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Hayabusa Rider

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Anywho who said anything about a conspiracy? This stuff has existed in science for a long time. Just moreso now than in the past. Touchiness on the subject is through the roof, though.

Cause nature is a conspiracy site right?

http://www.nature.com/news/publishing-the-peer-review-scam-1.16400

If were talking about a paper I'd be skeptical because it can be wrong for a number of reasons. When a branch of science comes up with the same data then you can't dismiss it. VAERS has been in place without any indication of problems and if you knew how that worked you'd wonder why there's nothing.

Now if want to argue that some papers are screwed up that's always been. I've known that forever, but a systemic problem which would skew results to the degree where an entire branch of science is no longer valid? OK, let's go there. Never ever believe that science can be trusted. The Higgs? No evidence. The atom? Well you never saw one. In fact you don't even know if you are real or the universe didn't just spring up out of nothing in including common memories and history. It's possible you know.

Well I said I would do what I could and I have. I've done what I could and there's no point in going on.
 

Subyman

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Notice nature published the controversy. That is the best part about science. The garbage gets exposed because everything is up for review and fact checking. It is the perfect setup for self correction. That is what makes the scientific method so strong.
 

Sunburn74

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Anywho who said anything about a conspiracy? This stuff has existed in science for a long time. Just moreso now than in the past. Touchiness on the subject is through the roof, though.

Cause nature is a conspiracy site right?

http://www.nature.com/news/publishing-the-peer-review-scam-1.16400

I think this is an interesting point. What gets into journals and what doesn't is a bit of a game of who knows who. In fact, many if not most journals will ask you about people you don't want reviewing your paper and why (usually its a personal reason).

The other interesting thing about journal publications is that people don't ask to see your data. They only see the results that you choose to publish in the form that you publish them. Overall it isn't too much of an issue because they can ask you for additional information and analysis and in general people are quite ethical about what they publish (the penalty for fraud is essentially death to your career). However, what this has lead to something called a publication bias where in general what we know about are the things people choose to publish, usually their successes rather than their failures which may outweigh those successes 10x fold. This is important because if you combine studies looking at the same thing and lump in all the failures to the successes, often those successes end up going away all together as most successes these days are quite small. (For example, imagine a high school teacher who puts on his resume that 10 of his recent 30 students are now in Ivy league schools someplace but fails to mention that for the past 5 years, no student of his was accepted into a college. He is taking advantage of a publication bias)