MmmSkyscraper
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irishScott
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So what? I'm as American as the next American, but I can see it from the opposing point of view as well, although I consider that view to be misguided. It's good to see both sides of an issue. Just because something's anti-American doesn't automatically make it bad. If you take long enough to examine the persepctive, you might actuall get something out of it.
Note: I haven't seen the movie, but this is my POV on all "Anti-American" movies.
so unlike the kazakhastanis wanting to kill the actor who ridiculed their people in "Borat", you don't mind when someone rats on your country?
irishScott
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Not if they have a point that I consider valid. And even if the point is invalid, that just makes me think about why they would have that viewpoint in the first place. The main cause of the invalid points is often ignorance, which is mostly due to our export culture and the government of said foreign nation.
Following this line of thought, the end result is learning their perceptions, why they have them, and thus knowing how to counter those perceptions.
I personally think America's policies are misunderstood in a lot of ways, even by many Americans.
irishScott
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Technically we're all ignorant about something. Maybe he is ignorant on this issue in the same way I'm ignorant about what Bush is thinking right now. Doesn't mean he's an anti-American dumba$$.
Haven't seen the movie, refuse to pay for a movie that romanticizes past Japanese Imperial aggressions. Liberalism in Hollywood at it's finest. :thumbsdown:
America blows because of idiots like you who think that having a point of view critical of jingoism is "Ratting on your country."
P.S. Clint Eastwood is an american hero, a great man, a talented film maker, an intellectual, and.. yes.. A republican... I'm not, but I respect him for having a mind of his own instead of just being a drone. He loves America, and I do too.
CLINT EASTWOOD WAS A REPUBLICAN MAYOR, A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, HAS WORKED FOR MANY REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGNS.
Stop being ignorant. He is not liberal, he just has a mind of his own.
CLINT EASTWOOD WAS A REPUBLICAN MAYOR, A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, HAS WORKED FOR MANY REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGNS, WHO MADE A MOVIE ROMANTICIZING PAST JAPANESE AGGRESSIONS!!!!
Printer Bandit
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"Although a registered Republican in California, and a supporter of Richard Nixon's 1968 campaign, Eastwood describes himself as a libertarian, describing his philosophy as "Everyone leaves everyone else alone." [2] In May 2003 he criticized the Iraq war as a "big mistake" and defended Sean Penn's controversial visit to Baghdad. [citation needed]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Eastwood
zerocool84
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damn why do we have to turn this beautiful movie into this kinda crap??? this was a great movie with great emotion and showed that the other side is just as human as us. you people takes some things too seriously. just enjoy it and if you didnt, dont post needless crap just to neff
irishScott
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Agreed. This is starting to look like P&N.
Clint Eastwood will think what he wants and none of us can change it so WTF cares?
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Hitler, ted bunddy... the average jap soldier who raped and killed chinese women and children.. they were all human... maybe when the average person is put into a situation where they are allowed to act inhuman.. maybe all of us may act like that.. but to excuse the fact and say they are as "human as us".. it is inexcusable...
I want to watch movies which shows that the human spirt can raise above it all even if we all capable of insane acts...
Hollywood make those type of movies and more people will watch it. I will not watch Letters from Iwo Jima... nor will I watch flags of our fathers...
Spoken by someone who certainly has not seen the movie...it does not romanticize it in any way.
Then you should really see this movie.
FOOF was good, but this one was much better. It shows both the good, and the ugly side of both the americans and the japanese. It isn't a movie about who was on the "right" side.
Just about every other war movie I have seen, pretty much entirely from the american POV, has been triumphant in the end. Whereas LFIJ is pure defeat from beginning to end. The only triumphs to be had are those of individual survival, and the recognition that by and large, the common soldier on the other side is there for the very same reasons, fighting to get home, kill or be killed. The most powerful scenes in the movie werent victorious fighting scenes, but the interactions between the soldiers and the officers, and rare interaction between the two sides.
I havent seen the departed yet, but iwo jima was easily one of the best movies I've seen in years, and easily the best war movie I've ever seen - exactly because it *didn't* romanticize war.
I went to see Flags of our Fathers first and thought it was pretty average. Iwo Jima was an excellent movie, and one of the better war movies I've ever seen. Iwo Jima did make me appreciate Flags of our Fathers a little bit more, if not just for the contrast.
They're *completely* different movies. FOOF was very slow, and war was merely the background for most of it. That movie showed the ugly side of the administration of the war, etc.
Although the focus of the movie still is not about action like saving private ryan (there is plenty of it though), the movie takes place entirely on iwo jima, and is about the soldiers, not the goverment back home.
I will say one thing though...this is NOT a feel good movie. It was so damn draining, that it felt like 1am when we got out of the theater, even though it was only 9:30. I didnt look at my watch once during it.
The "letters" that the actual movie is named after refers to a set of letters found buried on iwo jima. Letters written by the general, and by common soldiers, that you will hear parts of throughout the movie. It's those letters, empirical evidence, that force you to understand how much the two sides had in common, rather than any specific storytelling by the writers.
If it didn't romanticize war, did it show when the Japaneses raped and killed the chinese? This is real life.. this is what happened... To only show one side.. the human side of the Japanese soldiers without showing the side where japanese beheaded children, raped mothers, use kids as human targets for their bayonet practice... Well, isn't that kinda one sided.. Isn't that kind of romanticizing the war?
War is ugly. To show that Japanese soldiers are human too... without showing the evil that they did.. that is to sully the memory of those that were murdered by them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
Every person is human, but to use this as excuse for the evil that was done... that is stupid... it sullys the memory of all the innocent people who died.. To stop romanticizing the war, we first have to admit that the common Japanese soldier committed many evil deeds...
The movie I would love to see is a movie about a platton of japanese soldiers who refused orders to kill innnocent people.. A group of japanese soldiers who rise above the evil (e.g., like shinders list). From what I hear, this is not what happen...
I will not see this movie... This movie Romanticizes Japaneses soldiers who have commiited many unspeakable crimes against innnocent people.
IAteYourMother
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maybe the German command, but alot of the soldiers were just regular young carefree men who just answered the call of duty to their own country like many of our own GIs. Band of Brothers had a little segment on that too.
I think Eastwood thinks that we know about all that stuff. And most of us do. I think romaticization would be to show that *all* of them were not human.
I think if you see the movie you will have a different opinion.
Listen - it's not news to anyone that japanese soldiers did terrible things. It's also not news to anyone that american soldiers, german soldiers, chinese soldiers, EVERY DAMN ARMY on the ENTIRE PLANET has done unspeakable things. And yet often people believe their own side is righteous, while the other side is a bunch of evil savages. But thats far from the reality of ANY war - thats exactly what the movie is about.
Then you have heard wrong about this movie. Without spoiling, there is quite a bit of insubordination, for better or for worse.
It doesnt romanticize it in any way. It is a horribly depressing movie. It doesnt make the japanese look like the good guys, neither does it make the americans look like the good guys OR the bad guys.
Both sides do good things, and both sides do bad things. And this is on an individual level. Rising above the propaganda of "the other side" are evil savages. Thats what the movie is mainly about.
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