Just how bad is fast food? Look inside for my story...

[0roo0roo]

demonizing food is silly. and no, "natural" food wasn't put there by god to make you healthy. this obsession of swearing off things, all or nothing because people don't want to grow the balls to have a bit of self control and use things in moderation is why americans love all those fad diets. its a load of sh*t.

Randy: [turns around, dropping an empty bottle] I'm sorry, son! I'm off the wagon!
Stan: Dad, you don't have to do this! You have the power. You haven't drank since seeing the statue.
Randy: But the statue wasn't a miracle!
Stan: Yeah. The statue wasn't a miracle, Dad. So that means you did it. That means you didn't have a drink for five days all on your own.
Randy: You're right, Stan. If God didn't make me stop drinking then... I did. Maybe... Maybe I can force myself to never drink again. [throws off all his drinks, and they shatter on the pavement.]
Stan: No!
Randy: No??
Stan: Dad, you like to drink. So have a drink once in a while. Have two. If you devote your whole life to completely avoiding something you like, then that thing still controls your life and, 'n you've never learned any discipline at all.
Randy: But, maybe... I'm just the kind of person who needs to have it all or nothing.
Stan: Naw. All or nothing is easy. But learning to drink a little bit, responsibly, that'sa disciprine. Disciprine... come from within. [Randy looks at Stan for a moment, then walks up to his side and kneels next to him.]
Randy: How did I manage to raise such a smart kid?
Stan: I've had a great teacher.
Randy: Thanks son.
Stan: No not you, my karate teacher. He's really smart.
Randy: Oh. Well, tell you what: let's leave the car here, walk home, and watch the game. Like to have another beer or two.
Stan: All right!
Randy: [lifts up his son and places him on his shoulders] Come on! [they begin to walk] Or maybe I'll have three beers. [they walk off towards the sunset in the street. Their shadows are long on the pavement as the sun blazes on the horizon]
Stan: That's probably okay if you spread it out.
Randy: Well how about four?
Stan: I think you're pushing it.
Randy: How about twenty?
Stan: That's not disciprine.
Randy: Right right. Does vodka count?
Stan: Dad!
[End of Bloody Mary.]http://www.planearium2.de/scripts-914.htm

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Thank you for pwning the American Corporate Brainwasher :laugh:

Dave, no one owns sh!t. The entire point of this thread is this:

Some are claiming that fast food raises your cholesterol more than the SAME foods cooked the same way at home.

This is an absurd claim not supported by any valid facts.

You're just too fscking stupid to see that his entire rant was irrelevant.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Thank you for pwning the American Corporate Brainwasher :laugh:

Some are claiming that fast food raises your cholesterol more than the SAME foods cooked the same way at home.

I think this is what a lot of us miss about this argument including myself. Of course if you eat the same food at home as you do in fast food joints it's going to be bad for you. I don't eat french fries at home, I don't eat Hamburgers loaded with bacon stacked with 3 1/4 lbs patties at home, I don't drink Milkshakes with chunks of cookie dough at home and when I eat fish or chicken at home it's not dipped in fat laden batter. I would venture to say that most people who are healthy and not obese don't of if they do it's rare. Of course if you eat at a fast food joint all the time the odds are you eat this type of food often even if healthy alternatives are available to you.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Amused
The myth here is that a hamburger at a fast food place is any less healthy than a burger anywhere else. That's just not true.

Right, that is why the ingredients for their strawberry topping contains ZERO strawberries. 100% lab made flavoring.. don't try to explain this.. it's already been explained. Fast food places are sh!t.

I can also use true lean beef instead of cheap fat loaded trash they use, while at the same time not coming with a bunch of chemicals that my organs have no idea what to do with.

Americans are the leaders in fast food consumption and are also the leaders in prescription drug consumption, stomach problems take up many of the top 10 meds.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
The myth here is that a hamburger at a fast food place is any less healthy than a burger anywhere else. That's just not true.

Right, that is why the ingredients for their strawberry topping contains ZERO strawberries. 100% lab made flavoring.. don't try to explain this.. it's already been explained. Fast food places are sh!t.

Do you normally make sh!t up?

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller...tion.categories.ingredients.index.html
Strawberry Topping: Strawberries, sugar, water, high fructose corn syrup, natural strawberry flavor with other natural flavors (fruit source), citric acid, pectin, sodium benzoate as a preservative, locust bean gum, FD&C red #40, calcium chloride.

WTF does strawberry topping have to do with burgers anyhow?

Nothing at all. For all of his rant he still has no valid proof that the beef sold at McDonalds is any different than the beef sold in supermarkets.

And that, after all, was the basis of this thread.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma


I can also use true lean beef instead of cheap fat loaded trash they use, while at the same time not coming with a bunch of chemicals that my organs have no idea what to do with.

Americans are the leaders in fast food consumption and are also the leaders in prescription drug consumption, stomach problems take up many of the top 10 meds.

I already posted the nutritional info of McDonald's burgers vs supermarket hamburger of various fat %s. McDonald's burgers are actually fairly lean once cooked.

You also have no valid proof that the hamburger they serve is anything but 100% ground beef. None. So let's stop the myths.

Finally, the preservatives and seasonings they use are found in almost all restaurants and prepared foods be they frozen, or canned.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I think this is what a lot of us miss about this argument including myself. Of course if you eat the same food at home as you do in fast food joints it's going to be bad for you. I don't eat french fries at home, I don't eat Hamburgers loaded with bacon stacked with 3 1/4 lbs patties at home, I don't drink Milkshakes with chunks of cookie dough at home and when I eat fish or chicken at home it's not dipped in fat laden batter. I would venture to say that most people who are healthy and not obese don't of if they do it's rare. Of course if you eat at a fast food joint all the time the odds are you eat this type of food often even if healthy alternatives are available to you.

[/quote]

I don't eat any of those things at fast food restaurants. If I have a fast food burger I have a single or double with cheese. I forego the fries because I'm avoiding starchy carbs and I drink water.

And MANY people make fried chicken and fish at home. Hell, my mom would fry chicken or fish all the time... in bacon grease. A very common practice before the 1980s

As for the deserts, those things you list are TREATS. Anyone who consumes them on a daily basis has no one to blame but themselves. Why is no one attacking baskin robbins?

But thanks for recognizing the real argument here.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
The myth here is that a hamburger at a fast food place is any less healthy than a burger anywhere else. That's just not true.

Right, that is why the ingredients for their strawberry topping contains ZERO strawberries. 100% lab made flavoring.. don't try to explain this.. it's already been explained. Fast food places are sh!t.

Do you normally make sh!t up?

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller...tion.categories.ingredients.index.html
Strawberry Topping: Strawberries, sugar, water, high fructose corn syrup, natural strawberry flavor with other natural flavors (fruit source), citric acid, pectin, sodium benzoate as a preservative, locust bean gum, FD&C red #40, calcium chloride.

WTF does strawberry topping have to do with burgers anyhow?

Nothing at all. For all of his rant he still has no valid proof that the beef sold at McDonalds is any different than the beef sold in supermarkets.

And that, after all, was the basis of this thread.

from Burger King's website

Corn Syrup, Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), and Colored with Red #40. <--- ZERO strawberries.

So McDonalds uses a few strawberries along with all their chemicals.. at home mine are 100%... don't tell me theirs are just as healthy as my real ones without chemicals.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
The myth here is that a hamburger at a fast food place is any less healthy than a burger anywhere else. That's just not true.

Right, that is why the ingredients for their strawberry topping contains ZERO strawberries. 100% lab made flavoring.. don't try to explain this.. it's already been explained. Fast food places are sh!t.

Do you normally make sh!t up?

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller...tion.categories.ingredients.index.html
Strawberry Topping: Strawberries, sugar, water, high fructose corn syrup, natural strawberry flavor with other natural flavors (fruit source), citric acid, pectin, sodium benzoate as a preservative, locust bean gum, FD&C red #40, calcium chloride.

WTF does strawberry topping have to do with burgers anyhow?

Nothing at all. For all of his rant he still has no valid proof that the beef sold at McDonalds is any different than the beef sold in supermarkets.

And that, after all, was the basis of this thread.

from Burger King's website

Corn Syrup, Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), and Colored with Red #40. <--- ZERO strawberries.

So McDonalds uses a few strawberries along with all their chemicals.. at home mine are 100%... don't tell me theirs are just as healthy as my real ones without chemicals.

And both are the same as MOST strawberry toppings people buy in supermarkets and use at home. Hell, have you seen what's in Strawberry Quik?

And which chemicals in those are so evil and deadly?

You do understand that your homemade strawberry topping has NO shelf life? You could not ship it and sell it. Not only that, but it doesn't look as appetizing as the ones sold in supermarkets and restaurants.

Example:

The number one store bought ice cream topping from Smuckers:

STRAWBERRIES, CORN SYRUP, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, SUGAR, WATER, CITRIC ACID, PECTIN, RED 40.
http://www.smuckers.com/fg/ict/default.asp?groupid=4&catid=48&prodid=94

Wow, that looks familiar.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
The myth here is that a hamburger at a fast food place is any less healthy than a burger anywhere else. That's just not true.

Right, that is why the ingredients for their strawberry topping contains ZERO strawberries. 100% lab made flavoring.. don't try to explain this.. it's already been explained. Fast food places are sh!t.

Do you normally make sh!t up?

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller...tion.categories.ingredients.index.html
Strawberry Topping: Strawberries, sugar, water, high fructose corn syrup, natural strawberry flavor with other natural flavors (fruit source), citric acid, pectin, sodium benzoate as a preservative, locust bean gum, FD&C red #40, calcium chloride.

WTF does strawberry topping have to do with burgers anyhow?

Nothing at all. For all of his rant he still has no valid proof that the beef sold at McDonalds is any different than the beef sold in supermarkets.

And that, after all, was the basis of this thread.

from Burger King's website

Corn Syrup, Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), and Colored with Red #40. <--- ZERO strawberries.

So McDonalds uses a few strawberries along with all their chemicals.. at home mine are 100%... don't tell me theirs are just as healthy as my real ones without chemicals.

And both are the same as MOST strawberry toppings people buy in supermarkets and use at home. Hell, have you seen what's in Strawberry Quik?

And which chemicals in those are so evil and deadly?

Yes, it's complete trash food also I would never touch it. All that processed junk is trash food.

Doctors have been saying for a long time to their patients to not do fast food or things like TV dinners or Quik Milk.... instead people just listen to the drug commercials that run every night for prevacid and the like.


They are not dealy chemicals, but they help with why drugs like prevacid get prime time commercial spots.

High Fructose Corn Syrup
If you really want me to explain why fructose is worse then glucose I can... but how bout we just list a few and call it good.

Fructose converts more to fat then any other type of sugar
Fructose does not cause the pancreas to release insulin into the body normally.
Fructose can lead to copper anemia, which can effect arteries the inability to control blood level and..... high cholesterol levels.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Amused
You do understand that your homemade strawberry topping has NO shelf life? You could not ship it and sell it. Not only that, but it doesn't look as appetizing as the ones sold in supermarkets and restaurants.

Example:

The number one store bought ice cream topping from Smuckers:

STRAWBERRIES, CORN SYRUP, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, SUGAR, WATER, CITRIC ACID, PECTIN, RED 40.
http://www.smuckers.com/fg/ict/default.asp?groupid=4&catid=48&prodid=94

Wow, that looks familiar.

I understand completly that the shelf life is not long... but I understand that my liver, pancreas and other vital organ life is just that much longer. But then again I make my serving right there on the spot and do not store it.

yes it does look firmiliar doesn't it... and fat americans with pill bottles look even more firmiliar every day also.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
The myth here is that a hamburger at a fast food place is any less healthy than a burger anywhere else. That's just not true.

Right, that is why the ingredients for their strawberry topping contains ZERO strawberries. 100% lab made flavoring.. don't try to explain this.. it's already been explained. Fast food places are sh!t.

Do you normally make sh!t up?

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller...tion.categories.ingredients.index.html
Strawberry Topping: Strawberries, sugar, water, high fructose corn syrup, natural strawberry flavor with other natural flavors (fruit source), citric acid, pectin, sodium benzoate as a preservative, locust bean gum, FD&C red #40, calcium chloride.

WTF does strawberry topping have to do with burgers anyhow?

Nothing at all. For all of his rant he still has no valid proof that the beef sold at McDonalds is any different than the beef sold in supermarkets.

And that, after all, was the basis of this thread.

from Burger King's website

Corn Syrup, Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), and Colored with Red #40. <--- ZERO strawberries.

So McDonalds uses a few strawberries along with all their chemicals.. at home mine are 100%... don't tell me theirs are just as healthy as my real ones without chemicals.

And both are the same as MOST strawberry toppings people buy in supermarkets and use at home. Hell, have you seen what's in Strawberry Quik?

And which chemicals in those are so evil and deadly?

Yes, it's complete trash food also I would never touch it. All that processed junk is trash food.

Doctors have been saying for a long time to their patients to not do fast food or things like TV dinners or Quik Milk.... instead people just listen to the drug commercials that run every night for prevacid and the like.


They are not dealy chemicals, but they help with why drugs like prevacid get prime time commercial spots.

High Fructose Corn Syrup
If you really want me to explain why fructose is worse then glucose I can... but how bout we just list a few and call it good.

Fructose converts more to fat then any other type of sugar
Fructose does not cause the pancreas to release insulin into the body normally.
Fructose can lead to copper anemia, which can effect arteries the inability to control blood level and..... high cholesterol levels.

Again, the point of this thread is the idea that fast food (particularly burgers), vs the same foods cooked the same way at home cause higher cholersteral counts.

That is absurd. Most people don't make their own strawberry toppings. They buy bottled or canned.

So your argument is moot. And my point has been proven. Fast food is the SAME as prepared food anywhere. You pointed at fast food toppings as if they were SINGULARLY evil. I have shown they are the same as the most popular store bought toppings. The same as most toppings sold in ice cream shops.

Strange how when I proved you wrong, you changed the argument.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
You do understand that your homemade strawberry topping has NO shelf life? You could not ship it and sell it. Not only that, but it doesn't look as appetizing as the ones sold in supermarkets and restaurants.

Example:

The number one store bought ice cream topping from Smuckers:

STRAWBERRIES, CORN SYRUP, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, SUGAR, WATER, CITRIC ACID, PECTIN, RED 40.
http://www.smuckers.com/fg/ict/default.asp?groupid=4&catid=48&prodid=94

Wow, that looks familiar.

I understand completly that the shelf life is not long... but I understand that my liver, pancreas and other vital organ life is just that much longer. But then again I make my serving right there on the spot and do not store it.

yes it does look firmiliar doesn't it... and fat americans with pill bottles look even more firmiliar every day also.

Yeah yeah yeah. Funny how you change the argument when I prove you wrong.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
You do understand that your homemade strawberry topping has NO shelf life? You could not ship it and sell it. Not only that, but it doesn't look as appetizing as the ones sold in supermarkets and restaurants.

Example:

The number one store bought ice cream topping from Smuckers:

STRAWBERRIES, CORN SYRUP, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, SUGAR, WATER, CITRIC ACID, PECTIN, RED 40.
http://www.smuckers.com/fg/ict/default.asp?groupid=4&catid=48&prodid=94

Wow, that looks familiar.

I understand completly that the shelf life is not long... but I understand that my liver, pancreas and other vital organ life is just that much longer. But then again I make my serving right there on the spot and do not store it.

yes it does look firmiliar doesn't it... and fat americans with pill bottles look even more firmiliar every day also.

Yeah yeah yeah. Funny how you change the argument when I prove you wrong.

My arguement never changed... in what way did it change?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Amused
The myth here is that a hamburger at a fast food place is any less healthy than a burger anywhere else. That's just not true.

Right, that is why the ingredients for their strawberry topping contains ZERO strawberries. 100% lab made flavoring.. don't try to explain this.. it's already been explained. Fast food places are sh!t.

Do you normally make sh!t up?

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller...tion.categories.ingredients.index.html
Strawberry Topping: Strawberries, sugar, water, high fructose corn syrup, natural strawberry flavor with other natural flavors (fruit source), citric acid, pectin, sodium benzoate as a preservative, locust bean gum, FD&C red #40, calcium chloride.

WTF does strawberry topping have to do with burgers anyhow?

Nothing at all. For all of his rant he still has no valid proof that the beef sold at McDonalds is any different than the beef sold in supermarkets.

And that, after all, was the basis of this thread.

from Burger King's website

Corn Syrup, Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), and Colored with Red #40. <--- ZERO strawberries.

So McDonalds uses a few strawberries along with all their chemicals.. at home mine are 100%... don't tell me theirs are just as healthy as my real ones without chemicals.

And both are the same as MOST strawberry toppings people buy in supermarkets and use at home. Hell, have you seen what's in Strawberry Quik?

And which chemicals in those are so evil and deadly?

Yes, it's complete trash food also I would never touch it. All that processed junk is trash food.

Doctors have been saying for a long time to their patients to not do fast food or things like TV dinners or Quik Milk.... instead people just listen to the drug commercials that run every night for prevacid and the like.


They are not dealy chemicals, but they help with why drugs like prevacid get prime time commercial spots.

High Fructose Corn Syrup
If you really want me to explain why fructose is worse then glucose I can... but how bout we just list a few and call it good.

Fructose converts more to fat then any other type of sugar
Fructose does not cause the pancreas to release insulin into the body normally.
Fructose can lead to copper anemia, which can effect arteries the inability to control blood level and..... high cholesterol levels.

Again, the point of this thread is the idea that fast food (particularly burgers), vs the same foods cooked the same way at home cause higher cholersteral counts.

That is absurd. Most people don't make their own strawberry toppings. They buy bottled or canned.

So your argument is moot. And my point has been proven. Fast food is the SAME as prepared food anywhere. You pointed at fast food toppings as if they were SINGULARLY evil. I have shown they are the same as the most popular store bought toppings. The same as most toppings sold in ice cream shops.

Strange how when I proved you wrong, you changed the argument.

FWIW, my canned strawberry jelly has an excellent shelf life and have only the following ingredients:

Strawberries, Thompson grapes, grape and pear concentrate, fruit pectin.

So, it's not the same anywhere. Better restaurants use better ingredients, and I can go to a few dozen restaurants a few miles from my home and find anything that is not prepared with additives of any kind. It's a decision the restaurateur and consumer has to make. I truly hate how lazy people have become when it comes to their nutrition.

So, to wrap things up:

1) A lack of additives doesn't necessarily mean a poor shelf life.
2) Prepared food is not the same anywhere. There are a great number of people that actually care about what they put into their bodies regardless of whether or not there are peer-reviewed studies linking certain things to cancer in rats.

I'm not arguing with you as I know it's not going to lead anywhere, but don't ignore or pretend that there aren't options. You will ultimately resort to the "the additives, etc. aren't harmful" argument, and that's certainly fine if that's what you believe. I disagree of course.

[edit]Sorry, I know I just contributed to the topic change in this thread.[/edit]

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Amused
Again, the point of this thread is the idea that fast food (particularly burgers), vs the same foods cooked the same way at home cause higher cholersteral counts.

That is absurd. Most people don't make their own strawberry toppings. They buy bottled or canned.

So your argument is moot. And my point has been proven. Fast food is the SAME as prepared food anywhere. You pointed at fast food toppings as if they were SINGULARLY evil. I have shown they are the same as the most popular store bought toppings. The same as most toppings sold in ice cream shops.

Strange how when I proved you wrong, you changed the argument.

Actually the OP mentions nothing of burgers, it's you who hijacked the thread and made your own rules.

In actually sticking to the OP my point is that fast food is junk... just because it shares much of the shelf trash that is at the supermarket does make my argument moot or invalid.

 

[edmundoab]

This Reminds me of another Super Size me story

 

[sinucus]

Let's really put into perspective what a McDonalds diet really consists of.


The "healthy" alternative

Newman's Own® Ranch Dressing

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
290 270 30

Grilled Chicken California Cobb Salad 10.7 oz(302 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
270 100 11

A very simple salad with most common dressing.

Total cals 560
Total Cals from fat 370
Total fat 41!

The normal meal

Quarter Pounder® with Cheese+ 7.0 oz(199 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
540 260 29

Large French Fries 6.2 oz(176 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
540 230 26

Total cals 1080
Total Cals from fat 490
Total fat 55

ripped from here

As you can see what most people assume is the "healthy" alternative at McD's isn't actually healthy at all. The simple truth of it is that fast food is BAD. Plain and simple.

*fast-food free for 10+ years now.
**link didn't work the first time.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: sinucus
Let's really put into perspective what a McDonalds diet really consists of.


The "healthy" alternative

Newman's Own® Ranch Dressing

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
290 270 30

Grilled Chicken California Cobb Salad 10.7 oz(302 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
270 100 11

A very simple salad with most common dressing.

Total cals 560
Total Cals from fat 370
Total fat 41!

The normal meal

Quarter Pounder® with Cheese+ 7.0 oz(199 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
540 260 29

Large French Fries 6.2 oz(176 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
540 230 26

Total cals 1080
Total Cals from fat 490
Total fat 55

ripped from here

As you can see what most people assume is the "healthy" alternative at McD's isn't actually healthy at all. The simple truth of it is that fast food is BAD. Plain and simple.

*fast-food free for 10+ years now.
**link didn't work the first time.

This has been argued already in this thread, but it's not really valid. Any salad that piles on the ranch is going to have a lot of calories and fat. Amused has pointed this out, and I agree in that respect. This doesn't make fast food inherently bad; rather, it makes the consumers choice bad.

In the end, it's really all calories. There are some, albeit very few imo, healthy choices at fast food restaurants, so knowing that is true there's no argument for fast food being inherently bad. This only leaves the argument to the quality of the food itself, and this is what most people consider to be most detrimental to the health of the consumer. Trans fats are the most obvious and recent example of adulteration that has occurred in our food supply, mainly fast foods, that have known human detriment.

So, that's the argument. Most people would have argued that trans fats weren't an issue before it became widely known to be otherwise, and people are arguing now that everything we have added to our food supply isn't an issue now. This leaves us with an apparent dichotomy of those who wish to have unadultered food supply and those that are indifferent or even supportive.

That's how I see it anyway.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sinucus
Let's really put into perspective what a McDonalds diet really consists of.


The "healthy" alternative

Newman's Own® Ranch Dressing

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
290 270 30

Grilled Chicken California Cobb Salad 10.7 oz(302 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
270 100 11

A very simple salad with most common dressing.

Total cals 560
Total Cals from fat 370
Total fat 41!

The normal meal

Quarter Pounder® with Cheese+ 7.0 oz(199 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
540 260 29

Large French Fries 6.2 oz(176 g)

Cal Cal from Fat Fat
540 230 26

Total cals 1080
Total Cals from fat 490
Total fat 55

ripped from here

As you can see what most people assume is the "healthy" alternative at McD's isn't actually healthy at all. The simple truth of it is that fast food is BAD. Plain and simple.

*fast-food free for 10+ years now.
**link didn't work the first time.

You do realize that those are the same basic numbers you'll find for any cobb salad with grilled chicken at any restaurant? Hell, those are the numbers for any cobb salad you make at home, as well.

Why? Because a proper cobb salad has blue cheese, eggs and bacon bits. A cobb salad is only marginally healthier. There are better salads to choose.

I also notice you made no distinction between saturated fats and unsaturated fats. Curiously you seem to feel all fat is bad for you.

 

[Amused]

Folks, I have summed it up over and over again and proven all claims singling out fast food as some unique super evil food to be false.

The ingredients in fast food is no worse than the average food people buy at supermarkets and the vast majority of restaurants. Yes, there are "healthier" alternatives, but that isn't the point in this thread. Why? Because the OP originally claimed his diet did not change, he merely stopped eating fast food but ate the same foods at home and at restaurants. I have proven that wrong and with further prodding early in the thread, the OP did admit that his overall diet DID change. But that didn't stop people from continuing to claim that fast food is somehow so much worse than the SAME foods bought in supermarkets. I have, time and time again proven that wrong as well... only to have the standards changed to home made toppings vs the most popular topping bought in supermarkets and raw foods vs processed pre-prepared foods. An invalid comparison FOR THIS THREAD.

So the facts are this: From the beef patties to the fruit fscking toppings, the foods at fast food restaurants are the same the vast majority of people and restaurants serve.

So for the cholesterol numbers of the OP to have dropped so dramatically, he HAD to change his overall diet, not merely stopped eating fast food while eating much the same foods at home and other restaurants.

 

[KingGheedora]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: SampSon
Amused, you cannot sit there and honestly claim that McDonalds food is equal in quality to food you make at home.

My french fries: Hand sliced potatoes from a 10 lbs bag.

McDonalds fries: French Fries:
Potatoes, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, natural flavor (beef, wheat and dairy sources), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (to preserve natural color). Cooked in partially hydrogenated vegetable oils (may contain partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated corn oil and/or partially hydrogenated canola oil and/or cottonseed oil and/or sunflower oil and/or corn oil). Contains derivatives of wheat and dairy.

My chicken nuggets: Boneless chicken breasts or filets cut into strips or chunks and dredged in flour, salt, pepper, and paprika.

McDonalds chicken nuggets: Chicken McNuggets® Made with White Meat:
Boneless chicken breast, water, modified cornstarch, salt, chicken flavor (yeast extract, salt, wheat starch, natural flavoring (animal source), safflower oil, dextrose, citric acid, rosemary), sodium phosphates, seasoning (natural extractives of rosemary, canola and/or soybean oil, mono-and diglycerides, and soy lecithin). Battered and Breaded with: Water, enriched bleached wheat flour (flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), yellow corn flour, bleached wheat flour, modified corn starch, salt, leavening (baking soda, sodium acid pyrophosphate, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate, calcium lactate), spices, wheat starch, whey, corn starch. Breading set in vegetable oil. Cooked in partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, (may contain partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated corn oil and/or partially hydrogenated canola oil and/or cottonseed oil and/or sunflower oil and/or corn oil). Contains wheat, milk and soybean ingredients.

or you could go with the "Chicken Selects": Chicken Selects® Premium Breast Strips:
Chicken breast strip fritters with rib meat containing: Up to 25% of a solution of water, modified food starch, salt, monosodium glutamate, sodium phosphates, chicken broth, natural flavor (vegetable and animal source), maltodextrin, spice, autolyzed yeast, chicken fat, polysorbate 80, gum arabic. Breaded with: Wheat flour, water, modified corn starch, salt, spices, leavening (sodium bicarbonate, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate), garlic powder, onion powder, dextrose, spice extractive, and extractives of paprika. Cooked in partially hydrogenated vegetable oils (may contain partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated corn oil and/or partially hydrogenated canola oil and/or cottonseed oil and/or sunflower oil and/or corn oil). Contains wheat ingredients.

My scrambled eggs: Two eggs bought daily from the farmer down the street or 2 Grade A eggs from the store.

McDonalds scambled eggs: Scrambled Eggs (2):
Pasteurized whole eggs with sodium pyrophosphate, citric acid, monosodium phosphate ? all added to preserve color, nisin. Liquid Margarine: Liquid soybean oil, water, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, salt, hydrogenated cottonseed oil, vegetable monoglycerides and soy lecithin (emulsifiers), sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate (preservatives), artificial flavor, vitamin A palmitate, colored with beta carotene (source of vitamin A). Contains soybean ingredients.

My fish filet: Choice of white fish filet from the market.

McDonalds fish filet: Fish Filet Patty:
Pollock or Hoki, bleached wheat flour, water, modified corn starch, yellow corn flour, salt, whey, sugar, dextrose, dried yeast, disodium pyrophosphate, sodium pyrophosphate, sodium tripolyphosphate, cellulose gum, colored with extractives of paprika and turmeric, natural flavoring (vegetable source). Cooked in partially hydrogenated vegetable oils (may contain partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated corn oil and/or partially hydrogenated canola oil and/or cottonseed oil and/or sunflower oil and/or corn oil). Contains wheat, milk and fish (Polluck or Hoki) ingredients.

My Chicken sandwich: Boneless chicken breasts or filets, pounded flat and dredged in flour, salt, pepper and paprika.

McDonalds chicken sandwich (crispy): Crispy Chicken Breast Filet:
Boneless, skinless chicken breast filets with rib meat. Contains: Up to 29.3% of a solution of water, seasoning (salt, modified food starch, spices, carrageenan, spice extractives), sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: Wheat flour, water, modified corn starch, bleached wheat flour, salt, spice, wheat gluten, egg white solids, dextrose, yeast, leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, sodium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate). Breading set in vegetable oil. Cooked in partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, (may contain partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated corn oil and/or partially hydrogenated canola oil and/or cottonseed oil and/or sunflower oil and/or corn oil). Contains wheat and egg ingredients.

So in your kitchen you regularly use preservatives like that, in thoes amounts when you cook your food? The meat you get cut fresh from the butcher is loaded with preservatives, water, and flavorings like it is at McDonalds? If you continue to claim that McDonalds food is on par with fresh market food then you are continueing to propagate a fallacy, or a myth as you like to call it.
Though one of the items on that list that has no real list of additives is the Beef patties, and the grade A eggs, so I'll give ya that.

You also claim grilled chicken sandwiches to be a healthy choice...

Grilled Chicken Breast Filet:
Boneless, skinless chicken breast filets with rib meat, colored with paprika and caramel color added. Contains: Up to 20% of a solution of water, seasoning [salt, sugar, modified corn starch, maltodextrin, spices, dextrose, autolyzed yeast, hydrolyzed (corn gluten, soy, wheat gluten) proteins, garlic powder, paprika, chicken fat, chicken broth, natural flavors (animal and vegetable source), caramel color, polysorbate 80, xanthan gum, onion powder, extractives of paprika], modified food starch, sodium phosphates. Grilled with liquid margarine. Contains wheat and soybean ingredients.

sorry, not when injected with the amount of preservatives they put in there, though it is tad lower than their other fare, it's still garbage compared to a piece of grilled chicken at my home.

So you can continuously and endlessly defend fast food with convicted fervor, but you're just flat out wrong about the contents and nutritional measure of McDonalds food vs home cooked meals. Personally I enjoy the taste of fast food, I have nothing against it. Though I do mind when you come in, claim to be more than a laymen with nutrition and compare fast food to home cooked meals.

dude. do you eat your 'fresh' food raw? because that's what you're basically claiming.

try cooking and preparing it and get back to us with that ingredient list.

And also, Sampson, most people eat the beef burgers, plus fries, and a soda when they go to a fast food joint. So your chicken comparisons are mostly irrelevant. Sure they have the choice of eating the chicken, and fish, but most don't.

Edit: fixed a typo

 

[sinucus]

Originally posted by: Descartes

This has been argued already in this thread, but it's not really valid. Any salad that piles on the ranch is going to have a lot of calories and fat. Amused has pointed this out, and I agree in that respect. This doesn't make fast food inherently bad; rather, it makes the consumers choice bad.

In the end, it's really all calories. There are some, albeit very few imo, healthy choices at fast food restaurants, so knowing that is true there's no argument for fast food being inherently bad. This only leaves the argument to the quality of the food itself, and this is what most people consider to be most detrimental to the health of the consumer. Trans fats are the most obvious and recent example of adulteration that has occurred in our food supply, mainly fast foods, that have known human detriment.

So, that's the argument. Most people would have argued that trans fats weren't an issue before it became widely known to be otherwise, and people are arguing now that everything we have added to our food supply isn't an issue now. This leaves us with an apparent dichotomy of those who wish to have unadultered food supply and those that are indifferent or even supportive.

That's how I see it anyway.

My point was to explain that while it is still up to the consumer to understand what makes up a healthy diet, there still lies some fault in the fast food industry. The equipment used at McD's is not the same that you would use at your home. Most people would fire grill their burgers instead of letting them stew in their own fat on the flat grill. Most people would bake their french fries in the oven instead of deep frying them in oil. The "home" method of cooking is flat out healthier for you. Lastly, most people buy better food at the grocery store than the steroid pumped, GM'd cows that McD's buys. According to their own documentation not all of their burgers are even 100% beef, some contain fillers and other ingredients.

Ultimatly it is up to the consumer to have a healthy balanced diet. As a vegitarian who buys mostly organic food at Whole Food's I have a certain bias against pre-processed foods from the grocery store or the stuff that you get served at fast food joints. Pure food that you know how it was made and what it is made OF is better.

We could talk for days about the adverse health effects of artificial sweeteners, High Fructose Corn Syrup, preservatives, artifical flavors and flavor enhancers, but that is left for another topic. Life is mainly about moderation, it's OK to eat that Quater pounder with cheese or processed foods with ingredient lists that fill the entire wrapper, but it should not constitute your entire diet.

I think the simple truth that was trying to be put across were two points. Over indulgence of any kind is not healthy and Fast food is generally worse for your health than the "home" cooked version.

I commend the OP for trying to do something about his health and think that he should stay the track.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sinucus
Lastly, most people buy better food at the grocery store than the steroid pumped, GM'd cows that McD's buys. According to their own documentation not all of their burgers are even 100% beef, some contain fillers and other ingredients.

You have no proof of this claim whatsoever. It's bullsh!t. The ground beef used at McDonald's is no different than the ground beef sold in supermarkets.

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Beef Patty:
100% pure USDA inspected beef; no additives, no fillers, no extenders.

Why do these myths endure?

Fast food is generally worse for your health than the "home" cooked version.

More bullsh!t. The OP already admitted that his diet DID change overall.

A burger is a burger whether bought at a supermarket and grilled at home or cooked at McDonald's. I already posted the nutritional info of both store bought ground beef and fast food burgers and proved that to be the case. In fact, the cooked McDonald's beef patty was fairly lean by ground beef standards.

And deep fried french fries are the same, cooked at home, or at a restaurant. The fact of the matter is, the frozen fries most people replace fast food with, have just as much fat and trans fats as the fast food version.

The OP stopped eating fries altogether and replaced them with other sides. His diet did NOT remain the same.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Amused
A burger is a burger whether bought at a supermarket and grilled at home or cooked at McDonald's. I already posted the nutritional info of both store bought ground beef and fast food burgers and proved that to be the case. In fact, the cooked McDonald's beef patty was fairly lean by ground beef standards.

So you are saying that a USDA buger that is 80/20 is as healthy as a 93/7?

Edit... and before you start the fat amount being "Fairly lean" remember those burgers are all WELL DONE. Some of us don't like to eat hockey pucks so we go for 93/7.

And deep fried french fries are the same, cooked at home, or at a restaurant. The fact of the matter is, the frozen fries most people replace fast food with, have just as much fat and trans fats as the fast food version.

So you are saying vegtable oil is as healthy as olive oil?


Just because you can make a choice to eat junk or healthy at a supermarket does not immunize those fast food places from being bad for you.

You hijacked the thread and made it your own point to say that the pre-processed food at the market and at some other eat outs were the same. No one has denied you that. But what you don't understand is that still admits guilt for those fast food places using junk foods.