Nothinman
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What ideas? You mean like ad blocking, real cookie management, tabbed browsing, real CSS support, etc? Oh wait, IE will only be getting some of those with XP SP2 and that's only because Mozilla is putting pressure on them otherwise I have no doubts in my mind that Microsoft would have let IE stagnate until Longhorn. The only thing IE does well is render sh!tty HTML and that's of little value these days as just about every site I visit is nearly perfect in Gecko.
rh71
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CTRL-ENTER gives you an idea. It was IE exclusive. I don't fault Firefox for taking the best of breed stuff though. Regardless, it's not why I don't like Firefox... I already stated why and someone threw back a notepad reference (which was conveniently left out of the quote history). :roll:
I even credited FF with a couple ideas of their own so I don't see why so many I-WANT-TO-BE-DIFFERENT users are offended.
You know why ctrl-enter is being used? Because people complained that it wasn't their.
So I point out that Mosiac was original creator of the graphical browser and that Netscape and Internet explorer was based off of it.
For example:
Innovations introduced by Netscape 2.0:
Frames.
Java support.
Javascripting.
Plug-ins.
And your ctrl-enter is PROOF? That's ridiculous. It's a damn key-combo. That's like saying that Firefox ripped off IE because one of the icons is a blue-ish color.
And they didn't do "best of breed", Mozilla IS Netscape.
Mosiac ----> Netscape 1.0 ---> Netscape 2.0 ---> Netscape 3.0 ---> Netscape 4.0 ----> Mozilla.
I want-to-be-different?
Get a grip, when your wrong your wrong, get over it. I am not offended, I am in a state of incredulious shock.
I don't care why you like Explorer. I didn't say anything of the sort. I didn't mention it, and you bringing it up has absolutely no relevence to anything I said, even remotely. Personally I couldn't give a sh1t less about what browser you prefer. What I was talking about was your statement of "Firefox stole IE's ideas and then added a few more of their own."
I just wanted to put the record straight because I was afraid that some poor soul might make a mistake and think you have a even a remote clue about what your talking about.
Go ahead use IE, I don't care. I didn't care, and I won't care what browser anybody chooses to use (well with the exception of the users that I help out when IE craps all over their systems. I tell them to use Firefox or Mozila, along with showing them howto use adaware, spybot, showing them howto keep their software up-to-date and making them buy anti-virus protection.). Your making the mistake that you think that everyone that dissagrees with your statements must be a raving pro-Firefox lunatic. No, they just disagree with you.
So I point out that Mosiac was original creator of the graphical browser and that Netscape and Internet explorer was based off of it.
For example:
Innovations introduced by Netscape 2.0:
Frames.
Java support.
Javascripting.
Plug-ins.
And your ctrl-enter is PROOF? That's ridiculous. It's a damn key-combo. That's like saying that Firefox ripped off IE because one of the icons is a blue-ish color.
And they didn't do "best of breed", Mozilla IS Netscape.
Mosiac ----> Netscape 1.0 ---> Netscape 2.0 ---> Netscape 3.0 ---> Netscape 4.0 ----> Mozilla.
I want-to-be-different?
Get a grip, when your wrong your wrong, get over it. I am not offended, I am in a state of incredulious shock.
I don't care why you like Explorer. I didn't say anything of the sort. I didn't mention it, and you bringing it up has absolutely no relevence to anything I said, even remotely. Personally I couldn't give a sh1t less about what browser you prefer. What I was talking about was your statement of "Firefox stole IE's ideas and then added a few more of their own."
I just wanted to put the record straight because I was afraid that some poor soul might make a mistake and think you have a even a remote clue about what your talking about.
Go ahead use IE, I don't care. I didn't care, and I won't care what browser anybody chooses to use (well with the exception of the users that I help out when IE craps all over their systems. I tell them to use Firefox or Mozila, along with showing them howto use adaware, spybot, showing them howto keep their software up-to-date and making them buy anti-virus protection.). Your making the mistake that you think that everyone that dissagrees with your statements must be a raving pro-Firefox lunatic. No, they just disagree with you.
this browser rocks...doubt i'll ever go back to IE, unless they tab it 
(and fix the security issues properly)
(and fix the security issues properly)I used to use firefox but after reading the comments about Opera I decided to test it out, and all I can say is wow! This browser is just as fast or faster than firefox and has less compatibility issues than firefox. Plus the adds in the free version are hardly noticeable, just two links on the top of the page. This is my new browser!!!!! Just wish I could change my vote in the poll now. PLUS it has a popup blocker also
I agree, if you like opera go ahead and pay for it. It's worth it, plus then your helping make sure that the company will continue to make fast browsers.
Jeff7
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It's alright, I guess. A few things are a little different than IE:
- In the address bar - clicking once will highlight everything. Good.
Clicking and dragging within the highlighted text will highlight just the text that has been dragged over. That's also good.
Firefox doesn't do this. You need to first unhighlight the line before highlighting a small section.
- Opening a new window takes you back to your home page, not the page you were just on. I guess this is a matter of perference, but I for one do not like this.
- Not so much a problem with Firefox, but a problem nonetheless: Google's toolbar, with its marvelous Autofill function doesn't work with Firefox. Firefox needs an autofill function of its own.
- Mouse wheel scrolling is slower - it moves 4 lines at a time. In IE, it moves 6 lines. No idea why there would be a difference like this.
Other than that, it looks pretty good. It won't display my Tesla Coil pages at my website, don't know why yet. When I get a chance to recode it, I will. It uses frames right now. I'd love to be able to integrate the menu right into the individual pages, like Anandtech does for the category listing. But with my current knowledge of HTML, if I want to implement one change in the menus, I need to edit every single individual HTML file on my site. There is a way around this, but I don't even know what it is called, or what to look for to find out.
I guess I'll have to check to see if there's a suggestion box or something for Firefox.
- In the address bar - clicking once will highlight everything. Good.
Clicking and dragging within the highlighted text will highlight just the text that has been dragged over. That's also good.
Firefox doesn't do this. You need to first unhighlight the line before highlighting a small section.
- Opening a new window takes you back to your home page, not the page you were just on. I guess this is a matter of perference, but I for one do not like this.
- Not so much a problem with Firefox, but a problem nonetheless: Google's toolbar, with its marvelous Autofill function doesn't work with Firefox. Firefox needs an autofill function of its own.
- Mouse wheel scrolling is slower - it moves 4 lines at a time. In IE, it moves 6 lines. No idea why there would be a difference like this.
Other than that, it looks pretty good. It won't display my Tesla Coil pages at my website, don't know why yet. When I get a chance to recode it, I will. It uses frames right now. I'd love to be able to integrate the menu right into the individual pages, like Anandtech does for the category listing. But with my current knowledge of HTML, if I want to implement one change in the menus, I need to edit every single individual HTML file on my site. There is a way around this, but I don't even know what it is called, or what to look for to find out.
I guess I'll have to check to see if there's a suggestion box or something for Firefox.
True.
It's a bug*. There's an extension that does it, I believe, but I forget the name.
*It's under debate. It isn't happening largely because people don't want to add it until full window-cloning support is added (in IE - ctrl+n gives you a new window with history and everything, but in Moz, you don't get the history of the old window in a new one).
You did some WEIRD stuff with frames. http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/jeff7.html <-- fixed
"irefox stole IE's ideas and then added a few more of their own. " ... ahhahhahahahah
that's the best post i've read today.
that's the best post i've read today.
looking at polls like this, I have to wonder about the accuracy of "95% of everyone uses IE so stop compalining its the standard"
Nothinman
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Well google is probably visited by a lot more people than anandtech, sadly their polls seem to give different results.
http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html
This is a tech site, so it's not surprising that most pple here have amd systems (a poll i had up a few weeks ago) or using less popular browsers.
Majority of the average users run Pentiums, use Interent Explorer, pay for AOL, and think that adding ram will solve any problem their computer has.
The bottom line is, polls on anandtech doubtfully represent the general public... so the 95% statistic can very well be accurate.
Well.. Firefox is making a big splash this month. (relatively) I've noticed non-techie and semi-techi sites refer to it. My roomate (girl) saw some housewifes discussing it on various yahoo forums: "Well, my husband is using this thing called firefox, have you ever heard of that before? You think I should use it?"
A nice site famous for vert bad british flash animation (and some pretty good) recently voted it as their browser of choice (b3ta.com)
Kim Kommando, a weekend computer-help type talkshow for non-technical people recently recommended it in her "shareware pick of the week", and advised people to use it instead of Internet Explorer. (they even pointed out that it wasn't technically shareware, but free software. Didn't go into details so much after that) It was enternaining enough to wait for on a slow 4th of July sunday. "Cert recommended you stop using Internet Explorer, and I'll mention a alternative during the shareware pick of the week section upcomming at the top of the next hour."
I seen on TV, I think... Don't remember.
But these are all the non-technical layman type, but still computer related things I've seen (among others). Traditionally all these have been dominated by "oh you go and download this and this utility for Windows" type things. Never mention anything remotely about Linux or anything releated except as technical filler and passing (very passing) reference.
So out of all free software it's going to be the most likely project that people will know by name, besides "Linux" in the most generic sense, but I suppose only about 10% or so of people currently ever heard of it. Hard to say.
Browser polls themselves, even Google's, are notoriously innaccurate. Identifying browsers by agent strings is pretty much a voodoo type thing. And then you have the 3-5% "unknown" factor you can play around with.
But you'd be fooling yourself if you think that Explorer has anywere less then 90-93% of the browser market locked down. It's just not going to happen. To much mind share.
This is a extremely technically oriented forums. Specificly for software, especially. So your going to have people trying out new things continously. Also on any techinical feild your going to see much higher Free software usage. Engineering conventions, Astronomy, Networking, Ham radio, etc etc, your going to see a much higher percentage-wise acceptance of alternative software and OSes.
rh71
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You asked like what... so did they thievage ctrl-enter from IE or not ? If the answer is yes, then they stole an idea from IE which is what I said. :roll:
You guys are gonna need kneepads pretty soon if you keep sucking up to Mozilla. I'm not saying it's inferior to IE or the other way around. I'm sick of this "Firefox is the almighty" crap when things like this are done and you guys don't even want to admit it. Need I point out the published/documented buglist for FF the almighty too ? No hacker in their right mind would yet waste time on a browser being used in 1% of the population... false sense of security is what you're all high on.
Party on... don't let me rain on your parade at this point.
Nothinman
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If keyboard shortcuts are to be considered stolen, then what about all of the 'compatibility' shortcuts in IE for Netscape users and Word for WordPerfect users? I guess that also means that Chevrolet stole the idea for the steering wheel from Ford and should be reprimanded?
No, it's open to the public. It would be a real feat if you could point out the buglist for IE.
Works for me, false or not I have no problems with spyware, browser hijacking or any of the other problems that plague IE without a slew of protection software.
It would take a lot more than your clueless posts to bring me down.
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