Jordan Neely killed on the subway by marine veteran. Hero or killer?

[A///]

Voting for GOP means you don’t, because they dont

from the party that believes in conspiracy theories no less!

 

[nakedfrog]

Ok I have to ask what LOAC training means in this context. At my work LOAC stands for Loss of Attitude Control and is what happens when your space vehicle starts to tumble leading to loss of communication and for solar powered vehicles loss of power potentially permanently if your drain the batteries all the way.

(LOACs that I had to help save happened to me enough times while I was working missions that I use the term in my PS gamer tag)

Law of Armed Conflict, designates who is a valid target and when, the handling of POWs, that sort of thing.

 

[HomerJS]

Does LOAC teach when it is appropriate to choke to kill vs disable?

 

[Pohemi]

Does LOAC teach when it is appropriate to choke to kill vs disable?

Sounds more like Rules of Engagement, but I'm no expert.

I will say though...neither LOAC nor RoE should be consulted/enacted upon in public transport. It's not a warzone.

 

[hal2kilo]

I just want him to have his day in court like anybody else would that was involved in something that killed another person. I have no axe to grind. This should be simple to sort out. I suspect he will probably not be found guilty. It's a sad thing, all around.

 

[HomerJS]

Looks like Penny violated almost all of these rules.

https://unitedtaskforce.net/training/sop/basic-infantry/laws-of-armed-conflict-loac#:~:text=Under%20LOAC%20it%20is%20forbidden%20to%3A%201%20Attack,7%20Interfere%20with%20the%20delivery%20of%20humanitarian%20aid

Under LOAC it is forbidden to:

• Attack civilians
• Commit murder or torture
• Forcibly displace civilians
• Attack hospitals, ambulances and health-care workers
• Use human shields
• Misuse the Red Crystal, Red Cross and Red Crescent
• Interfere with the delivery of humanitarian aid

 

[pcgeek11]

Looks like Penny violated almost all of these rules.

https://unitedtaskforce.net/training/sop/basic-infantry/laws-of-armed-conflict-loac#:~:text=Under%20LOAC%20it%20is%20forbidden%20to%3A%201%20Attack,7%20Interfere%20with%20the%20delivery%20of%20humanitarian%20aid

Well, he is no longer in the Military. None of that applies to civilians.

He was charged, the court will sort out the specifics separate the rumor from the facts and make a ruling.

I hope I used all the correct and proper words this time.

 

[HomerJS]

Once a Marine always a Marine. So we’ve been told

 

[pcgeek11]

Once a Marine always a Marine. So we’ve been told

Still doesn't apply.

 

[eelw]

Breaking news, grand jury indicted him

 

[skyking]

Thanks.
That was not surprising. The wheels of Justice will turn slowly and many of us will forget, but it's good to have someone bringing a thread back to life.

 

[pauldun170]

Breaking news, grand jury indicted him

Just posting the link

https://abcnews.go.com/US/grand-jury-indicts-daniel-penny-chokehold-death-jordan/story?id=100077897

 

[pcgeek11]

I saw this while reading the news today and I was wondering what the thoughts were on this killing opposed to the Penny case.

I personally think both cases should be thrown out as justified/accidental.

Man charged in deadly subway stabbing released without bail

The man accused in the deadly subway stabbing of a passenger in Brooklyn was released without bail on Thursday afternoon.

abc7ny.com

WILLIAMSBURG, Brooklyn (WABC) -- The man accused in the deadly subway stabbing of a passenger in Brooklyn was released without bail on Thursday afternoon.

Jordan Williams, 20, was charged Wednesday with manslaughter and criminal possession of a weapon in the death of 36-year-old Devictor Ouedraogo on a J train Tuesday night.

The Brooklyn District Attorney's Office had asked for $100,000 bail, but the judge told Williams, "I have every reason to believe you will fight this case."

Police are reviewing video Ouedraogo, who is believed to be homeless, harassing subway riders.

 

[Vic]

Vigilantism isn't self-defense.

 

[MrSquished]

I personally think both cases should be thrown out as justified/accidental.

that's because only a terrible person would think that about Neely, and you have shown you are a terrible person time and time again.

 

[HomerJS]

I saw this while reading the news today and I was wondering what the thoughts were on this killing opposed to the Penny case.

I personally think both cases should be thrown out as justified/accidental.

Man charged in deadly subway stabbing released without bail

The man accused in the deadly subway stabbing of a passenger in Brooklyn was released without bail on Thursday afternoon.

abc7ny.com

WILLIAMSBURG, Brooklyn (WABC) -- The man accused in the deadly subway stabbing of a passenger in Brooklyn was released without bail on Thursday afternoon.

Jordan Williams, 20, was charged Wednesday with manslaughter and criminal possession of a weapon in the death of 36-year-old Devictor Ouedraogo on a J train Tuesday night.

The Brooklyn District Attorney's Office had asked for $100,000 bail, but the judge told Williams, "I have every reason to believe you will fight this case."

Police are reviewing video Ouedraogo, who is believed to be homeless, harassing subway riders.

I will answer your question by asking one and giving another example.

In what universe can a well trained person applying a rear naked choke for 15 minutes killing someone be deemed an accident?

Example: Let's say you and I were in a public pool and you were going around grabbing the asses of various girls. I dunk your head under the water to get you to stop assaulting people. But instead of a simple dunk I hold you under for 15 minutes and you drown. I doubt anyone would say your death was an accident.

 

[MrSquished]

I will answer your question by asking one and giving another example.

In what universe can a well trained person applying a rear naked choke for 15 minutes killing someone be deemed an accident?

Example: Let's say you and I were in a public pool and you were going around grabbing the asses of various girls. I dunk your head under the water to get you to stop assaulting people. But instead of a simple dunk I hold you under for 15 minutes and you drown. I doubt anyone would say your death was an accident.

it's an accident because the victim was black, was poor, and being a nuisance. The first two are bad enough, but scaring white people?

If that was a black ex-marine choking a super drunk white guy to death for ten minutes, that was being a nuisance on that subway car, he would not doubt for a minute it was homicide. we all know this.

 

[Vic]

We'll all be much safer once we allow lawless vigilantes to extrajudicially execute "undesirables" at will. This is the only way to ensure safety and law and order.

 

[skyking]

" good shoot"

 

[woolfe9998]

I saw this while reading the news today and I was wondering what the thoughts were on this killing opposed to the Penny case.

I personally think both cases should be thrown out as justified/accidental.

Man charged in deadly subway stabbing released without bail

The man accused in the deadly subway stabbing of a passenger in Brooklyn was released without bail on Thursday afternoon.

abc7ny.com

WILLIAMSBURG, Brooklyn (WABC) -- The man accused in the deadly subway stabbing of a passenger in Brooklyn was released without bail on Thursday afternoon.

Jordan Williams, 20, was charged Wednesday with manslaughter and criminal possession of a weapon in the death of 36-year-old Devictor Ouedraogo on a J train Tuesday night.

The Brooklyn District Attorney's Office had asked for $100,000 bail, but the judge told Williams, "I have every reason to believe you will fight this case."

Police are reviewing video Ouedraogo, who is believed to be homeless, harassing subway riders.

How can you even form an opinion about that case without knowing anything about the victim's conduct which is supposed to be what justified the homicide? Your article literally says nothing about it other than that there is video of the victim "harassing subway riders" which can mean a lot of different things.

 

[woolfe9998]

that's because only a terrible person would think that about Neely, and you have shown you are a terrible person time and time again.

I know you dislike PCGeek, but you don't get to decide that anyone who disagrees with you on a particular issue is "a terrible person." And for the record, I am awaiting further evidence to form a definite opinion about the Neely case, so this isn't about me. It's more about you acting like a douche, which is undoubtedly the result of a failure to control your emotions.

 

[MrSquished]

I know you dislike PCGeek, but you don't get to decide that anyone who disagrees with you on a particular issue is "a terrible person." And for the record, I am awaiting further evidence to form a definite opinion about the Neely case, so this isn't about me. It's more about you acting like a douche, which is undoubtedly the result of a failure to control your emotions.

I appreciate you commenting on a topic you're completely ignorant on by your own admittance.

As far as PC geek, anybody who has said the shit he has said and consistently votes for the Republican platform and will continue to do so for the future, is a terrible person.

There were many people in Nazi Germany and other fascist countries and dictatorships who had families, who had pets, who went grocery shopping who coached soccer teams, who seems like nice people on the surface. But they voted for evil. They enabled evil. They continued to support evil. That is him in a nutshell.

So let's agree to disagree, I think people that vote for evil constantly and find so many ways to defend it are fucking terrible people. And people that call this an accident and this guy should get off clean. They are especially fucking terrible people.

Hey if realizing what thousands of years of history have taught us about the reality of human nature, makes me a douche, I'm a fucking giant douche.

Now feel free to read about this case about a man who murdered someone in cold blood for nearly 15 minutes and the guy you are defending as not so bad is saying it's an accident. Fuck off.

Signed,

A proud and aware douchebag

 

[woolfe9998]

I appreciate you commenting on a topic you're completely ignorant on by your own admittance.

Really now? Saying I want more facts which are unavailable right now is the same saying I'm ignorant on the topic. Since you know that is not true, you started your post by mischaracterizing what I said and what you know I meant. Let's see if it gets any better.

As far as PC geek, anybody who has said the shit he has said and consistently votes for the Republican platform and will continue to do so for the future, is a terrible person.

I don't give a shit about PCGeek. My post wasn't about him, and you know it.

There were many people in Nazi Germany and other fascist countries and dictatorships who had families, who had pets, who went grocery shopping who coached soccer teams, who seems like nice people on the surface. But they voted for evil. They enabled evil. They continued to support evil. That is him in a nutshell.

This isn't about Nazis, or even modern day conservatives. This is about you proclaiming that everyone who doesn't agree with you about one particular criminal case is "a terrible person."

And for the record, you may benefit from knowing that you're having this discussion with someone who has read nearly 100 books on Nazi Germany, and at least 30 on the Holocaust alone.

So let's agree to disagree, I think people that vote for evil constantly and find so many ways to defend it are fucking terrible people. And people that call this an accident and this guy should get off clean. They are especially fucking terrible people.

Hey if realizing what thousands of years of history have taught us about the reality of human nature, makes me a douche, I'm a fucking giant douche.

Now feel free to read about this case about a man who murdered someone in cold blood for nearly 15 minutes and the guy you are defending as not so bad is saying it's an accident. Fuck off.

Signed,

A proud and aware douchebag

Next time think before you write. It's just possible you may have been insulting someone other than your chosen target with what you said. That is all.

 

[sportage]

Haven't been following this case but I just don't like his smug attitude. He apparently feels he has some right to kill for the good of the community. Or ???
For some reason this reminds me of that worm Kyle Rittenhouse. Like Rittenhouse, I'm sure this killer will end up hanging around with white supremacist groups too.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We'll all be much safer once we allow lawless vigilantes to extrajudicially execute "undesirables" at will. This is the only way to ensure safety and law and order.

Pretty much how pcgeek is rationalizing it