Just came back from the D.C. Demonstrations....

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Nik
US laws have exactly zero blame for dumbasses who venture out into the desert and get themselves killed because they're too stupid to bother bringing appropriate supplies with them.

There are plenty of ways into the US that don't involve hundreds after hundreds dying along the same path doing the same thing. It's like they're a bunch of lemmings, ya know? Gee, thousands have died over the years trying this stupid move. Should we try to? YEAH!!! :roll: Gimme a break. Darwinism at it's finest, folks.

Your assumption is that the migrants know what they are facing when they cross the border. Many don't have a clue. Migrants coming from Chiapas and other southern areas have never even seen a desert before making the trip north. They hire guides who lie to them, tell them it is just short walk to reach Phoenix or where ever their destination. It is like taking someone who spent their entire life in Boston and dropping them fifty miles outside of Vegas and telling them the jackpot is just over the hill.

What exactly about our laws do you find at fault? How are US laws enticing mexicans to come here to get better jobs?

The border enforcement zone extends to about one hundred miles up from the border. Make it across that and you're home free. Get caught inside the enforcement zone and you face automatic deportation - no hearings, no appeals, on the bus and dumped at the nearest port of entry. If you get caught outside the enforcement zone then it is catch and release. INS gives you a letter telling you to appear before a immigration judge at some point in the future and sends you on your way. By the time the court date arrives you are long gone into the interior and working with one of the tens of thousands of employers willing to hire you. This policy entices folks to get beyond the enforcement zone, whatever the risks. It had been a mystery to me as to why migrants were dying in the desert north of Tucson, having already crossed highways and and skirted towns. This policy explains it. Stay out of site until you are out of the zone of automatic deportation and you're gold.

Oh, and while I'm asking questions, why is it that tons of mexicans come here to work and then send the money back to mexico to their families? Do they save up for their families to come here? Fvck no, it costs a fortune to live here. They send the money back home so their families can sit on their asses and live better. They're not interested in contributing to this great nation, they're only interested in LEECHING OFF OF IT.

First of all, if they are working for wages then they are contributing. Do you think your employer does not benefit from your labor? Secondly, maybe they don't want their families to make the same journey they made? Thirdly, it is a great leap on your part to assume that their families are sitting on their asses.

Anyway, back to what I was saying. Honestly, I don't care about dumbasses who die in the desert. I'm just so desensatized to it and I'm so sick and freakin tired of my neighborhood being run down by them that I just want them all out with absolutely no regard to their well being. Out! If you can't take the time to do it right, if you're going to simply LEECH off the country, then GTFO.

You are indeed desensitized. I'm not.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Your assumption is that the migrants know what they are facing when they cross the border. Many don't have a clue.

Like I said, dumbasses. Would I be wrong in assuming that it would be my fault if I chose to go treking through Africa with nothing but the clothes on my back with a guide I don't know and know nothing about (reputation, credentials, etc)? Of course it would be my fault. I would be a dumbass.

Migrants coming from Chiapas and other southern areas have never even seen a desert before making the trip north. They hire guides who lie to them, tell them it is just short walk to reach Phoenix or where ever their destination. It is like taking someone who spent their entire life in Boston and dropping them fifty miles outside of Vegas and telling them the jackpot is just over the hill.

Actually, it wouldn't be like that because you're not putting them there, they're choosing to jump right in without bothering to carefully consider what the hell they're doing. They just don't care about what happens to themselves -and neither do I anymore.

The border enforcement zone extends to about one hundred miles up from the border. Make it across that and you're home free. Get caught inside the enforcement zone and you face automatic deportation - no hearings, no appeals, on the bus and dumped at the nearest port of entry. If you get caught outside the enforcement zone then it is catch and release. INS gives you a letter telling you to appear before a immigration judge at some point in the future and sends you on your way. By the time the court date arrives you are long gone into the interior and working with one of the tens of thousands of employers willing to hire you. This policy entices folks to get beyond the enforcement zone, whatever the risks. It had been a mystery to me as to why migrants were dying in the desert north of Tucson, having already crossed highways and and skirted towns. This policy explains it. Stay out of site until you are out of the zone of automatic deportation and you're gold.

Interesting. You learn something new every day (100-mile zone thing). However, is this somehow supposed to soften my heart, make me feel badly for them, or otherwise relate to them? Well it's failing miserably. It only makes me more angry because they're trying their DAMNDEST to get into this country every which way but the right way.

First of all, if they are working for wages then they are contributing. Do you think your employer does not benefit from your labor? Secondly, maybe they don't want their families to make the same journey they made? Thirdly, it is a great leap on your part to assume that their families are sitting on their asses.

Of course my employer benefits from my labor. Then again, so does the community when I dump my paycheck back into it instead of sending it off to Russia and Germany. Why wouldn't they want their families to make the same journey they made? Isn't the US the land of opportunity? It's not like they're sacrificing some great life down in Mexico to come work here in the states. Why wouldn't they want their families to come with them? Now, I'm going to assume that you've seen the average living conditions for Mexican lower class. There isn't any middle class, it's just the rich and the poor. Like pre-revolution Russia (almost the same way today ), and most other 3rd world nations. It's not like the whole of mexico is a giant workhorse hero or something. They live meager, boring, non-existant lives -which is fine for them if that's what they want for themselves. Anyway...

I'm just sick of the bullsh|t and I want every one of the bastards kicked out. I want a REAL border put up and I want it enforced.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I saw the Berkeley protests yesterday..

Largest campus protest I've seen so far..

http://dailycal.org/images/art/04.11.protest.LE.jpg

 

[Gagan]

are those all illegal immigrants? how'd they evne make it in berkeley?
how did the yget transcripts and whatnot? and if they aren't then what right do they have doing that kind of stuff?

Mansouthpark is right, Mid-North Cali = Smug.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: ViRGE
As a brief aside to this discussion, I have a question. Just how hard is it to migrate legally to the United States?

http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/legpermres.htm

Very hard to get in if you don't meet the requirements <see the link above>. As a legal immigrant <first generation> myself, the journey over 20 years ago was very difficult and dangerous.

I understand the POV on both sides. You guys/gals that are native born don't know how lucky you are and how desirable the US citizenship is. I can say it is worth more than gold.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Nik
It only makes me more angry because they're trying their DAMNDEST to get into this country every which way but the right way.

Nik, read some of the links provided in this thread. For most illegal crossers there is no right way. It is simplya myth that anyone with patience and determination can legally immigrate to the U.S. Between the quotas and preferences reality is that there is no legal way to immigrate, yet still U.S. employers wave the carrot. The lamp is still raised but golden door is slammed shut.