Just got a PS3... my initial impressions from a 360 user

[slayer202]

uncharted 2 and metal gear solid 4

NOW!

would have mentioned little big planet too but you already have that. Ratchet and Clank isn't a bad idea either

 

[dougp]

Jesus, my price was freaking $15 off retail and that's all people seem to pick up on? Fuck, SORRY, don't get your panties in a twist over a simple price mistake. My point being is the 360 has multiple price points for it's controllers where the PS3 doesn't.

 

[gorcorps]

uncharted 2 and metal gear solid 4

NOW!

would have mentioned little big planet too but you already have that. Ratchet and Clank isn't a bad idea either

See I just don't think MGS4 is for me. At $20 it seems like a good deal but I haven't played MGS since 2 and even then I was just a kid who skipped all the story... So I have no idea what's happening.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Jesus, my price was freaking $15 off retail and that's all people seem to pick up on? Fuck, SORRY, don't get your panties in a twist over a simple price mistake. My point being is the 360 has multiple price points for it's controllers where the PS3 doesn't.

Sure it does. There are several different options for PS3 controllers. You can get wired controllers as low as $20.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

See I just don't think MGS4 is for me. At $20 it seems like a good deal but I haven't played MGS since 2 and even then I was just a kid who skipped all the story... So I have no idea what's happening.

I'd recommend God of War -- the Collection if you've never played I or II, and definitely GoW III. MLB 10 The Show is good as well.

 

[gorcorps]

I'd recommend God of War -- the Collection if you've never played I or II, and definitely GoW III. MLB 10 The Show is good as well.

I was playing with that idea too. I've played 1 but not 2, and gamestop currently has a pack of the GOW collection + controller for $60. I'm gonna need another controller eventually so really it's just the game for $5.

 

[purbeast0]

mgs4 isn't even worth renting for $5 or whatever IMO.

i actually got rid of my copy due to one of these threads.

 

[pontifex]

mgs4 isn't even worth renting for $5 or whatever IMO.

i actually got rid of my copy due to one of these threads.

MGS4 was fucking amazing.

 

[Terzo]

Jesus, my price was freaking $15 off retail and that's all people seem to pick up on? Fuck, SORRY, don't get your panties in a twist over a simple price mistake. My point being is the 360 has multiple price points for it's controllers where the PS3 doesn't.

That's because you were arguing with Hans, so we don't really give a crap about your other points. However, it's easy to see such a this mistake and point it out, no opinions needed. And you can easily find them for $45 at retailers like Newegg and Amazon, so it's more like you are $25 off. Plus, how the hell do you make a price "mistake" like that? It's fine if you are exaggerating but we'll call you on your BS if you're pulling numbers out of your ass.

Sure it does. There are several different options for PS3 controllers. You can get wired controllers as low as $20.

Are those official Sony controllers? If they are that's fair enough, but I assume he's referring to microsoft controllers being available for the 360. I wouldn't really know though, not owning a 360 and all.

 

[mugs]

No, I'm looking at it from the perspective of every other person I've met with a 360. The HDD is necessary for them. As for people I've talked to (via forums, for example), I'm having a hard time thinking of a case where someone outright said "I don't have a HDD for my 360 and never plan on getting one".

I'm sure there are people out there who don't need the HDD, so they don't get it. However, based on my personal experience and observation, the majority of 360 owners have a 360 HDD (whether it came with the console or was bought separately). Now, I could be wrong, and I'll have no problem admitting that my observations gave me a wrong conclusion if proven otherwise. That said, I feel like my perspective on this is based on logical reasoning given the information given to me.

I have no problem with Microsoft offering a 360 without a HDD. However, I do feel that it's fair to compare the Elite 360 with the standard PS3 model since I'm under the impression that the majority of 360 owners have a HDD for their system. It'd be easier to do comparisons if Sony also had a $200 PS3 model for sale, but they don't.

So, yes, the PS3 at $300 offers more in the way of hardware features than the 360 at $300. However, I did state that you could argue that the 360 is a better deal when it comes to software based features. See, I also think the majority of 360 users utilize the software advantages it has, so I'd say it's fair to argue based on that. As for game libraries, that all comes down to opinion.

I never said this was "bad", so maybe you should pay closer attention to my words. I'm not even attacking the 360 in any way. Someone simply stated the 360 was behind, and I had to agree with them on a hardware level based on my stated observations and very clear reasons on why I made the comparisons that I did.

As a side note, I do think that Microsoft could at least throw a wi-fi chip into their system without charging extra. A lot of people seem to want it. Hell, you can get a wi-fi chip for $10 or $15, so I'm sure Microsoft could get them for super cheap. The same could go for a small hard drive, I'm guessing. Instead, they give their customers the "choice". If they want such an item, which it seems many people do, they have to pay out the ass for it.

It's a smart business move, I'll give them that. But as far as accessory pricing goes, I think Microsoft and Nintendo are the biggest offenders this generation. I think Microsofts HDD and Wi-Fi adapter pricing are what make them the worst, though. Though all three big companies are bad about it, I think Sony is the one doing the best service to its customers (it's all relative, though). In particular, their controllers are all wireless and have rechargeable batteries built in. Considering the 360 and PS3 controllers retail for about the same price, I do think Microsoft could do better.

Like I said, that part was just a side note. Just guesses and opinions.

I've been saying for a long time that the PS3 is a better value than the Xbox 360, and that Microsoft nickel and dimes you on accessories. I only took issue with your saying that Microsoft is behind in areas where they just offer options that are cheaper for some people. I don't know how you interpreted this any other way:

It's lacking Blu-Ray and Wifi, but are you seriously saying Microsoft is behind because they give you cheaper options (rechargeable, replaceable AAs and a no hard drive option if you don't need one)?

I can tell you that I have personally benefited financially from both of those options.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Wifi is a feature not everyone needs/wants. Why would those people want to pay extra to have a feature they don't want? Microsoft made it as an add on so those people that wanted it could get it and keep the hardware price down.

Blu-ray is a waste of money/resources in terms of gaming. Answer this question: Why is it that games that are released on both platforms are able to be deployed on PS3 and Xbox 360 with a difference of 50gb and 8gb with a negligible difference in video/audio quality?

 

[mugs]

Wifi is a feature not everyone needs/wants. Why would those people want to pay extra to have a feature they don't want? Microsoft made it as an add on so those people that wanted it could get it and keep the hardware price down.

Blu-ray is a waste of money/resources in terms of gaming. Answer this question: Why is it that games that are released on both platforms are able to be deployed on PS3 and Xbox 360 with a difference of 50gb and 8gb with a negligible difference in video/audio quality?

The Blu-Ray drive is a plus because it allows you to view HD movies, but its a minus because it's slower than the DVD drive in the 360. Cross-platform games are developed for the lowest common denominator, so the extra capacity only really benefits exclusives.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

The Blu-Ray drive is a plus because it allows you to view HD movies, but its a minus because it's slower than the DVD drive in the 360. Cross-platform games are developed for the lowest common denominator, so the extra capacity only really benefits exclusives.

I remember seeing data saying that most PS3 owner/users don't even use the Bluray player.

Actually that's wrong. With compression the same data that is being put on the bluray disc for the PS3 can also be put on the 8gb dvd for the 360.

 

[Thraxen]

Actually that's wrong. With compression the same data that is being put on the bluray disc for the PS3 can also be put on the 8gb dvd for the 360.

Not always. FFXIII, for example, has better textures and CGI movies on the PS3 than the 360 version. And that's with the 360 version taking multiple discs. The only reason we don't see this more is for exactly the reason Mugs said... the 360 is the lowest common denominator in terms of storage, and often the lead platform due to install base, and thus most games are targeted to meet the 360's specs.

What's funny is there are other examples too, but they were later denied. For example, id at one point stated that all versions of the upcoming game Rage were having content cut due to the 360's storage limitations (Link). They later denied this and praised the 360... Wonder who was behind that shift (you get 1 guess)? And although this is a 360 exclusive, there is PGR4. Bizzare came out and stated that the night tracks had to be cut due to the limitations of DVD storage (Link). They later denied this just as id did. Again, no surprise there.

This probably happens a lot more than we even hear about, but I'm sure most devs are smart enough to keep their mouth shut so as to not bring down the wrath of those in charge.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Well consider it this way. The storage difference between a 50gb and an 8gb medium is 6.25x. Which means that the textures and audio should be 6.25x better should it not?

Also, even though this may seem opinionated, I don't see the PS3 triggers (R2/L2) being anywhere close to how well the triggers are on the Xbox 360.

 

[Thraxen]

Well consider it this way. The storage difference between a 50gb and an 8gb medium is 6.25x. Which means that the textures and audio should be 6.25x better should it not?

Not really. The PS3 is still limited by RAM. I think game content, as is the case with Rage and PGR4, is more often the victim than textures and such.

Also, even though this may seem opinionated, I don't see the PS3 triggers (R2/L2) being anywhere close to how well the triggers are on the Xbox 360.

I doubt you'll get many people to disagree with that. The convex triggers on the PS3 make no sense. Most of the time they don't actually affect my gameplay, but I'd certainly prefer concave triggers regardless.

 

[Dumac]

See I just don't think MGS4 is for me. At $20 it seems like a good deal but I haven't played MGS since 2 and even then I was just a kid who skipped all the story... So I have no idea what's happening.

Yeah, I don't think you'd have much love for MGS4 either.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Let's ask this question: What is better the Cell or the Xenon?

 

[zerocool84]

Let's ask this question: What is better the Cell or the Xenon?

Better for what? Two entirely different processors and entirely different to code for. PS3 is harder to develop for as the Cell is much different as has tons of quirks compared to the Xenon. Theoretically it has more power but none of that matters if no one takes advantage of it and the difference isn't huge so it's not like you'd notice huge differences between the two systems near the end of their cycles.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Are those official Sony controllers? If they are that's fair enough, but I assume he's referring to microsoft controllers being available for the 360. I wouldn't really know though, not owning a 360 and all.

I was referring to all available controllers for both consoles, including third party controllers. Microsoft makes two controllers for the 360 (excluding different colors) -- wired and wireless. I'm honestly not sure what he is referring to when he says they have controllers "at all price points" unless he is talking about the options where they bundle one with a play and charge kit, or perhaps the fact you can get removable rechargeable batteries for the 360's controllers. I'd agree that Sony made a mistake on that front -- I wish the batteries were easily removable on their controller but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Wifi is a feature not everyone needs/wants. Why would those people want to pay extra to have a feature they don't want? Microsoft made it as an add on so those people that wanted it could get it and keep the hardware price down.

I agree, but the fact is that Sony offers the Slim at the same price as the Xbox 360 Elite, plus the Slim includes wi-fi. So from the standpoint of Joe Consumer, he is getting wi-fi AND blu-ray for free.

You could perhaps argue that Sony could have a SKU without wi-fi and undercut the 360's price point, but that would create a lot of consumer confusion (like Sony's multitude of PS3 SKUs did before). My beef with Microsoft isn't that they charge extra for wi-fi, but it is that they charge a ridiculous sum of money for their wi-fi option. For techies like us, we know other ways to accomplish it at lower costs or at the same cost with more capabilities. Joe Consumer on the street isn't as fortunate and will likely either buy the MS wi-fi option or if he realizes the PS3 has it at no additional cost, will buy the PS3.

 

[Anubis]

Complaining about which company nickel and dimes you more on accessories is kinda stupid. they all do it.

 

[Oyeve]

People. The PS3 is fail. I have both a 360 and a PS3 and right now the PS3 is just a BR player. The exclusive games for the PS3 just really suck and are really geared to 13-21 year olds, which I guess is the bulk of the market, but for people like me, mid-40s, who grew up with video games since the late 70s, the PS3 is just fail. When I buy a game and if its a xplatform game, I get it for the 360, why? because I know if I go online someone will be there playing with me. While I am not a huge fan of the 360 exclusives I find them more to my liking. I purchased FFXIII on the PS3 only for the one disc and better graphics compared to the 360, but ya know what? That game sucked major ass. If it had remained a PS3 exclusive I think I would have chucked it out the window, console and all. Sony has failed on the PSP and the PS3 bigtime. My PSP is under 2" of dust. The games suck. The DS and 360 with all of their "inferior" technolgy, has managed to spank the PSP and PS3. The last straw the the retarded PSPgo. I am amazed sony is still in business.

 

[purbeast0]

Complaining about which company nickel and dimes you more on accessories is kinda stupid. they all do it.

so is arguing about which console is better since its 100% opinion, but we're still doing it!!

 

[purbeast0]

People. The PS3 is fail. I have both a 360 and a PS3 and right now the PS3 is just a BR player. The exclusive games for the PS3 just really suck and are really geared to 13-21 year olds, which I guess is the bulk of the market, but for people like me, mid-40s, who grew up with video games since the late 70s, the PS3 is just fail. When I buy a game and if its a xplatform game, I get it for the 360, why? because I know if I go online someone will be there playing with me. While I am not a huge fan of the 360 exclusives I find them more to my liking. I purchased FFXIII on the PS3 only for the one disc and better graphics compared to the 360, but ya know what? That game sucked major ass. If it had remained a PS3 exclusive I think I would have chucked it out the window, console and all. Sony has failed on the PSP and the PS3 bigtime. My PSP is under 2" of dust. The games suck. The DS and 360 with all of their "inferior" technolgy, has managed to spank the PSP and PS3. The last straw the the retarded PSPgo. I am amazed sony is still in business.

really hope you aren't mid 40's cause you sound like 12 year old.