mmm.....so hot chicks huh? .....got any phone number ? 
<===should have skipped work and gone there ...
Regards
ng
<===should have skipped work and gone there ...
Regards
ng
Fingolfin269
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You know, I probably would not care about illegal immigration if it were not for a couple of problems I have with the illegals themselves. (Please not I am referring to those coming from our Southern border).
They seem to have no desire to assimilate. This is unlike any other large group of immigrants in the past as far as I'm aware. They run around flaunting their Mexican/etc. heritage and have no desire to learn a language that allows them to communicate with anyone other than their fellow immigrants. This is the United States. It IS the melting pot of the world. The problem is that these illegals do not want to melt into the pot and become members of the United States of America.
They want to live in this country and make their wealth in this country's economy but at the end of the day they just want to be people who live in the United States but who are really Mexicans who continue to wave the flag of the country they left. What the hell is the point in having pride in a country that cannot even provide you a job as good as the crap jobs people say USA citizens do not even want?
They seem to have no desire to assimilate. This is unlike any other large group of immigrants in the past as far as I'm aware. They run around flaunting their Mexican/etc. heritage and have no desire to learn a language that allows them to communicate with anyone other than their fellow immigrants. This is the United States. It IS the melting pot of the world. The problem is that these illegals do not want to melt into the pot and become members of the United States of America.
They want to live in this country and make their wealth in this country's economy but at the end of the day they just want to be people who live in the United States but who are really Mexicans who continue to wave the flag of the country they left. What the hell is the point in having pride in a country that cannot even provide you a job as good as the crap jobs people say USA citizens do not even want?
Yeah, let's all identify our interests based on racial ties. And in 30 years we can have a nice ethnic civil war, like the Balkans! Great idea! :roll:
I'm sick of this BS!
ILLEGAL...
Why should they be given anything for circumventing our already existing LEGAL way of immigrating?
Why do we not hear the word ILLEGAL used on media coverage for this?
Why do our elected officials pander to illegals looking for votes when it's citizens are 70+% against illegals being allowed to be here?
Why do we allow them to bleed our healthcare system, and government assistance dry?
Why do we allow them to gather and protest in our country when they should be doing that in their own?
Why do we listen to their drivel and lame justifications for deserving anything other than a free trip back to where they came from???
WHEN is America going to pull its head out of its arse?
ILLEGAL...
Why should they be given anything for circumventing our already existing LEGAL way of immigrating?
Why do we not hear the word ILLEGAL used on media coverage for this?
Why do our elected officials pander to illegals looking for votes when it's citizens are 70+% against illegals being allowed to be here?
Why do we allow them to bleed our healthcare system, and government assistance dry?
Why do we allow them to gather and protest in our country when they should be doing that in their own?
Why do we listen to their drivel and lame justifications for deserving anything other than a free trip back to where they came from???
WHEN is America going to pull its head out of its arse?
No kidding, I agree wholeheartedly skold
They have to understand this isn't racism, this is called abuse of the bordertism
They have to understand this isn't racism, this is called abuse of the bordertism
I have absolutely no problem with legal immigrants in this country. It is how this country began. Legal immigrants are the ones most likely to be a productive member of American society. Its the illegal border jumpers that crowd the slums and eat up welfare dollars I want tossed back over the damn border.
IronWing
No Lifer
- Jul 20, 2001
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It's absolutely absurd that some of you think that all of these illegal immigrants circumvented the legal process of immigration just because they want to.
Everything an American citizen take for granted, they don't have it. If they were robbed? Can't call the police. Have a heart attack? can't call the ambulance. Totaled their car by getting into an accident that's not their fault? Ditch the car before the police came. Become victims in hate crime? Pray to God that they don't get fired the next day because their broken arm is slowing them down.
What most people take as undeniable human rights to life are denied to these people. They're not illegal because they want to rip off the American society, they're illegal because there are no other choice.
I am not proponent of complete amnesty to these people. I am not justifying their illegal actions. I don?t believe they should have the rights of legal citizens. What I CAN?T stand is people denouncing them as leeches to the American society. They don?t receive welfare, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, or even educational financial aid for their children to go into high education.
American citizens who live on the streets asking for handouts are leeches. Enron executive are leeches. People who are born with all of the advantages and opportunities and decide not to be the best they could be are leeches. Hard working people who kill themselves working so they can to give their children or family back home a better life are not.
Just to give a perspective of the legal immigration process
My family is still in the process of getting citizenship. My parents have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on immigration lawyers to fill out the correct paperwork. My dad is a highly-skilled worker (which has 2nd highest priority of any immigration application type). We haven't hit any road block in our application process. In half a year, we'll be qualifies to APPLY for a citizenship interview.
Guess how long we've been in the United State of America?
11 year.
My parents go to a Chinese church, shop at Chinese supermarket, cook Chinese food at home and despise McDonalds. My mom tries her best by taking English as second language class at night, but it?s hard for her to learn English.
They were willing to go through the pain of pulling their root out and move tens of thousands of miles so my sister and I can have a better life and better opportunity. Our neighbors from the south may not have such advantage that my family had, but the goal and ideals are the same, and they deserve to be respected all the same.
Everything an American citizen take for granted, they don't have it. If they were robbed? Can't call the police. Have a heart attack? can't call the ambulance. Totaled their car by getting into an accident that's not their fault? Ditch the car before the police came. Become victims in hate crime? Pray to God that they don't get fired the next day because their broken arm is slowing them down.
What most people take as undeniable human rights to life are denied to these people. They're not illegal because they want to rip off the American society, they're illegal because there are no other choice.
I am not proponent of complete amnesty to these people. I am not justifying their illegal actions. I don?t believe they should have the rights of legal citizens. What I CAN?T stand is people denouncing them as leeches to the American society. They don?t receive welfare, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, or even educational financial aid for their children to go into high education.
American citizens who live on the streets asking for handouts are leeches. Enron executive are leeches. People who are born with all of the advantages and opportunities and decide not to be the best they could be are leeches. Hard working people who kill themselves working so they can to give their children or family back home a better life are not.
Just to give a perspective of the legal immigration process
My family is still in the process of getting citizenship. My parents have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on immigration lawyers to fill out the correct paperwork. My dad is a highly-skilled worker (which has 2nd highest priority of any immigration application type). We haven't hit any road block in our application process. In half a year, we'll be qualifies to APPLY for a citizenship interview.
Guess how long we've been in the United State of America?
11 year.
My parents go to a Chinese church, shop at Chinese supermarket, cook Chinese food at home and despise McDonalds. My mom tries her best by taking English as second language class at night, but it?s hard for her to learn English.
They were willing to go through the pain of pulling their root out and move tens of thousands of miles so my sister and I can have a better life and better opportunity. Our neighbors from the south may not have such advantage that my family had, but the goal and ideals are the same, and they deserve to be respected all the same.
Unfortunately, most of those sh|tbags were probably illegal. Why would legals bother demonstrating against something that doesn't effect them?
INS doesn't know where the illegals are? Well here's a clue... they're all gathered together protesting! Now round them up and kick them the fvck out :|
Wow, what a terrific opportunity missed. What a great chance, they could have rounded up all those people and booted them all out of the country, and then only let the few legals among them back in. Boot them all out, I'm sick and tired of this BS. Legals are fine, all illegals should be IMMEDIATELY rounded up and booted out of the country.
Build a fence, scale down the welfare state, document illegals, monitor the flow. It's a fvcking no brainer.
There's your take on what happens with illegal immigrants in these situations, and what REALLY happens.
If a US citizen is robbed, its worthless calling the police, so it makes no difference if an illegal can't.
If they have a heart attack, you better believe they're going to call an ambulance. Hell, for ANY type of medical condition, they will go to the emergency room. Whether it's a small cut, a slight fever, or a sprained ankle. Why? Because the illegals don't have to pay a fvcking dime for treatment. Hospitals cannot turn them away because they have no insurance or no means to pay. The illegals simply give them a fake name or address, leave the hospital, and are never seen again. This is one of the major reasons so many hospitals in the South, Southwest, and Mid-west are having so much damn trouble staying open.
Totalled a car in an accident that's not their fault? They shouldn't be driving in the first place without a license or insurance. That's another crime. And how about this. How about them getting into an accident that was their fault. And then them giving some actual citizen a fake name, fake insurance information, or fleeing the accident. Then they get locked up for a night, maybe a week, get released temporarily, and flee somewhere else in the US. Same thing happens when they commit any crime. They get released and disappear.
Become victims in a hate crime? Maybe people wouldn't commit the hate crime if they illegal was an actual LEGAL citizen.
Well, it certainly isn't because I want them to now is it?
Yeah, tell me that again as my property taxes go up so I can pay more money to support the schools because they are filling up with people who live 15 to a house and thus don't contribute enough to carry their own weight. Tell me that again when some illegal immigrant does a hit-and-run on my car because he's got no insurance. Tell me that again when I have to pay more so the illegal immigrant can get some government form translated into whatever crappy language he speaks. [/quote]
Sounds to me like they should have stayed in China. At least I'll give them credit for going through the legal process instead of just jumping over the border.[/quote]
Sure, I respect the goals, but I don't respect those who try to achieve them by criminal means, and I certainly don't respect those that go somewhere then make no effort to assimilate into the society and instead try to make the society more and more like the crappy one they left behind. :|
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IronWing
No Lifer
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That's odd, this sh|tbag, as you like to call me, was born right here in the U.S. I already gave my reasons for protesting earlier in this thread. Here's a clue for you...most of the folks I was marching with are citizens, many of them are descendents of folks who've been living in Arizona since it was Mexican territory, Spanish territory, and some families here pre-date the Spanish conquest. Here's the kicker for you: some of them don't speak much english. They don't need to, Tucson was a majority Spanish speaking town into the 1920s. It may become one again. Yep, a town made up of folks who don't look like you, don't talk like you, yet are every bit as American as you. America is a hell of a lot more diverse than you seem to want it to be, sucks to be you.
ViRGE
Elite Member, Moderator Emeritus
- Oct 9, 1999
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As a brief aside to this discussion, I have a question. Just how hard is it to migrate legally to the United States? It seems to me every time it's discussed, everyone always says that it's a very long, very expensive process. Why is that? Do we need to expand the INS or quota system(do we still have a quota system?) to make it a more manageable system for prospective migrants?
Then you aren't illegal and I don't have a single problem with you... sh|tbag.
Really, I don't.
Why were you marching, though? You, being a naturally born citizen, care about illegal aliens? Why?
No we don't need to make it easier and no we don't need to allow more people per year than we already do. We need to keep it just as difficult (the knowledge tests are incredibly in-depth -more so than the vast majority of public school graduation requirements) and we need to restrict down the number of people we make citizens per year.
Just because millions don't bother to obey the law doesn't mean we should change the law to fit their flagrantly disrespectful and criminal actions.
Stop feeling bad for the illegal. They have to wait there turn in line just like everyoen else like them
SInce when are they the only ones who have problems that want to come to our great countries.
SInce when are they the only ones who have problems that want to come to our great countries.
IronWing
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Nik
Then you aren't illegal and I don't have a single problem with you... sh|tbag.
Really, I don't.
Why were you marching, though? You, being a naturally born citizen, care about illegal aliens? Why?
279 people died in my backyard last year while trying to cross the desert, people died the year before, and the year before that. I work and play in that desert and I don't want anymore people dying where I work and play. U.S. laws and policies are partly to blame. I can do something about those laws and policies. I can't fix Mexico or other countries but I can fix ours. The outcome of the current laws/policies is that folks are enticed to come to the U.S. to get better jobs than they could ever get at home. But first they have to run the gauntlet. Since Americans living in border cities didn't want the illegal traffic moving through their towns the Border Patrol responded with a policy of heavy enforcement in the towns and less enforcement away from towns. So the migrants try to cross the deserts. Most make it, many die.
The border isn't what most people think. For many, many miles the only constructed barrier is a five strand barbed wire fence designed to contain livestock. In most places the border isn't even signed. The desert is the real barrier. People dying is the predictable outcome of the combination of a policy encouraging folks to cross the border for better jobs and a policy of pressuring them to do so away from towns and roads where they could cross safely.
US laws have exactly zero blame for dumbasses who venture out into the desert and get themselves killed because they're too stupid to bother bringing appropriate supplies with them.
There are plenty of ways into the US that don't involve hundreds after hundreds dying along the same path doing the same thing. It's like they're a bunch of lemmings, ya know? Gee, thousands have died over the years trying this stupid move. Should we try to? YEAH!!! :roll: Gimme a break. Darwinism at it's finest, folks.
What exactly about our laws do you find at fault? How are US laws enticing mexicans to come here to get better jobs?
Oh, and while I'm asking questions, why is it that tons of mexicans come here to work and then send the money back to mexico to their families? Do they save up for their families to come here? Fvck no, it costs a fortune to live here. They send the money back home so their families can sit on their asses and live better. They're not interested in contributing to this great nation, they're only interested in LEECHING OFF OF IT.
Anyway, back to what I was saying. Honestly, I don't care about dumbasses who die in the desert. I'm just so desensatized to it and I'm so sick and freakin tired of my neighborhood being run down by them that I just want them all out with absolutely no regard to their well being. Out! If you can't take the time to do it right, if you're going to simply LEECH off the country, then GTFO.
There are plenty of ways into the US that don't involve hundreds after hundreds dying along the same path doing the same thing. It's like they're a bunch of lemmings, ya know? Gee, thousands have died over the years trying this stupid move. Should we try to? YEAH!!! :roll: Gimme a break. Darwinism at it's finest, folks.
What exactly about our laws do you find at fault? How are US laws enticing mexicans to come here to get better jobs?
Oh, and while I'm asking questions, why is it that tons of mexicans come here to work and then send the money back to mexico to their families? Do they save up for their families to come here? Fvck no, it costs a fortune to live here. They send the money back home so their families can sit on their asses and live better. They're not interested in contributing to this great nation, they're only interested in LEECHING OFF OF IT.
Anyway, back to what I was saying. Honestly, I don't care about dumbasses who die in the desert. I'm just so desensatized to it and I'm so sick and freakin tired of my neighborhood being run down by them that I just want them all out with absolutely no regard to their well being. Out! If you can't take the time to do it right, if you're going to simply LEECH off the country, then GTFO.
Originally posted by: Nik
Then you aren't illegal and I don't have a single problem with you... sh|tbag.
Really, I don't.
Why were you marching, though? You, being a naturally born citizen, care about illegal aliens? Why?
In my case, because my parents were tryign to escape a warn torn country....
and it is really doing a number on my conscience.
I agree with so many points on both sides...
That's different. You can be granted asylum in situations just like this -perfectly legally- and become legal immigrants.
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