Just came back from the D.C. Demonstrations....

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sm8000
What is your problem with illegals wanting to become legal?

Ummm...how about because it is an affront to the millions of people that spent untold amounts of time, energy, and money to get here legally?

They want to spend the time, energy, and money. They want to go through the process.

Then why are they here illegally now instead of back in their home country applying to get in the United States?

They each have their stories. Go ask them.

Basically. As the son of parents who came here under 'special circumstances' I continuously find it hard to give a concrete reason as to why.

Something that I do know is that the U.S. had a role in totally fvking up a large chunck of central america so many people came here because of that.


Like I said in a previosu thread, my family sometimes talks about the 'war stuff' in a somewhat comical fashion like 'you remember the squds and such and how we used to have to do whatever they said' and such as if they are still kids....

pretty freaky.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

So change the law - make them legal - problem solved.

That was already done back in the 80s. All it did was encourage more people to come into the country illegally in the hopes of another case of amnesty. If we give in again, even greater numbers of illegals will pour into the country hoping for the next round of amnesty.

I too disagree with total amnesty.

Well maybe we have an amnesty now and then totally lock up the border?

One real big problem I have with a lot of illegal immigrants is that they don't bother to learn English.

We had maids from El Salvador and I couldn't even converse with them at all. Getting to know people is a big part of creating a functioning society.

No amnesty. It will just encourage another flood of illegals.

I say lock up the border now and enforce existing laws. Punish employers who knowingly or uncaringly hire illegals. Increase the number of work Visas and green cards. That makes the job market tough for illegals and encourage them to go back home and go through legal channels to work in the United States.

And I agree about the language barrier. You get people that live in the USA for years that never bother to try and learn a lick of English. They don't have to when there is spanish language TV, radio, grocery stores, and everything else.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Punish employers who knowingly or uncaringly hire illegals.

"Levy a HUGE fine against Wal-Mart!"

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

So change the law - make them legal - problem solved.

That was already done back in the 80s. All it did was encourage more people to come into the country illegally in the hopes of another case of amnesty. If we give in again, even greater numbers of illegals will pour into the country hoping for the next round of amnesty.

I too disagree with total amnesty.

Well maybe we have an amnesty now and then totally lock up the border?

One real big problem I have with a lot of illegal immigrants is that they don't bother to learn English.

We had maids from El Salvador and I couldn't even converse with them at all. Getting to know people is a big part of creating a functioning society.

No amnesty. It will just encourage another flood of illegals.

I say lock up the border now and enforce existing laws. Punish employers who knowingly or uncaringly hire illegals. Increase the number of work Visas and green cards. That makes the job market tough for illegals and encourage them to go back home and go through legal channels to work in the United States.

And I agree about the language barrier. You get people that live in the USA for years that never bother to try and learn a lick of English. They don't have to when there is spanish language TV, radio, grocery stores, and everything else.

So now capitalism is bad? All those corporations are following the money.

As for our government adjusting, well, many people have a point that that is annoying and costly as hell.

I personally believe that theey should learn english, but alas, many cannot afford to..hell many of them can't even afford a heater/airconditioner.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Queasy
Punish employers who knowingly or uncaringly hire illegals.

"Levy a HUGE fine against Wal-Mart!"

Aye. For some reason everyone points the blaim at the little guys first and fails to address how corporate giants are doing msot of the hiring.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
I personally believe that theey should learn english, but alas, many cannot afford to..hell many of them can't even afford a heater/airconditioner.

I just want to comment on this.

For those who are immersed into a new language and culture, it becomes much easier to learn a language quickly than in any school or classroom.

There is no reason why illegals who came over here 10 years ago should not be able to speak a shred of English.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Queasy
No amnesty. It will just encourage another flood of illegals.

I say lock up the border now and enforce existing laws. Punish employers who knowingly or uncaringly hire illegals. Increase the number of work Visas and green cards. That makes the job market tough for illegals and encourage them to go back home and go through legal channels to work in the United States.

And I agree about the language barrier. You get people that live in the USA for years that never bother to try and learn a lick of English. They don't have to when there is spanish language TV, radio, grocery stores, and everything else.

So now capitalism is bad? All those corporations are following the money.

As for our government adjusting, well, many people have a point that that is annoying and costly as hell.

I personally believe that theey should learn english, but alas, many cannot afford to..hell many of them can't even afford a heater/airconditioner.

You won't find anyome more pro-Capitalism than me. It is the current greatest economic system around but it does still have its flaws. This is one of them.

Anything the government does is annoying. That is why they are the government.

Right now I'm pretty confident that whatever solution they come up with for illegal immigration will be the wrong solution as they are all playing a game of Twister trying to pander to the Hispanic vote while keeping true to their other constituents.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
I personally believe that theey should learn english, but alas, many cannot afford to..hell many of them can't even afford a heater/airconditioner.

I just want to comment on this.

For those who are immersed into a new language and culture, it becomes much easier to learn a language quickly than in any school or classroom.

There is no reason why illegals who came over here 10 years ago should not be able to speak a shred of English.

I Agree 100%

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: QueasyRight now I'm pretty confident that whatever solution they come up with for illegal immigration will be the wrong solution as they are all playing a game of Twister trying to pander to the Hispanic vote while keeping true to their other constituents.

Agreed. Some of the people in congress/senate scare me.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: mwtgg
It's not so much immigration that has people up in arms, it's the fact that these people are illegal immigrants. Do it right, people have been doing it for decades. What makes these people now so special that they can act above the law?

My parents came here because of war and the aftermath. They came here without permission...i.e. illegally.

I won't attempt to defend the viewpoints of others as much as I can, but I do sympathize with those that have broken laws to come here in search of a better life for their children.

sooo...if I want a better life for my family then I should what, what rob a bank?


both are illegal, why is one justified and the other not?

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: mwtgg
It's not so much immigration that has people up in arms, it's the fact that these people are illegal immigrants. Do it right, people have been doing it for decades. What makes these people now so special that they can act above the law?

My parents came here because of war and the aftermath. They came here without permission...i.e. illegally.

I won't attempt to defend the viewpoints of others as much as I can, but I do sympathize with those that have broken laws to come here in search of a better life for their children.

sooo...if I want a better life for my family then I should what, what rob a bank?


both are illegal, why is one justified and the other not?

If you want a better life for your family, you should stop posting and go back to lurking. You'd be doing us all a favor. Seriously, that is an incredibly stupid post. I can't believe the parallel you're trying to draw. Your thinking is so flawed I have to go to bed now.

 

[zanieladie]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
It's not so much immigration that has people up in arms, it's the fact that these people are illegal immigrants. Do it right, people have been doing it for decades. What makes these people now so special that they can act above the law?

:thumbsup:

 

[RedArmy]

Starting your way off in the United States by breaking one of the laws does not give a good first impression. If you go through the right legal routes then by all means you can stay here and try and help others but that doesn't seem to be the case here, they just want an easy way out. My mom came from Britain and had to go through a very extensive test and evaluation to be let in and the same held true for my grandma when she came from Germany years ago. You acutally had to know something about the country to get in (Politics, Geography, American History, National symbols, etc.) If they really do mean good and want to help our country, try and find a way legally.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: mwtgg
It's not so much immigration that has people up in arms, it's the fact that these people are illegal immigrants. Do it right, people have been doing it for decades. What makes these people now so special that they can act above the law?

My parents came here because of war and the aftermath. They came here without permission...i.e. illegally.

I won't attempt to defend the viewpoints of others as much as I can, but I do sympathize with those that have broken laws to come here in search of a better life for their children.

sooo...if I want a better life for my family then I should what, what rob a bank?


both are illegal, why is one justified and the other not?

If you want a better life for your family, you should stop posting and go back to lurking. You'd be doing us all a favor. Seriously, that is an incredibly stupid post. I can't believe the parallel you're trying to draw. Your thinking is so flawed I have to go to bed now.

And yet, you failed to show how it is flawed. Both are illegal acts, both acts are done out of supposed need, where is the flaw?

 

[Steve]

When Goosemaster spoke of "those who have broken laws" he was referring to immigration laws, not armed robbery. Further, he did not seem to imply any justification toward the US justice or immigration systems.

 

[Gagan]

Only reason I'm in Canada is because my grandfather (whom I hate) abandoned my grandma (but did PAY for the stuff back in india) to come to CAnada.

My mom came here when she was 17 and my dad got a STudent Visa with my mom sponsoring him and got a teachers assistant spot in the University of Victoria for Chemistry, Keep in mind this was 35 years ago too.

I completely agree, My family got here legally, it's time they do too, I don't agree with the easy way out like WTF?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: sm8000
When Goosemaster spoke of "those who have broken laws" he was referring to immigration laws, not armed robbery. Further, he did not seem to imply any justification toward the US justice or immigration systems.

And wheezer's point is a better life for children is not justification to breaking the law - any law. His analogy was correct.

 

[randal]

You should have seen it here in Colorado - Mexican flags as far as the eye could see. Pretty striking.

Things are different here in the west where we have TONS of illegal (mostly mexican) immigrants.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: sm8000
When Goosemaster spoke of "those who have broken laws" he was referring to immigration laws, not armed robbery. Further, he did not seem to imply any justification toward the US justice or immigration systems.

And wheezer's point is a better life for children is not justification to breaking the law - any law. His analogy was correct.

It was wildly inaccurate, but I'm not sure there's any convincing you

Regardless, the point still stands - there are illegals here that want to go through the steps and become legal, to earn wages and pay taxes as fairly as legals and citizens. If they want to make amends, I fail to see the problem.

 

[FoBoT]

build a wall or put the national guard on the southern border FIRST, stop the flood, then we can talk about what to do with the criminals that are already here

 

[Goosemaster]

Half a million people marched in Los Angeles, another half-million in Dallas, and hundreds of thousands elsewhere yesterday. The fact that so many undocumented immigrants came out of the shadows, giving up their anonymity to denounce legislation threatening their interests, wasn't the most remarkable thing. More significant was that so many fully enfranchised Latino citizens joined them.

Good quote from the washington post's Eugene Robinson

 

[Siddhartha]

Washington is a great place for a demonstration.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Washington is a great place for a demonstration.

True dat.

The best place

 

[tw1164]

So did the economy slow down yesterday? I remember reading that it would "crash" if all the illegals left, so I figured we would see a slow down w/ many demonstrating yesterday.

 

[Sphexi]

I'm surprised they all made it there without ramming into each other's pickup trucks, then taking off without exchanging their non-existant insurance information.