I just wish they had one platform.. screw all the platforms...ps2,pc,ps3,x360,wii
if one system ruled them all..then they'd have no choice heh
if one system ruled them all..then they'd have no choice heh
Because developers on the console realize that people on the console don't care as much about depth or quality, so they use that as an excuse to dumb games down, therefore spending less on them. Then, everyone who keeps the misconception of the expense of PC gaming goes and buys their game. So, they make a shitload of money without being as creative as they SHOULD and CAN be. Tada.
I had a huge big reply all ready to go, but two things came to mind that summed it all up perfectly:
1. I've worked in the business off and on for about 5 years now, and I know why developers make the choices they make: Console gaming = Growing = WIN, PC gaming = Shrinking = LOSE
2. If PC gaming is "alive and well", have you ever asked yourself why you need to spend so much time trying to prove it to yourself and others?
coloumb
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That's such a small list compared to what's being released for the console.
You want to point blame for the decline of pc games? Blame it on the technology of the consoles - built in networking [and games that are built around this technology], security [anti-piracy], costs [you can rent console games, you can't rent pc games], graphics [xbox360, ps3, etc], ease of use, and the social aspects [most gamers would rather sit on the couch with their buds / girlfriends than alone at their computer desk], and easier to develop for a console [one platform, no variances].
I for one am not a fanboy of consoles - but consoles are the future of gaming.
I can't think of one game on a console that I'd play. Guitar Hero 3 was cool for a weekend.
Thats the same concept with any console games. They are fun for a weekend.
I don't have a clue?
Sounds like you are a console fanatic, thats your choice. I, for one, and I'm sure many are like me, don't see anything on a console thats appealing. They are amusement parks. Get together a few guys, play a Madden 09 game. Cheer and laugh for an hour, the end.The reason I don't buy it for the PC - Because I'd play it for a weekend - and it would be back on the shelf. Like I mentioned in my original post. Consoles are for games you play once a month when you have your friends over, or play for a weekend and get bored, and you put it down and move on.
PC Gamers don't do that. I couldn't care less if they don't make Madden 09 on the PC, I have no interest in such a thing. Nor a new game from Id Software which will provide 5 hours of gameplay.
CKent
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You have to admit PC gaming is pretty weak right now. It has nothing to do with quality of platform - PCs blow away consoles. It has to do with money, and consoles are making more.
Again, I think we'll see a gradual shift back to computers as more and more people realize they fit very well into a living room, and manufacturers capitalize on this with attractive packages. The more people do this, the cheaper it will become due to economics of scale.
Of course, game developers will need to make multiplayer games for the PC for this to happen, and it's something they've utterly refused to do so far. Multiplayer as in, you and your friends sitting around your HDTV hooked up to your PC... not multiplayer online games.
If they added a keyboard + mouse option to consoles on every game. I could start to be converted. I own a PS3 and it plays Blu Ray.
Carmack is not saying PCs are inferior, he is basically just using carefully plotted and deceitful words to say that developing games for consoles earns you the big bucks.
I don't care what anyone says, PCs are the best for me right now, consoles don't have the kind of games that made me rush to buy them, it's all shooters now and I'll be damned if I'm seen playing a shooter on an analog stick (seriously, I don't understand why shooters are so popular on consoles) and to top it off, PCs support the 360 controller, games like DMC4 and GRID support it right out of the box. Seriously, how can you play shooters with a gamepad? I'm not being picky, I have enjoyed shooters on a gamepad before (TimeSplitters 2, PS2) but you lose so much precision it's not so fun, you need all these aids like auto-aim, it's ridiculous even, it'd be like playing Warcraft III with a one-button mouse and no keyboard, I can't imagine how amazing TimeSplitter 2 would be if it was ported to the PC.
Not to mention a huge amount of awesome games are coming out this year, the only console I have my eye on is the Wii because it's not all shooters and stuff, the games on that console have remained "console" and not trying to be some PC game wannabees.
Some of the best games ever are on the PS2, that's because developers stuck to what the PS2 did best instead of trying to make the PS2 an accessible PC.
Nowadays, PCs are even cheaper and offer better experiences (framerate, graphics, modding, etc), I'm loving PC gaming like I always have but now I'm starting to shy away from console gaming simply because it's trying to be a PC TOO much, way too many shooters and even RTS are trying to hit the consoles (Command & Conquer 3 on the 360 is a big fat joke) and there's such a big emphasis on graphics when consoles are always going to be outdated on the graphics front.
I miss the PS2 days, when I played my PC and my PS2 and I actually played different games on both.
If you ask me, it's all Microsoft's fault and their "precious" Halo, they brought FPS to consoles and ruined both the genre and consoles in the process.
I don't care what anyone says, PCs are the best for me right now, consoles don't have the kind of games that made me rush to buy them, it's all shooters now and I'll be damned if I'm seen playing a shooter on an analog stick (seriously, I don't understand why shooters are so popular on consoles) and to top it off, PCs support the 360 controller, games like DMC4 and GRID support it right out of the box. Seriously, how can you play shooters with a gamepad? I'm not being picky, I have enjoyed shooters on a gamepad before (TimeSplitters 2, PS2) but you lose so much precision it's not so fun, you need all these aids like auto-aim, it's ridiculous even, it'd be like playing Warcraft III with a one-button mouse and no keyboard, I can't imagine how amazing TimeSplitter 2 would be if it was ported to the PC.
Not to mention a huge amount of awesome games are coming out this year, the only console I have my eye on is the Wii because it's not all shooters and stuff, the games on that console have remained "console" and not trying to be some PC game wannabees.
Some of the best games ever are on the PS2, that's because developers stuck to what the PS2 did best instead of trying to make the PS2 an accessible PC.
Nowadays, PCs are even cheaper and offer better experiences (framerate, graphics, modding, etc), I'm loving PC gaming like I always have but now I'm starting to shy away from console gaming simply because it's trying to be a PC TOO much, way too many shooters and even RTS are trying to hit the consoles (Command & Conquer 3 on the 360 is a big fat joke) and there's such a big emphasis on graphics when consoles are always going to be outdated on the graphics front.
I miss the PS2 days, when I played my PC and my PS2 and I actually played different games on both.
If you ask me, it's all Microsoft's fault and their "precious" Halo, they brought FPS to consoles and ruined both the genre and consoles in the process.
Originally posted by: brandonb
I can't think of one game on a console that I'd play. Guitar Hero 3 was cool for a weekend.
Thats the same concept with any console games. They are fun for a weekend.
I don't have a clue?
The reason I don't buy it for the PC - Because I'd play it for a weekend - and it would be back on the shelf. Like I mentioned in my original post. Consoles are for games you play once a month when you have your friends over, or play for a weekend and get bored, and you put it down and move on.
PC Gamers don't do that. I couldn't care less if they don't make Madden 09 on the PC, I have no interest in such a thing. Nor a new game from Id Software which will provide 5 hours of gameplay.
I'm just giving you a developer's point of view. If that doesn't hold water in your eyes, well, then nothing will.
In the end, the sales numbers and DOLLARS speak for themselves, and PC gaming is a losing proposition.
Ok let's rewind a second. Quake3 was the last multiplayer driven game Id Software created and it's only 2 gens back. It was fucking huge. Last gen they decided to go single player driven, for god knows what reason, and it bit them in the ass, but that doesn't wipe out their entire history. They've possibly made 1 mistake. Let's not blow it out of proportion, my god how short some of your memory spans are is amazing.
And yes, let's completely forget every company that was out in those days. Hell, I know it's hard to remember 3D Realms exists sometimes. Despite that if Id Software didn't do what they did you wouldn't HAVE a Valve or any of those other upstart companies.
Per the topic...
It's hard to hear Carmack say that, but I doubt he really meant anything by it, he was discussing the business side of it. I think the more annoying thing is that he doesn't see Steam as something he'd utilize for Rage. I don't care how big Rage is, Steam allows for pre-loading. What's the problem?
SneakyStuff
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It depends on what type of game is being created. It would be near impossible to replicate the smoothness of a game like Starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 on a console, and games like Assassin's creed and Gears of war are much more intuitive on a console IMO.
That may be the answer.
That may be the answer.
Just to give power to your point, Quake 3 is just one generation behind and Quake 4/QT:EW are actually current-gen games, heck, Doom 3 PC is a current-gen game. Consoles released in 2005/2006 but the current gen began on PC starting from early 2004 with the release of Far Cry and subsequently Doom 3 and Half-Life 2.
To sneakystuff (because I'm too lazy to quote your post and add it to this one): Microsoft said they didn't want their consoles to feel like computers, not to mention they can also avoid certain taxes on EU exporting. Sony isn't as firm on that position as UT3 PS3 supports mouse/kb but still.
PC is going to be around, console will probably grow. That's my guess.
What I do know is that I have not been interested in anything on PC since Crysis last December. This was my last purchase on PC. Since then, I have bought a PS3 and 7 games for it. Thank god for the new Stalker at the end of this month. I'll probably be getting Fallout 3 on console since my system wouldn't handle it well.
Tell you the truth though, this is nothing new for PC. Since having one, I've been putting up with these draughts. Consoles have always appeared to have more spaced out/casual releases. Maybe it's because consoles have gotten more popular and more mainstream recently that I'm noticing the "ineptitude" of the PC.
What I do know is that I have not been interested in anything on PC since Crysis last December. This was my last purchase on PC. Since then, I have bought a PS3 and 7 games for it. Thank god for the new Stalker at the end of this month. I'll probably be getting Fallout 3 on console since my system wouldn't handle it well.
Tell you the truth though, this is nothing new for PC. Since having one, I've been putting up with these draughts. Consoles have always appeared to have more spaced out/casual releases. Maybe it's because consoles have gotten more popular and more mainstream recently that I'm noticing the "ineptitude" of the PC.
Not all families. Most people I know take a laptop.
Look at the bold part. When you say cheaper to develop for you have to include cost for development tools (SDKs) and licenses, which are cheap for a PC, if not free. As for streamlining your platform and testing on a console. You better test it more than on a PC, because patches can be hard to implement or impossible depending on the console. Has any console game every had patch released for it. I know some of them need it. Also, I develop slot machine games that run on platforms that are more standard than PC's, but not as standard as consoles. Basically it is a standard PC with different video cards depending on the game it will play. So, I come from the middle ground. Although, our mistakes can cost us more than any other gaming platform. Trying explaining a bug that screwed a customer out of a million dollar jackpot or worse award one when they should not have won it.
Consoles pretty much have to go there. They have to have a TV to work
. Only recently have they hit the HD resolution, and have ports to connect to a PC monitor. Even then why hook a console to a LCD monitor that does 2x the resolution of the console. Connect a PC to it and actually use the LCD to its full potential. Also I don't think I would call a HTPC an enthusiast product anymore. They have been selling them for awhile now, and is a big part of Vista.If anything consoles are turning into PC's. Consoles have more 3rd party controllers and addon's then I can every remember them having before much like PC's have always had. They also support network connections now, you can even get wifi adapters for them (another addon). They come in different configurations, HD sizes or HD at all, memory card sizes. It all depends on what version of the console you buy. So, much for streamlining. Yes it is still better than the millions of PC configurations. Some consoles are even made with pretty much off the self PC parts now. How much more PC can you get than that.
MTDEW
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Ive been hoping for this for years.(i had a smart joy converter for my xbox, but it didnt ever work as well as you'd like)
Let me hook up a Keyboard and Mouse to play my FPS's on a console and i'll never even look at another pc vs console thread again, because i wont care!
Microshaft has no problem letting me plug my 360 gamepad into my pc, whats their problem with letting the console support a keyboard and mouse!
As long as both can co-exist, I say who cares? I like consoles for fighting games and car games and split-screen multiplayer games, but I prefer PCs for everything else, especially FPS. I also like being able to customize my PC so that it runs everything i want to play well. I plan on getting an Xbox360 for Virtua Fighter5 (unless PS3 gets vf5r) and SF4, but i am wondering what else I can possibly use it for... not sure if it worth that amount of moeny for just a couple of games. Maybe get a DDR game or a split-screen multiplayer game for fun with wife and friends.
Jaskalas
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I think we need new developers to step in and show these old ones how to make a game. They have become too concerned with making the most profit for the least amount of effort. They are too bogged down by the technical aspect of continually pushing the bleeding edge, which on PC is often either bugged or broken.
Stop working on DX10 and work on gameplay. Maybe if people were inspired with more quality we wouldn?t have a single game dominate for half a decade without a successor.
Stop working on DX10 and work on gameplay. Maybe if people were inspired with more quality we wouldn?t have a single game dominate for half a decade without a successor.
God Mode
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PC games will never equal console gaming due to ease of use. Products designed for lazy/casual/clueless people reign supreme over anything that requires even a small bit of manual work to use.
I've been a pc user for a while now and even I get annoyed at how many exploits, patches and problems I run into with every new software I want to use. People without a huge bank account to buy a new pc every few months tend to be a small circle of enthusiasts willing to do what they do. Mom, pop and junior arent going to learn how to build and fix pc problems for the sake of games.
I've been a pc user for a while now and even I get annoyed at how many exploits, patches and problems I run into with every new software I want to use. People without a huge bank account to buy a new pc every few months tend to be a small circle of enthusiasts willing to do what they do. Mom, pop and junior arent going to learn how to build and fix pc problems for the sake of games.
It really depends on the type of games. RPG's and strategic syms don't convert well to console due to a lack of keyboard. Some games just need a dozen or so keystrokes to play well. Every rpg type game I have played on the console has been over simplified and limited. Look at difference between oblivion for xbox and pc. Not to mention the possibility of player content with pc's.
Sure shooters, race games and sports games do better on the consoles. These are usually a different group of gamers.
Sure shooters, race games and sports games do better on the consoles. These are usually a different group of gamers.
Bateluer
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Racing games and sports games, sure, but shooters are definitely better on the PC because its superior controls.
I'm not reading this entire thread, so I don't know if this has been mentioned/discussed yet. Both MS and Sony claim the 360 and PS3 will have 10 year life spans. Right now, they are both on about year 2. The PC eclipsed both consoles in graphics capabilities before they even shipped. The PC eclipsed the 360's CPU shortly after. The Cell chip in the PS3 is more debatable, but if the latest quad core CPUs don't boast more processing power than the Cell, then they will within a year. This is all taking place in the infancy of these consoles, if you go buy MS and Sony's predictions. In 8 years, PC's will be using holographic displays and nanotech photon processors, with some expensive models delving into quantum computing.
Ummm..
C&C3 sold quite well on the Xbox.
AoC is being released for the Xbox 360 as well. Several MMO companies are targeting consoles for their next gen MMOs. Turbine is working on a PC/Xbox 360/PS3 MMO.
It doesnt matter which is more powerful. And there 10 year life spans do not mean the next Xbox and PS3 arent a couple years out.
The Xbox 360 was released in 2005. The next Xbox should be out in 2010. We should be hearing stuff about it next summer.
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