LOL at CK trying being rational with a pack of slavering rabid dogs. You are trying to reason with the insane. It can't be done. And you call THEM not too smart.
You can't reason with wounded animals. They are motivated by fear. You threaten them with your rational thinking and fact that refutes the altered reality they have escaped to. You call them less than intelligent but you've brought out the sharp claws of their brilliant capacity to rationalize away anything they do not hold as truthiness that comes from the disgust they feel in intestines.
They are delusional, mentally defective, and dangerous to reality. They are moral hypocrites. You are asking evil people who believe they are superior to you to see the real facts and you are using all the tools you have.
You are in danger, as we all are, from their insanity. New tools arise only with sufficient need. Spend less time trying to be reasonable and see your need.