Just how bad is the Pentium D?

VivienM

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Okay, I'll admit it... I'm a hardcore Intel fan. Current rig is a 1.9 Willamette (that runs pretty hot... 48C idle, mid-60s at full load maybe?), i850 (boxed Intel board, too) with RDRAM. Not exactly the most popular thing around 4 years ago, but it has generally served me well and can stay up for weeks until Windows eventually eats itself from within.

That being said, though it can run AoE3 (newest game I bought) nicely enough, it feels somewhat sluggish compared to my newish P-M 750 laptop, so starting to think about upgrading. Trying not to spend too much money, and hoping whatever I buy can last me a good three years or so...

In general, system is used mostly for desktop-type apps, possibly quite heavy multitasking, light gaming on the side... No overclocking, and in my "old age" I just want things to run without dealing with buggy drivers, compatibility this and that, frequent reboots (ideally rebooting every 3-4 weeks would be good), and whatnot. So I'm thinking I want dual core, probably the 820. Maybe an Intel mobo, though Abit i945P boards are going for dirt cheap and look very tempting. (BTW, is DDR2/533 good enough for an 800FSB non-overclocked system?)

But then I come here, and start seeing all these horror stories about the P-D and how much better the X2 is. People claim the AMD chipset issues are mostly gone, but then you read about how the SB X-Fi (something I'd want to get, given my love for my original generation Audigy...) doesn't play nice with NF4 boards, and I start to get nervous again.

Given that I've been well-served for almost 4 years by one of Intel's biggest screwups, should I really be worried about the P-D?

Or is it really worth biting the bullet, spending the extra $150 (CAD) on the 3800+ (and the extra $80-100 on RAM/mobo compared to that Abit deal), and not looking back?

Or should I wait for the 9xx Intel chips? I'm not really planning on building until late Dec./early January anyways, and I've been seeing different things about when those will be out...
 

VivienM

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Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Read the reviews.......it's good for some things and pretty awful for othes.

imo.


Is there anything the X2 is bad at?
 

mechBgon

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If you prefer Intel, why not grab an i865PE motherboard, a 3.2GHz Northwood and a couple of 1GB PC3200 modules? Well, I guess that would leave you stuck with AGP, though... :confused: But you could probably find those items on the For Sale & Trade forum for good prices if it appeals to you.
 

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Originally posted by: VivienM
Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Read the reviews.......it's good for some things and pretty awful for othes.

imo.


Is there anything the X2 is bad at?
Intel owns the soft-boiled egg benchmark. :evil:
 

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Originally posted by: VivienM
Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Read the reviews.......it's good for some things and pretty awful for othes.

imo.


Is there anything the X2 is bad at?

Not really...that's why most of the posters on these boards have become such devotees...
 

VivienM

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
If you prefer Intel, why not grab an i865PE motherboard, a 3.2GHz Northwood and a couple of 1GB PC3200 modules? Well, I guess that would leave you stuck with AGP, though... :confused: But you could probably find those items on the For Sale & Trade forum for good prices if it appeals to you.

I have a nice i865PE (Abit IS7) with a Cel D. 330 and 1GB DDR400 running Linux/MythTV, so if I wanted to do massive surgery, I could recycle that board with a different CPU, and then get a different board (and CPU?) for the Linux box...

I want to get away from AGP, though... and having dreams of 7800 GTs and dual core... :)

My current 1.9GHz P4, upgraded with an ATI AiW 9800 Pro whenever those came out (bloody expensive upgrade, too), has managed to keep up with my gaming needs (usable @ 1600x1200 because that's my LCD's native res, though I'm sure most hardcore gamers would find me way too tolerant of 'low' framerates) pretty well over time, so I'd be hoping for a similar 3+ year life cycle (with a possible video card upgrade two years in) out of whatever I replace it with.
 

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I've been researching this some more...
Would the Asus A8N-E work out well for my purposes?
 

slash196

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I don't think you're going to be able to go 3 weeks without rebooting. Just give up the dream, man.
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: VivienM
I've been researching this some more...
Would the Asus A8N-E work out well for my purposes?
The main downsides of the A8N-E are a noisy cooling fan on the southbridge and a lack of onboard Firewire (if that matters to you). I stuck an aftermarket chipset cooler on mine (Swiftech MCX-159CU is what you want) and I like it fairly well, my rig specs.

I just upgraded to the X2 after using a single-core 3000+ for a while. The X2 is a nice upgrade for my purposes. I do some Adobe Premiere Elements video editing and it makes very effective use of both cores at once, encode times were cut in half and the system was smoother in the meantime too. I haven't tried an Intel dual-core to compare against subjectively or benchmarks, but I'm pleased enough so far.
 

VivienM

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Originally posted by: slash196
I don't think you're going to be able to go 3 weeks without rebooting. Just give up the dream, man.

My current box has done 3-4 weeks routinely before some upgraded software (I suspect the version of GoBack in Norton SystemWorks 2005) or something introduced an issue where WinXP runs out of network buffers or something and explodes after about 2 weeks. Current uptime on the box right now is 1 week, 4 days, and it's running pretty good if I restart Firefox somewhat regularly (stupid thing leaks RAM like crazy on all my systems, but I do tend to have 25+ open tabs).

Longest uptime I've ever seen on a Windoze desktop machine was on Win2K on a Dell PIII 700. Went from Labour Day (first Monday in September) to Canadian Thanksgiving (second Monday of October) without rebooting :) I had a laptop once sit around for about 3 months without rebooting, but it wasn't being used very much.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not doing anything remotely hardcore... obviously, if I was, stability might be a little different.

The point is, though, that the Intel systems I've used CAN be stable enough that it's only Windows' stupid design flaws that eventually force a reboot weeks later. I'm worried an AMD X2 might not match that... (then again, if I'm not overclocking, which I wouldn't be, maybe it would?)
 

VivienM

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: VivienM
I've been researching this some more...
Would the Asus A8N-E work out well for my purposes?
The main downsides of the A8N-E are a noisy cooling fan on the southbridge and a lack of onboard Firewire (if that matters to you). I stuck an aftermarket chipset cooler on mine (Swiftech MCX-159CU is what you want) and I like it fairly well, my rig specs.


I'm open to being told I have a use for Firewire. My current rig has had a couple ports thanks to the Audigy, and I've never used them... (go figure, I thought when I bought an iPod mini that I would, but they dropped the Firewire cable with the 6 gigger, and it cost less to buy a USB 2 card than a Firewire cable)

If going Intel again, I'd been considering the Abit AL8-V, which one retailer up here in the Great White North is selling for ridiculously cheap, and that doesn't have Firewire either...

So, what uses for Firewire are there? Digital video? Anything else?
 

mechBgon

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Digital video from camcorders or webcams, external hard drives, those are the main things I can think of. I crammed a $10 Firewire card into one of the PCI slots and that was the end of that deficiency. But between the Firewire card and the quieter aftermarket southbridge cooler, I sort of wished the A8N-SLI Premium had been available when I was buying the A8N-E. The Premium has passive heatpipe cooling instead of a fan, it has Texas Instruments firewire onboard, and it can of course take two PCIe video cards too. You know what they say about hindsight being 20/20 :eek:
 

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Originally posted by: VivienM
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: VivienM
I've been researching this some more...
Would the Asus A8N-E work out well for my purposes?
The main downsides of the A8N-E are a noisy cooling fan on the southbridge and a lack of onboard Firewire (if that matters to you). I stuck an aftermarket chipset cooler on mine (Swiftech MCX-159CU is what you want) and I like it fairly well, my rig specs.


I'm open to being told I have a use for Firewire. My current rig has had a couple ports thanks to the Audigy, and I've never used them... (go figure, I thought when I bought an iPod mini that I would, but they dropped the Firewire cable with the 6 gigger, and it cost less to buy a USB 2 card than a Firewire cable)

If going Intel again, I'd been considering the Abit AL8-V, which one retailer up here in the Great White North is selling for ridiculously cheap, and that doesn't have Firewire either...

So, what uses for Firewire are there? Digital video? Anything else?

not that i can think of off the top of my head, unless the 20GB Ipod can still use it, so no, no use whatsoever :p
 

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Originally posted by: VivienM
Okay, I'll admit it... I'm a hardcore Intel fan. Current rig is a 1.9 Willamette ...

Whoah, you didn't need to tell us the first part. If you can put up with a Williamette in this day and age, the first part is implied! ;)
 

VivienM

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Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Originally posted by: VivienM
Okay, I'll admit it... I'm a hardcore Intel fan. Current rig is a 1.9 Willamette ...

Whoah, you didn't need to tell us the first part. If you can put up with a Williamette in this day and age, the first part is implied! ;)

There isn't much of an alternative to putting up with it, other than buying new mobo + RAM + CPU... :) and until recently, I didn't have much of a reason to justify looking at that. (Of course, meanwhile they invented PCI Express, making it impossible to recycle the video card and adding another gigantic expenditure, and Intel decided one PATA channel was enough, making it impossible to recycle hard drives...)
 

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Yeah, true that. What inspired you to get Intel's ill-fated Williamette on the ill-fated i850 chipset with ill-fated PC800 RDRAM in the first place, exactly?
 

VivienM

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Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Yeah, true that. What inspired you to get Intel's ill-fated Williamette on the ill-fated i850 chipset with ill-fated PC800 RDRAM in the first place, exactly?

Well, this was December 2001...

nForce boards for the Athlon were barely in the retail channel; I think there was just MSI's first one, and that was it.

Horror stories about VIA, 4-in-1 drivers, and whatnot were all over the place.

The first i845 boards with SDRAM were around, but the general opinion seemed to be big performance hit.

i815 and a PIII was a possibility, but the 512 meg limit was a real problem given my previous rig had 640 already...

Given at the time, budgetary considerations weren't a big factor, that only left one choice, didn't it? :) At least I ended up with a socket 478, though it later turned out the Northwoods wouldn't run on my revision of the Intel D850MVL, or so Intel's specs claim...
 

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There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the Pentium D, however there are better options available. Going from a 1.9 Willamette any modern P4 PD A64 or X2 is going to be good. If you really want to stay with Intel then going for a Pentium 6xx would probably serve you quite well.
 

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The A8N-E is great. I'm using one right now. I'm pretty sure the noisy chipset fan has been fixed in rev 2.00. I have a rev 2.00 board and they chipset fan is pretty silent.
 

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Just how bad is the Pentium D?
It killed my Mother! It killed my Father! It took my father's sword! :D
 

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Originally posted by: VivienM
I've been researching this some more...
Would the Asus A8N-E work out well for my purposes?

I use that with my 3800+ X2 and it works great!