Just came back from the Mariah Carey concert :)

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Oh, oh another female entertainer bashing thread...

Most of us are just bashing ndee. 😀

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Ameesh
do you have a vagina?

No, he doesn't, but his boyfriend has a strap-on.

anyone with a a good hearing can tell that she has an awesome voice.

I guess my hearing sucks, but I think she's a poor quality Whitney Houston wannabee (The non-crackhead Houston of the 20 years ago). Ever notice she doens't hold notes out very long without "souling" them up? I think that's b/c she knows she is off key, but it's harder to tell if she doesn't hold the note out long enough for you to notice.

 

[Dacalo]

Only ATOT is capable of transforming a concert thread in to manhood thread.

 

[BoberFett]

Funny. I hadn't even been in the thread yet, just read the title, and I was already thinking "If you go to a Mariah Carey concert, do they give your testicles back to you after the show?"

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Ameesh
do you have a vagina?

No, he doesn't, but his boyfriend has a strap-on.

anyone with a a good hearing can tell that she has an awesome voice.

I guess my hearing sucks, but I think she's a poor quality Whitney Houston wannabee (The non-crackhead Houston of the 20 years ago). Ever notice she doens't hold notes out very long without "souling" them up? I think that's b/c she knows she is off key, but it's harder to tell if she doesn't hold the note out long enough for you to notice.

yeah, your hearing really sux.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
Only ATOT is capable of transforming a concert thread in to manhood thread.

We have the powa

 

[squirrel dog]

pics ?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Ameesh do you have a vagina?

No, he doesn't, but his boyfriend has a strap-on.

anyone with a a good hearing can tell that she has an awesome voice.

I guess my hearing sucks, but I think she's a poor quality Whitney Houston wannabee (The non-crackhead Houston of the 20 years ago). Ever notice she doens't hold notes out very long without "souling" them up? I think that's b/c she knows she is off key, but it's harder to tell if she doesn't hold the note out long enough for you to notice.

Yea, another vote that you're hearing just sucks and you're talking out of your ass.

Mariah Carey has been trained from birth when it comes to singing. Her mother was/is an accomplished Opera singer, and Mariah has been exposed to that her whole life. By age 10, she could recreate any note in a musical piece or from a song just by hearing it once. She has a 7 octave voice, which is seriously impressive when you consider that normal people only usually utilize 2 octaves. She has pure talent, it's just that she doesn't maximize her own potential anymore.

When she first entered the music scene, she was writing and producing all of her songs. People try to pass her off as an airhead at times, but when you consider that 90% of singers in the music industry just sing songs that have been written and produced by other people besides themselves, she's completed a feat in itself. Take Whitney Houston for example - she has never had a hit that she wrote or produced. She does nothing more than enter a studio, sing, and leave - the REAL musical talent is created by someone else.

Mariah has done nothing for the past 13 years but write songs and produce her own songs. She has released more material than artists who have had careers that span multiple decades. This is in part the reason for her current downfall - overexposure. She's a true workaholic, and until recent over publicized breakdown, she would go without sleep for DAYS at a time so that she could work on her material. She's released 10 albums, more number one songs than any other current living artist or group, and spent more weeks at #1 than ANY ARTIST EVER - more than Elvis and the Beatles. She the most successful female singer in the world, selling more than any other female artist. I think that this is the reason her "breakdown" was so publicized, and she's taken a lot of heat for it. The public likes to see someone who has received Iconic status fail, and this thread is evident of that.

Call her what you want, but at the end of the day, she has <U>earned</U> her millions. If that's stupid, then I seriously hope that I can attain that level of stupidity one day.

 

[Ryan]

Ndee - Good to see that you had fun, I know I enjoyed her Atlanta concert in 2000. It's good to see real talent in a sea of lipsyching fakes that the record industry is today.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Ameesh do you have a vagina?

No, he doesn't, but his boyfriend has a strap-on.

anyone with a a good hearing can tell that she has an awesome voice.

I guess my hearing sucks, but I think she's a poor quality Whitney Houston wannabee (The non-crackhead Houston of the 20 years ago). Ever notice she doens't hold notes out very long without "souling" them up? I think that's b/c she knows she is off key, but it's harder to tell if she doesn't hold the note out long enough for you to notice.

Yea, another vote that you're hearing just sucks and you're talking out of your ass.

Mariah Carey has been trained from birth when it comes to singing. Her mother was/is an accomplished Opera singer, and Mariah has been exposed to that her whole life. By age 10, she could recreate any note in a musical piece or from a song just by hearing it once. She has a 7 octave voice, which is seriously impressive when you consider that normal people only usually utilize 2 octaves. She has pure talent, it's just that she doesn't maximize her own potential anymore.

When she first entered the music scene, she was writing and producing all of her songs. People try to pass her off as an airhead at times, but when you consider that 90% of singers in the music industry just sing songs that have been written and produced by other people besides themselves, she's completed a feat in itself. Take Whitney Houston for example - she has never had a hit that she wrote or produced. She does nothing more than enter a studio, sing, and leave - the REAL musical talent is created by someone else.

Mariah has done nothing for the past 13 years but write songs and produce her own songs. She has released more material than artists who have had careers that span multiple decades. This is in part the reason for her current downfall - overexposure. She's a true workaholic, and until recent over publicized breakdown, she would go without sleep for DAYS at a time so that she could work on her material. She's released 10 albums, more number one songs than any other current living artist or group, and spent more weeks at #1 than ANY ARTIST EVER - more than Elvis and the Beatles. She the most successful female singer in the world, selling more than any other female artist. I think that this is the reason her "breakdown" was so publicized, and she's taken a lot of heat for it. The public likes to see someone who has received Iconic status fail, and this thread is evident of that.

Call her what you want, but at the end of the day, she has earned her millions. If that's stupid, then I seriously hope that I can attain that level of stupidity one day.

you must be the boyfriend 😉

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Ameesh do you have a vagina?

No, he doesn't, but his boyfriend has a strap-on.

anyone with a a good hearing can tell that she has an awesome voice.

I guess my hearing sucks, but I think she's a poor quality Whitney Houston wannabee (The non-crackhead Houston of the 20 years ago). Ever notice she doens't hold notes out very long without "souling" them up? I think that's b/c she knows she is off key, but it's harder to tell if she doesn't hold the note out long enough for you to notice.

Yea, another vote that you're hearing just sucks and you're talking out of your ass. Mariah Carey has been trained from birth when it comes to singing. Her mother was/is an accomplished Opera singer, and Mariah has been exposed to that her whole life. By age 10, she could recreate any note in a musical piece or from a song just by hearing it once. She has a 7 octave voice, which is seriously impressive when you consider that normal people only usually utilize 2 octaves. She has pure talent, it's just that she doesn't maximize her own potential anymore. When she first entered the music scene, she was writing and producing all of her songs. People try to pass her off as an airhead at times, but when you consider that 90% of singers in the music industry just sing songs that have been written and produced by other people besides themselves, she's completed a feat in itself. Take Whitney Houston for example - she has never had a hit that she wrote or produced. She does nothing more than enter a studio, sing, and leave - the REAL musical talent is created by someone else. Mariah has done nothing for the past 13 years but write songs and produce her own songs. She has released more material than artists who have had careers that span multiple decades. This is in part the reason for her current downfall - overexposure. She's a true workaholic, and until recent over publicized breakdown, she would go without sleep for DAYS at a time so that she could work on her material. She's released 10 albums, more number one songs than any other current living artist or group, and spent more weeks at #1 than ANY ARTIST EVER - more than Elvis and the Beatles. She the most successful female singer in the world, selling more than any other female artist. I think that this is the reason her "breakdown" was so publicized, and she's taken a lot of heat for it. The public likes to see someone who has received Iconic status fail, and this thread is evident of that. Call her what you want, but at the end of the day, she has earned her millions. If that's stupid, then I seriously hope that I can attain that level of stupidity one day.

you must be the boyfriend 😉

Thank you for your creative and insightful response.

 

[Ness]

I saw Hanson's acoustic show last week. It was actually VERY good. They have come a long way since MmmBop.

I will stand behind them as good artists. Most people are just pissed because they accomplished more by the time they hit 18 (one of them isn't even there yet) than most people will accomplish in their lifetime. Not only that, but they get to tour the world with their brothers.


I met them too, got autographs, you know. They're pretty friendly.

 

[iwearnosox]

Suddenly my perceptions of ndee have become frighteningly validated...

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: ness1469
I saw Hanson's acoustic show last week. It was actually VERY good. They have come a long way since MmmBop.

I will stand behind them as good artists. Most people are just pissed because they accomplished more by the time they hit 18 (one of them isn't even there yet) than most people will accomplish in their lifetime. Not only that, but they get to tour the world with their brothers.


I met them too, got autographs, you know. They're pretty friendly.

wow, i didnt know hanson has groupies.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: ness1469
I saw Hanson's acoustic show last week. It was actually VERY good. They have come a long way since MmmBop.

I will stand behind them as good artists. Most people are just pissed because they accomplished more by the time they hit 18 (one of them isn't even there yet) than most people will accomplish in their lifetime. Not only that, but they get to tour the world with their brothers.


I met them too, got autographs, you know. They're pretty friendly.

You've just got a crush on the young one. He's a guy, not a girl, you know. 😉

 

[Lithium381]

yep, good voice

 

[nick1985]

is your vagina hairy?

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: nick1985
is your vagina hairy?

Is your life meaningless without the drama of a moderator-induced virtual coma?

 

[Jzero]

Yea, another vote that you're hearing just sucks and you're talking out of your ass.

OF COURSE I'm talking out of my ass. It's my OPINION on MUSIC. This isn't quantifiable research.

But I will respond to some of your points:

Mariah Carey has been trained from birth when it comes to singing. Her mother was/is an accomplished Opera singer, and Mariah has been exposed to that her whole life. By age 10, she could recreate any note in a musical piece or from a song just by hearing it once. She has a 7 octave voice, which is seriously impressive when you consider that normal people only usually utilize 2 octaves. She has pure talent, it's just that she doesn't maximize her own potential anymore.

I'm gonna play the "woop-dee-doo" card on this one. Exposure to music at an early age definitely helps you along, but it's not gonna save the day. Tonal memory means fvck all. I can also parrot back to you most any tune after hearing it only once. I've got great tonal memory, but I freely admit that I am not that great of a singer by far.

7 octaves is impressive, if that's even true, but see my assertion above - I don't believe she can hold most of those notes in tune for more than 2-3 beats. Even if she can pull 7 octaves, there's a big difference between what you can VOCALIZE and what you can actually SING.

When she first entered the music scene, she was writing and producing all of her songs. People try to pass her off as an airhead at times, but when you consider that 90% of singers in the music industry just sing songs that have been written and produced by other people besides themselves, she's completed a feat in itself. Take Whitney Houston for example - she has never had a hit that she wrote or produced. She does nothing more than enter a studio, sing, and leave - the REAL musical talent is created by someone else.

News flash: Not everyone is a songwriter AND a singer. If you think that someone who is "strictly" a singer just walks into the studio sings and leaves and manages to sell a hit this way, then you are now the one talking out of your ass. I've only done a little bit of studio work and it's enough to tell me that it isn't an in-and-out stand around grandma's piano for an hour and then off to the bank to cash my royalty check process.

Additionally, you are nuts if you think songwriting is the only part of "real" musical talent. If that's the case, I'm gonna bring a recorder next time I go to karaoke and recruit a slam dunk Grammy winner since apparently all you need to do is make a cover of a well-written song.

Remember Az Yet? I didn't think so. Apparently you need more than a battery of songs written by Babyface, Peter Cetera and Brian McKnight to achieve some lasting success. Maybe that Houston chick does something more than wander into the studio and wail for a couple hours.

But then again, I never offered commentary on her songwriting abilities (which are average at best), just that her singing abilities aren't that great.

Mariah has done nothing for the past 13 years but write songs and produce her own songs. She has released more material than artists who have had careers that span multiple decades. This is in part the reason for her current downfall - overexposure. She's a true workaholic, and until recent over publicized breakdown, she would go without sleep for DAYS at a time so that she could work on her material. She's released 10 albums, more number one songs than any other current living artist or group, and spent more weeks at #1 than ANY ARTIST EVER - more than Elvis and the Beatles. She the most successful female singer in the world, selling more than any other female artist. I think that this is the reason her "breakdown" was so publicized, and she's taken a lot of heat for it. The public likes to see someone who has received Iconic status fail, and this thread is evident of that.

Quality != Quantity
I disliked her long before her well-publicized "fall." I started to pay attention to her when a little girl that went to the same voice studio as I was cast in one of her videos (Butterfly, I think it was called), and I started to watch for Mariah Carey, and I was not impressed at all.

Call her what you want, but at the end of the day, she has earned her millions. If that's stupid, then I seriously hope that I can attain that level of stupidity one day.

I don't think anyone called her stupid. You're awfully defensive. I don't like her. I think she's a crappy singer. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Yea, another vote that you're hearing just sucks and you're talking out of your ass.

OF COURSE I'm talking out of my ass. It's my OPINION on MUSIC. This isn't quantifiable research.

But I will respond to some of your points:

Mariah Carey has been trained from birth when it comes to singing. Her mother was/is an accomplished Opera singer, and Mariah has been exposed to that her whole life. By age 10, she could recreate any note in a musical piece or from a song just by hearing it once. She has a 7 octave voice, which is seriously impressive when you consider that normal people only usually utilize 2 octaves. She has pure talent, it's just that she doesn't maximize her own potential anymore.

I'm gonna play the "woop-dee-doo" card on this one. Exposure to music at an early age definitely helps you along, but it's not gonna save the day. Tonal memory means fvck all. I can also parrot back to you most any tune after hearing it only once. I've got great tonal memory, but I freely admit that I am not that great of a singer by far. 7 octaves is impressive, if that's even true, but see my assertion above - I don't believe she can hold most of those notes in tune for more than 2-3 beats. Even if she can pull 7 octaves, there's a big difference between what you can VOCALIZE and what you can actually SING.

When she first entered the music scene, she was writing and producing all of her songs. People try to pass her off as an airhead at times, but when you consider that 90% of singers in the music industry just sing songs that have been written and produced by other people besides themselves, she's completed a feat in itself. Take Whitney Houston for example - she has never had a hit that she wrote or produced. She does nothing more than enter a studio, sing, and leave - the REAL musical talent is created by someone else.

News flash: Not everyone is a songwriter AND a singer. If you think that someone who is "strictly" a singer just walks into the studio sings and leaves and manages to sell a hit this way, then you are now the one talking out of your ass. I've only done a little bit of studio work and it's enough to tell me that it isn't an in-and-out stand around grandma's piano for an hour and then off to the bank to cash my royalty check process. Additionally, you are nuts if you think songwriting is the only part of "real" musical talent. If that's the case, I'm gonna bring a recorder next time I go to karaoke and recruit a slam dunk Grammy winner since apparently all you need to do is make a cover of a well-written song. Remember Az Yet? I didn't think so. Apparently you need more than a battery of songs written by Babyface, Peter Cetera and Brian McKnight to achieve some lasting success. Maybe that Houston chick does something more than wander into the studio and wail for a couple hours. But then again, I never offered commentary on her songwriting abilities (which are average at best), just that her singing abilities aren't that great.

Mariah has done nothing for the past 13 years but write songs and produce her own songs. She has released more material than artists who have had careers that span multiple decades. This is in part the reason for her current downfall - overexposure. She's a true workaholic, and until recent over publicized breakdown, she would go without sleep for DAYS at a time so that she could work on her material. She's released 10 albums, more number one songs than any other current living artist or group, and spent more weeks at #1 than ANY ARTIST EVER - more than Elvis and the Beatles. She the most successful female singer in the world, selling more than any other female artist. I think that this is the reason her "breakdown" was so publicized, and she's taken a lot of heat for it. The public likes to see someone who has received Iconic status fail, and this thread is evident of that.

Quality != Quantity I disliked her long before her well-publicized "fall." I started to pay attention to her when a little girl that went to the same voice studio as I was cast in one of her videos (Butterfly, I think it was called), and I started to watch for Mariah Carey, and I was not impressed at all.

Call her what you want, but at the end of the day, she has earned her millions. If that's stupid, then I seriously hope that I can attain that level of stupidity one day.

I don't think anyone called her stupid. You're awfully defensive. I don't like her. I think she's a crappy singer. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities.

Would you like my me to provide you some examples of some of her songs where she holds a note for quite a while? Download "Never Forget you", "Without You", "Lead the Way", or "Never to Far" - IIRC, she holds her notes in these songs for an astronomically long time.

As for your tonal memory, if I were to hit a single key on a piano, could you reproduce the exact key without any variance just from hearing it once?

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: Ameesh
looks like everyone agrees with me ndee.

so this turned into unsure-about-my-manhood forum? What a pity.

Yes, we are all unsure about your manhood.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: ness1469
I saw Hanson's acoustic show last week. It was actually VERY good. They have come a long way since MmmBop.

I will stand behind them as good artists. Most people are just pissed because they accomplished more by the time they hit 18 (one of them isn't even there yet) than most people will accomplish in their lifetime. Not only that, but they get to tour the world with their brothers.


I met them too, got autographs, you know. They're pretty friendly.

You've just got a crush on the young one. He's a guy, not a girl, you know. 😉

HAR HA RHAR. He's not the hot piece he used to be 😉

 

[Jzero]

Would you like my me to provide you some examples of some of her songs where she holds a note for quite a while? Download "Never Forget you", "Without You", "Lead the Way", or "Never to Far" - IIRC, she holds her notes in these songs for an astronomically long time.

I don't download music, so I'm gonna have to take your word for it. But Kenny G has a world record to his name for holding a note on his saxophone, and I don't think he's anything to rave about either.
She may be better than I give her credit for, but I'm still not terribly impressed.

As for your tonal memory, if I were to hit a single key on a piano, could you reproduce the exact key without any variance just from hearing it once?

What do you mean by "exact key?" A scale? That's pretty elementary.

BTW, I thought that 7 octave range nonsense was suspicious, and it turns out, I was right.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Would you like my me to provide you some examples of some of her songs where she holds a note for quite a while? Download "Never Forget you", "Without You", "Lead the Way", or "Never to Far" - IIRC, she holds her notes in these songs for an astronomically long time.

I don't download music, so I'm gonna have to take your word for it. But Kenny G has a world record to his name for holding a note on his saxophone, and I don't think he's anything to rave about either. She may be better than I give her credit for, but I'm still not terribly impressed.

As for your tonal memory, if I were to hit a single key on a piano, could you reproduce the exact key without any variance just from hearing it once?

What do you mean by "exact key?" A scale? That's pretty elementary. BTW, I thought that 7 octave range nonsense was suspicious, and it turns out, I was right.

Ah - I'm not going to go into the number of actives, but you link at least says that it's possible that she has a 6 octave voice. Still, it's impressive.

If I ere to hit 5 keys at random, could you reproduce them perfectly after hearing them only once? It's a simple question. Yes, most accomplished musicians can do this, but Mariah was able to do this when she was a young child. By calling it "elementary" you've proven that you ideed do not know what you're talking about.

Also, you said that you have excellent tonal memory - I never said anything about tonal memory, but instead I said Tonal Reproduction. There's a big difference. Antoher thing, in your previous response about her exposire to music as a child. She was more than exposed to music, her mother was training her ever since she began speaking. Here's an except from this link: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/dopefest/mariahcarey.html

"Growing up in a broken home is never easy, but atleast when the interracial marriage between Mariah Carey's parents disintegrated, she had the good fortune to grow up with her opera singer/vocal coach mother, Patricia. Carey's mother recognized that her daughter could sing on what she characterized as 'true pitch' and she developed Carey's talent after discovering that she had the ability to mimic any sound she heard with perfection. While Carey's mother never shoved her into the limelight, she did encourage a talent that would empower her daughter to make her own decisions"

No need to discuss this any further, even the link you provided goes again your own opinion that "her singing abilities aren't that great".

 

[Jzero]

If I ere to hit 5 keys at random, could you reproduce them perfectly after hearing them only once? It's a simple question. Yes, most accomplished musicians can do this, but Mariah was able to do this when she was a young child. By calling it "elementary" you've proven that you ideed do not know what you're talking about.

Uhh right. I've been singing all my life. In 1996 I was among the 20 highest scorers in my voice part in the NJ All State Chorus. I took formal voice lessons for 4 years. I most recently played The Prince in Cinderella. I'm not listing my resume to make myself sound good, I'm just trying to demonstrate that when it comes to singing and music, I've got a reasonably solid base of knowledge and experience.

I freely admit I'm not the greatest singer, but the guy totally misusing the word "key" is saying I don't know what I'm talking about? Gimme a break.

Also, you said that you have excellent tonal memory - I never said anything about tonal memory, but instead I said Tonal Reproduction. There's a big difference.

You didn't type the words "tonal reproduction" at any point, and even if you did, you invented that term. I've never heard it used except to describe the musical quality of instruments and microphones and the like.

What you describe as If I ere to hit 5 keys at random, could you reproduce them perfectly after hearing them only once? is pretty much exactly what a tonal memory test is. You play me a melody, I sing it back to you. It is very very basic, it's part of most any choral group's audition process, it's usually more like 8-16 notes and yes, I happen to be particularly good at this one particular feat. It's allowed me to eke my way into more than a few choirs in my lifetime. What I lack in vocal quality, I make up for in tonal memory.

No need to discuss this any further, even the link you provided goes again your own opinion that "her singing abilities aren't that great".

Like I said and you just said - it's my opinion. I don't think she's that great. I think Whitney Houston is better. I think the likes of Etta James or Annie Haslam make them both pale. But it's all opinion.