Judge rules private company owners cannot be forced to violate their religious belief

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U.S. District Judge Lawrence Zatkoff granted a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the contraception provision of the law against Tom Monaghan and Domino's Farms Corp., a management company located near Ann Arbor, Mich.

The company, which is not connected to Domino's Pizza, has 45 full-time and 44 part-time employees, according to its court filing. Monaghan sold his controlling stake in Domino's Pizza in 1998 to private equity company Bain Capital and sold his remaining Domino's stock in 2004, according to Domino's Pizza spokesman Chris Brandon.

"It is in the best interest of the public that Monaghan not be compelled to act in conflict with his religious beliefs," Zatkoff wrote.
Monaghan is a Roman Catholic and said in his suit that he considers contraception a "gravely immoral" practice. He offers employees health insurance that excludes coverage for contraception and abortion.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ffer-contraceptives-judge-says/#ixzz2NcCzcSiG

Should the government be allowed to force you to perform gravely immoral acts?
 

zsdersw

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There are extremely few things the government should be allowed to force you to do... and stuff like this isn't among them.
 

nehalem256

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Should the government be allowed to force you to perform gravely immoral acts?

It depends on what the "gravely immoral act" is.

In this case contraception and abortion are essentially lifestyle choices.

So should the government be able to compel you to support gravely immoral lifestyle choices?

I think not.
 

trenchfoot

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It depends on what the "gravely immoral act" is.

In this case contraception and abortion are essentially lifestyle choices.

So should the government be able to compel you to support gravely immoral lifestyle choices?

I think not.

IMO, it's not so much "what the gravely immoral act is", rather, what is definitively an "immoral act"?

I'm mentioning this because it seems you've supported your contention by invoking an personal opinion instead of arguing your point with facts.
 

WHAMPOM

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It depends on what the "gravely immoral act" is.

In this case contraception and abortion are essentially lifestyle choices.

So should the government be able to compel you to support gravely immoral lifestyle choices?

I think not.

Abortion? Who mentioned abortion? This is about providing contraception that keeps women on the job, healthier and lenghtens their life span.
Life style choice in a religion that tells women to submit to their Husband? LOL, you tell such funny ones!
 

nehalem256

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IMO, it's not so much "what the gravely immoral act is", rather, what is definitively an "immoral act"?

I'm mentioning this because it seems you've supported your contention by invoking an personal opinion instead of arguing your point with facts.

What constitutes an immoral act is inherently a personal opinion.

Both contraception and abortions are essentially lifestyle choices.

Things like flu shots, chemotherapy, etc are not lifestyle choices.

I have no problem with allowing people to determine what they consider to be immoral lifestyle choices.
 

nehalem256

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Abortion? Who mentioned abortion?

See the last word in the quote from the OP.

This is about providing contraception that keeps women on the job, healthier and lenghtens their life span.

No its about getting society to pick up the tab for single women.

Life style choice in a religion that tells women to submit to their Husband? LOL, you tell such funny ones!

How is that not a lifestyle choice?
 

thraashman

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Aren't there some religions that are against life saving operations or taking medications. Can a person of that religion who is against it now refuse to make his employees pay into medicare or refuse to have their provided insurance cover operations?

This is a fucking stupid ruling.
 

nehalem256

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Aren't there some religions that are against life saving operations or taking medications. Can a person of that religion who is against it now refuse to make his employees pay into medicare or refuse to have their provided insurance cover operations?

This is a fucking stupid ruling.

Are life saving operations a lifestyle choice?

Comparing contraception and life saving operations is fucking stupid.
 

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What constitutes an immoral act is inherently a personal opinion.

Both contraception and abortions are essentially lifestyle choices.

Things like flu shots, chemotherapy, etc are not lifestyle choices.

I have no problem with allowing people to determine what they consider to be immoral lifestyle choices.

Ummmm... contraception does affect a woman's health. It prevents cysts forming on women's ovaries (birth control is commonly used for this), it helps to prevent severe PMS symptoms, it prevents pregnancy which in itself is a medical condition, it protects against certain life threatening cancers, it shrinks and reduces endometriosis (a painful condition that can lead to sterility).
 

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Bible says judge not, lest you be judged.
Religious choices are personal, INSURANCE should not be controlled.
This places one mans religious belief in control of other people.
Judge is idiot.

If one believes no one should own guns, does this give a property owner the right to reject gun owners as employees or tenants?

The first commandment says I am the Lord Thy God and will have no false gods before me.
Does this give property owner the right to employ only coreligionists?

Anti contraception comes under Papal decree and only recent interpretation of the ten commandments.
If the Pope changes his mind does that change the rules?
 
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Pens1566

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Bible says judge not, lest you be judged.
Religious choices are personal, INSURANCE should not be controlled.
This places one mans religious belief in control of other people.
Judge is idiot.

This. The judge is saying the owner's religious beliefs are above those of his employees. Not a great precedent to be set. I'd imagine it goes higher and gets thrown out.
 

Orignal Earl

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Aren't there some religions that are against life saving operations or taking medications. Can a person of that religion who is against it now refuse to make his employees pay into medicare or refuse to have their provided insurance cover operations?

This is a fucking stupid ruling.

Christian Science

http://www.csmonitor.com/

If you look up cases that have happened, you will find that almost all these people end up going to Supreme Court and having the cases dismissed
We usually see a local court convinct in newspapers, but never the end story ;)
 

Sonikku

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It is my religious belief that nobody in the company should have healthcare, because if you get sick with cancer than God obviously intended for you to get sick and die. It isn't right having a government forcing me to play god by telling the lord I know better than his plan by paying something towards combating that cancer with doctors and treatments.
 

nehalem256

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This. The judge is saying the owner's religious beliefs are above those of his employees. Not a great precedent to be set. I'd imagine it goes higher and gets thrown out.

No he isn't. The employees are still free to purchase contraception with their own money.
 

Jimzz

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Good, that way if someone gets cancer, or other costly treatment, I can drop them because its Xenu's will.

Save's me good money. Thanks
 

Orignal Earl

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It is my religious belief that nobody in the company should have healthcare, because if you get sick with cancer than God obviously intended for you to get sick and die. It isn't right having a government forcing me to play god by telling the lord I know better than his plan by paying something towards combating that cancer with doctors and treatments.

God gave me cancer
And a Muslim and a Jew cured me :D;)
 

nehalem256

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Ummmm... contraception does affect a woman's health. It prevents cysts forming on women's ovaries (birth control is commonly used for this)

So why don't they call them cyst prevention pills?


, it helps to prevent severe PMS symptoms,

So why doesn't the government mandate that midol be free?

it prevents pregnancy which in itself is a medical condition,

Contraception prevents pregnancy o_O

Pregnancy is a medical condition that is a result of lifestyle choices. Should health insurance be forced to cover motorcycle helmets too?

it protects against certain life threatening cancers,.

It also increases the likelihood of other types of life threatening cancers.
 

Pens1566

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No he isn't. The employees are still free to purchase contraception with their own money.

And the owner is still free to not personally engage in behavior that goes against his beliefs. What others do should be of no concern to him.