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Judge rules private company owners cannot be forced to violate their religious belief

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ElFenix said:
The owner isnt bearing the cost so his religious beleifs shouldnt ve considered
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Sure he is. He is paying for at least half (if not more) of the cost of the health insurance of his employees. You do not honestly think increasing benefits will not also increase costs, do you?

Also, is it wrong for someone to be the middle man between a person who commits murder and the person who pays for the murder? He believes birth control is murder (official Catholic position) and therefor if he acts as the middle man in the health insurance situation, he is acting as the middle man in a murder.
 
zinfamous said:
No, of course not. But in this specific case, "gravely immoral" is rather subjective.

Birth control is certainly not "gravely immoral" to the majority of rational, educated humans on this planet; but only to a niche group of antiquated nutballs. Fortunately for them, the constitution sides with their desire to practice antiquated nutballery, so it appears that the judge decided in the correct manner.

This is certainly not an issue of preventing the government from forcing gravely immoral acts; it is one of preventing the government from forcing private "individuals" (remember: a corporation is an individual!) to compromise their religious batshittery.

stop making dumb posts.
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You are using up all the dumb in your own posts. You prove this by saying a corporation is an individual. Learn what a corporation is, then come back and explain to use what you learned and how it is vastly different than the idiocy you just spouted here.

:shakes head in dismay: he actually thinks corporations are individuals...sign...
 
PokerGuy said:
Hence my earlier post. The simple answer is to mandate coverage for things that are medically needed to treat a condition. Doesn't matter what gender. "not wanting to get pregnant" (for example) is not a medical condition that needs treated, while "endometriosis" (for example) is a medical condition that can be treated. It's a simple distinction, let those who want to use a product as part of their lifestyle choice pay for it, while those who need medical treatment get insurance coverage.
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AFAIK, the Catholic Church has no problem with birth control to treat disorders. It is using birth control to murder that they have a problem with.


I am not catholic and do not agree with them, but a billion people do agree with them.
 
her209 said:
What do these "non a slut" women on birth control use it for?
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As was pointed out their are legitimate medical conditions that can be treated through birth control pills.

As another more to the point example a married woman would not be a slut for using them.

But you and I both know that the reason the ACA makes birth control available without co-pay is to benefit single women.
 
Sophitia said:
It is my religious belief that nobody in the company should have healthcare, because if you get sick with cancer than God obviously intended for you to get sick and die. It isn't right having a government forcing me to play god by telling the lord I know better than his plan by paying something towards combating that cancer with doctors and treatments.
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That's the problem with RELIGION. They want their cake and eat it too. Maybe I'll come up with a religion that my god told me I can only work 2 hours a day and only lift up to 5 lbs.... You know breaking out and perspiring is the devils work. I need 10 candy bars a day to get to heaven and I gotta be over 500 lbs. That's why I'm on disability and sucking down health care and go to the hospital on the states dime weekly for all my health problems my god wants me to have.

I could go on and on. Where does it stop... Religion needs to be taxed and why do we need 500 churches in every town telling everyone what to think?

The religious bullshit keeps getting deeper. One day we will all wake up and say enough is enough.
 
There's no grounds for this to stand. The government does have a secular concern here, and that's all it needs. I cannot build a power plant that dumps pollution well in excess of EPA standards and get away with it because "pollution controls are against my religion;" have a restaurant that doesn't comply with health codes because, "Washing is against my religion;" or pay my employees below minimum wage because, "Paying more than $7.25/hr is against my religion."
This is just singling out Christian beliefs for special treatment which doesn't exist under the 1st and 14th Amendments.

Conservatards will cry, "Persecution," but that's why we call them "conservatards."
 
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thraashman said:
Aren't there some religions that are against life saving operations or taking medications. Can a person of that religion who is against it now refuse to make his employees pay into medicare or refuse to have their provided insurance cover operations?

This is a fucking stupid ruling.
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Ha that's a great way to skirt obamacare
 
halik said:
Ha that's a great way to skirt obamacare
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The Affordable Health Care for America Act would be at practically the bottom of the list. Corporations would be declaring taxes, truth in advertising, worker safety, pollution controls, and nonmonopolistic business practices as being against their religion long before that of an employee benefit they could offset with lower wages.
 
tweaker2 said:
IMO, it's not so much "what the gravely immoral act is", rather, what is definitively an "immoral act"?

I'm mentioning this because it seems you've supported your contention by invoking an personal opinion instead of arguing your point with facts.
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A moral code is something that established by each person.

What if an employer considers paying the national minimum wage or over it to be 'gravely immoral'? Or saying 'gravely immoral to employ black people for more than slave terms'?

My opinion on the topic of employers and contraception is, unless contraception or conception is a fundamental part of employment (pizza place, I hope not!), then what the hell has it got to do with the employer what the employee does in their spare time. Based on that argument I consider the employer to be overruled.

But then, America has some crazy employment laws. In the UK the employer wouldn't have any say in things like this. Admittedly we have state-provided healthcare here, which both employer and employee contributes to, so "choosing a healthcare provider" doesn't happen here, but even if it did, I think a judge would tell an employer to take a hike if they tried that line here.
 
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zsdersw said:
There are extremely few things the government should be allowed to force you to do... and stuff like this isn't among them.
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But it's OK for the boss of a company to foist his religious views on his employees?

You know, you don't *have* to live in that country or work at that company...
 
Orignal Earl said:
The US military doesn't pass out condoms?
It has lot's of other purposes beside birth control, great for keeping the sand out of end of a barrel
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I have no problem with the military handing out free birth control to women. Pregnant women have no business in the military.

When I can go into Walgreens and flash my insurance card and get free condoms then you might have a point.
 
nehalem256 said:
I have no problem with the military handing out free birth control to women. Pregnant women have no business in the military.

When I can go into Walgreens and flash my insurance card and get free condoms then you might have a point.
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So, no problem with paying for birth control for men then?
 
Orignal Earl said:
So, no problem with paying for birth control for men then?
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Not to mention the fact that there are tons of locations like planned parenthood, state and local health departments, etc that are government funded and hand out millions of free condoms each year. The government has been explicitly funding male birth control for years now, usually over the howling objections of conservatives.

Nehalem might be too stupid to know this, but you have to remember that he has some serious woman hatred issues so even if he did realize all the government sponsorship of male birth control he wouldn't care.
 
eskimospy said:
Not to mention the fact that there are tons of locations like planned parenthood, state and local health departments, etc that are government funded and hand out millions of free condoms each year. The government has been explicitly funding male birth control for years now, usually over the howling objections of conservatives.
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Im confused now. If planned parenthood provides services to men. Why is defunding it a "War on Women"? 😕
 
eskimospy said:
Not to mention the fact that there are tons of locations like planned parenthood, state and local health departments, etc that are government funded and hand out millions of free condoms each year. The government has been explicitly funding male birth control for years now, usually over the howling objections of conservatives.

Nehalem might be too stupid to know this, but you have to remember that he has some serious woman hatred issues so even if he did realize all the government sponsorship of male birth control he wouldn't care.
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:thumbsups:

The poor little fellow..I have a 14 year old nephew going through his first break up, he is on a woman hating kick too
 
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