Just want to cry

[tbike06]

Originally posted by: doze
The Prius costs about 10K more than it should and is essentially a status symbol. Good luck to your friend when his Prius breaks down 600 miles from a Toyota dealership and nobody nearby can fix it.

:disgust:

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
the industry isn't laying off people due to quality concerns, their legacy costs are through the roof. The unions were short sighted in their demands, and now they're killing the golden goose

Both parties sat down and hammered out the agreements they're living with today.

Domestics traded off wage increases for insurance, pensions, and job protections all of which wouldn't have mattered if they kept selling cars at the 1980 rate and healthcare costs hadn't gone through the roof.

The average person will use 75% of all their healthcare benefits received throughout their life in the last 7 months of their life.

 

[Trikat]

Sure you don't save too much according to mathmatical calculations, but you are helping to save the environment.
I'm not a tree hugger, but I do believe in a bit of recyling and such.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
as you know.. for many on AT, a car that can have some fun (and has soul) counts for something, not just straight MPG

your argument is FLAWED . . . SUVs are still the most popular vehicle . . . no fun . . . no soul
. . . and no gas mileage either
:thumbsdown:

that's 0 for 3 . . . that's 'WHY' - it's not just the US auto industry is so out of touch . . . the American Public is really fickle and not too smart
:roll:

. . . as soon as they figure a way to deliver Your 500hp living-room-on-4-wheels AND get decent mileage we can stop crying.

 

[raildogg]

LOL he could get a Civic Hybrid for cheaper. It would be more fun to drive, equal or more gas mileage. But yeah, getting a Prius makes you look more enviromentally friendly. Sweet.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: letdown427
I got over 60mpg in a 1.5diesel Renault Clio. And damn the Prius is ugly.

the prius is like 2x the size of a renault clio. and diesel has more energy in it per gallon. kilojoules per mile is a better way to look at it if you're comparing different fuels, and i'm sure the prius slaughters the clio at that measure.

 

[skyking]

the 100K mile argument is a laughable one. I drive all my cars 200k at least, and they can go the distance due to quality. I don't fit comfortably into a prius and I don't buy new, or it would be on the short list.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: sundevb

Originally posted by: randym431
Why did my friend have to drive 600 miles to get one

Your friend drove 20 hours to spend thousands more dollars on a car that is only worth it after 100,000 miles (7-8 years) of driving?

I just want to cry too.

Does the 7-8 year stat include the time value of money?

No, it assumes that you'd just stick the savings under your mattress.

ZV

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Regarding the Prius, I think not everyone buys it expecting to break even. Some people just like knowing they're using far less fuel per mile. Some might just adore the looks. Some are loyal Toyota purchasers. There's lots of reasons, even though I agree with none of them myself. I'd never buy one simply because it looks horrid IMO.

But I do agree that the US auto industry is whacked out. 98% of what they're dishing out lately are models that look like steaming piles of horse sh!t. In my world, mileage and features don't mean squat if the car looks bad. But again... I value looks higher than most others. To each their own.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: skyking
the 100K mile argument is a laughable one. I drive all my cars 200k at least, and they can go the distance due to quality. I don't fit comfortably into a prius and I don't buy new, or it would be on the short list.

My father's had 3 Explorers, all but one made it past 200,000 miles without issue. The one that didn't was rear-ended by a motorhome and totaled at 135,000 miles. He's had more problems in one year with the Honda Pilot he bought than he had with all three Explorers. The "quality" argument is BS.

As for your take on the 100,000 mile part, that's great for you, but the average consumer doesn't keep a car that long. On average a new car buyer keeps a car for about 5 years and 80,000 miles.

ZV

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
Regarding the Prius, I think not everyone buys it expecting to break even. Some people just like knowing they're using far less fuel per mile. Some might just adore the looks. Some are loyal Toyota purchasers. There's lots of reasons, even though I agree with none of them myself. I'd never buy one simply because it looks horrid IMO.

But I do agree that the US auto industry is whacked out. 98% of what they're dishing out lately are models that look like steaming piles of horse sh!t. In my world, mileage and features don't mean squat if the car looks bad. But again... I value looks higher than most others. To each their own.

hahahaha


i love the idiocy of this statement especially considering "looks" are SUBJECTIVE and TRANSITIVE.


but it is something i see very often here on ATOT. that they buy on looks. :roll:

 

[Hacp]

The Prius is a pleasing car to look at. Some people may buy it not only to save gas but for the wow factor from their friends.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Yep I know people that have been in the car business for 20 years, and that whole quality thing has know just become a myth, maybe it was true 15 years ago, but not anymore. Unfortunately we have to wait for that generation to pass over.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: skyking
the 100K mile argument is a laughable one. I drive all my cars 200k at least, and they can go the distance due to quality. I don't fit comfortably into a prius and I don't buy new, or it would be on the short list.

No, it's laughable because after you replace that $8000 battery in 4-6 years, or 100k miles, you just lost all of your fuel economy savings. The prius is an insult to anyone who can do math and in my experience driving it, it's NEEDLESSLY complicated. LCD radio and climate control? Can't work the nav system over 3mph? WTF?

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
Regarding the Prius, I think not everyone buys it expecting to break even. Some people just like knowing they're using far less fuel per mile. Some might just adore the looks. Some are loyal Toyota purchasers. There's lots of reasons, even though I agree with none of them myself. I'd never buy one simply because it looks horrid IMO.

But I do agree that the US auto industry is whacked out. 98% of what they're dishing out lately are models that look like steaming piles of horse sh!t. In my world, mileage and features don't mean squat if the car looks bad. But again... I value looks higher than most others. To each their own.

hahahaha


i love the idiocy of this statement especially considering "looks" are SUBJECTIVE and TRANSITIVE.


but it is something i see very often here on ATOT. that they buy on looks. :roll:

Hmm...why are you telling me that looks are subjective? Were you not intelligent enough to realize my statement was opinion? Do I really need to preface everything I say with "IMO" for you? Kudos to you for catching the obvious!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: JS80
i blame the unions

Funny how every other company has to deal with unions and much stronger unions ones at that. In Germany, a nation of 80m people, IG Metall has 2.4m members. In the US (pop 300m), the UAW has 500 000 members.

But hey, scapegoats are fun. After all, they save you from all that dreadful thinking you'd have to do otherwise...

It's not the just 'because of the unions' It's the legacy costs and more than anything else, it's healthcare costs. Yes the companies were bloated and these cuts were needed years ago, but the health care expenses are murdering GM/Ford/DCX.

Loss of Marketshare is what's killing them.

 

[Vic]

The real crying shame is that idiots keep thinking that they can save the environment through consumerism.

 

[altonb1]

The quality issue has been flawed for years. The big three make quality cars, but for some reason, buying Americaqn is just not "cool" any longer; sending money overseas is more fashionable. :roll:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mugs
Why? Because you'd have to be a retard or a hippie or someone who cares only about appearances to buy a Prius.

Pretty ironic that your friend drove 1200 miles round trip to get one. So much for saving gas.

Bullsh!t. What's wrong with saving some money on gas? If you're going to buy a car anyway and you drive a lot there's nothing wrong with buying a Prius.

Your generalizations about the people who buy these cars is utterly ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

 

[xtreme26]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: MichaelD
/pulls OP by ear and turns his head

"See that cloud over there?"
"uh-huh."
"Well son, that's SMUG. And it's killing our planet!"

"If the two supercells collide with Cloony's Speech....well we'd have...the perfect storm!"

Also OP, I'd rather have no car at all then buy a Japanese one.

lol wow..thats pretty lame

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mugs
Why? Because you'd have to be a retard or a hippie or someone who cares only about appearances to buy a Prius.

Pretty ironic that your friend drove 1200 miles round trip to get one. So much for saving gas.

Bullsh!t. What's wrong with saving some money on gas? If you're going to buy a car anyway and you drive a lot there's nothing wrong with buying a Prius.

Your generalizations about the people who buy these cars is utterly ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

The truth behind the generalization is the fallacy that people believe they can still be smugly environmentally-conscious while consuming, i.e. buying a brand-new car and then driving a lot of miles. I suppose it's better that they did so while driving a Prius than a Hummer, but not by much.

 

[T9D]

GM is coming out with a whole bunch of hybrid models next year I believe. Saw it on the news or on Anandtech front page. Can't remember where. Either way they are going for a big push soon.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: xtreme26

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: MichaelD
/pulls OP by ear and turns his head

"See that cloud over there?"
"uh-huh."
"Well son, that's SMUG. And it's killing our planet!"

"If the two supercells collide with Cloony's Speech....well we'd have...the perfect storm!"

Also OP, I'd rather have no car at all then buy a Japanese one.

lol wow..thats pretty lame

Care to elaborate n00b?

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: randym431
A friend just got the toyota prius link

All I can say is WHY is the US auto industry not in front on this?
Why did my friend have to drive 600 miles to get one, made by toyota, and not Ford or GM or "some" US auto maker???

The take holds 12 gallons. They filled up and drove the 600 miles back and still had plenty of gas in the tank. This car is just so nice. Its a crying shame US auto makers rather lay off auto workers because the industry will not change and give the people what they want. Really sad, but the car is great!

Check out the inside 360 view on their site...WOW

Some US car manufacturers know what they are doing.
Chevrolet are making LPG (liquid petroleum gas) cars for sale in the UK, because LPG is about half the price of petrol (though probably gets worse mpg - you still save vs petrol cars), they know that some people want options, and they give us options in the UK
Chrysler on the other hand have no idea what they are doing, and try to sell US cars with no changes in the UK market. Large engines, poor fuel economy, not much power. Ford cars sold in the UK are cheaper, smaller engined and faster.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mugs
Why? Because you'd have to be a retard or a hippie or someone who cares only about appearances to buy a Prius.

Pretty ironic that your friend drove 1200 miles round trip to get one. So much for saving gas.

Bullsh!t. What's wrong with saving some money on gas? If you're going to buy a car anyway and you drive a lot there's nothing wrong with buying a Prius.

Your generalizations about the people who buy these cars is utterly ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Because, you're not saving money until you drive the car 100K mi. and you can save as much money on gas and have a better driving experience with other cars.

So, the only reason to buy one is to impress your similarly deluded hippy friends.