like the 7400k and the 7600 have landed in my radar as well as something like perhaps the G3258.

I am assuming the 7600 has a better overall IGP then anything up to Intel 4600 or 530?It does offer 4 threads and perhaps it isn't to far off the reservation from a 7850k.Intel chips with 4600 and 530 certainly aren't affordable enough for me anyways.

I wouldn't say that Intel 530 is out of your budget if it's increased to $200. You could pick up a G4500+H110M motherboard+another 4GB of DDR3 for $135. That give plenty of extra for a power supply.

What all needs to go into the $200, BTW? That's getting close to the point where you can get a significantly more powerful system.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($66.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus A68HM-K Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $189.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

It might be a little excessive for her needs now, but that 270 has over 4 times the GPU power of the A8-7600 even if the iGPU wasn't limited by your RAM, which it would be. The motherboard even comes with a free tower cooler, if you want to try your hand at overclocking the CPU.

Edit: Of course, now that your budget is expanded you do have a couple other options. You could buy a refurb Optiplex 990 from Dell for $170 with an i5-2500 in it, sell the existing case, and buy a used GPU to pair with it. Something like a used 7770 goes regularly for $50 or less. It's probably be more than she needs for WoT, but the build quality on the Dell case will probably be worlds better than the one you described, it will come with its own RAM, HDD, DVD, OS, etc.

 

[AtenRa]

What PC Parts you going to use the $200 budget for ???

Also A8-7600 iGPU is faster than Intels HD530 by a good 30-50% depending on the game and Image Quality/resolution.