Jimmy Carter: "Give Hamas a chance"

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

The transfer of funds to the new govt.

53 million which will be used to pay for 100,000+ govt. employees.
60,000 of them security police

Israel has no right to freeze any funds, yet they do.
Just like they like to control when people can leave their homes, etc.

If they love Palestine so much that they want to control them they should just join the two countries together.. they are part of the same land. Israel = country on a land called Palestine.

Hamas's position is absurd. One one hand they want Israel to cease to exist and on the other hand they want Israel to pay them money. How can you expect payment from someone who does not exist in your opinion. If I were in Israels position I would say screw you.

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
It's rather hard to claim to want to plant democracies in the ME and immediately punish a people because they picked who you didn't like.

I think Carter is right for that reason. If Hamas continues to be an active threat, then that's one thing. Do I believe they will change? Not really, but there have been times when some quite nasty people have come about when faced with the task of governance.

You could always look at "Giving Hamas a chance" as give them enough rope.

Besides, history has shown how an abused people react. Look at Germany after WWI which was directly responsible for WWII. It's not that the Palestinians have that capability, but they have long memories. Even now it may be possible to rescue the situation, but if you start starving kids, forget it.

I agree. Hamas should be given a limited time to prove that they are capable of being part of the international community. If doing so requires them to renounce violence and recognize Israel then they should be prepared to do that. The alternative scenario is not pretty. More violence and more retributions and I do believe that ultimately the Palestinians will pay a higher price than anyone else.

From what I've read in the news Hamas has done a better job of looking after people at grass root level. So it does appear that they can do good.

It is their money.

Israel cannot steal their money.

Israel controls Palestine. Maybe that is why Palestinians hate Israel so much?

Another country controls their country that doesn't even exist yet.

Did you know that the PA owes the Israeli electric company 220 million NIS?

That's 47 million USD right there...

Link

When a suicide bomber is training for his deadly mission, he is using Israeli made electricity to provide light for the room in which he is filmed before leaving. How absurd is that?

Haha
You crack me up.

No govt. has the right to take money from another govt.

I don't care what Palestine owes Israel.

Every nation has a debt (majority).

The U.S is trillions in debt.

 

[azazyel]

Nelson Mandela's group used to cut the arms off people then put a oil soaked tire on them then light it. He still turned out pretty good.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

The transfer of funds to the new govt.

53 million which will be used to pay for 100,000+ govt. employees.
60,000 of them security police

Israel has no right to freeze any funds, yet they do.
Just like they like to control when people can leave their homes, etc.

If they love Palestine so much that they want to control them they should just join the two countries together.. they are part of the same land. Israel = country on a land called Palestine.

And who lived in Israel before the Palestinians? Jews.

If you believe your Bible....

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
my first P&N post...

CNN


Hamas is recognized by many (most?) governments as a terrorist organization. Why should anyone give them a second chance? They have a proven track record of violence and intimidation. Carter thinks they are going to change their tactics just because they now have a mandate? I would even argue that their mandate gives them the authority to "stay the course."

Jimmy Carter is a tool and loves to continuously remind people of that fact.

How is Jimmy Carter a tool? He's risked his life multiple times to help people in need in some of the worst parts of the globle. He's accomplished more for humanity than most people can even dream of.

He's one of the world greatest people, ever.

are we even talking about the same guy here? bah... Jimmy Carter is nothing more than a white Jesse Jackson: always pokin his head in where it doesnt belong and screwing things up.

The man is useless.

Screwing what things up? If by screwing up you mean dedicating his entire life helping desperate people in need...

No matter what someone may think about Jimmy Carter as a President, he sure deserves their respect and admiration as a person.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

The transfer of funds to the new govt.

53 million which will be used to pay for 100,000+ govt. employees.
60,000 of them security police

Israel has no right to freeze any funds, yet they do.
Just like they like to control when people can leave their homes, etc.

If they love Palestine so much that they want to control them they should just join the two countries together.. they are part of the same land. Israel = country on a land called Palestine.

Changed to Meuge's avatar?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

The transfer of funds to the new govt.

53 million which will be used to pay for 100,000+ govt. employees.
60,000 of them security police

Israel has no right to freeze any funds, yet they do.
Just like they like to control when people can leave their homes, etc.

If they love Palestine so much that they want to control them they should just join the two countries together.. they are part of the same land. Israel = country on a land called Palestine.

Changed to Meuge's avatar?

Aimster's avatar now.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: spherrod

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
We could give them a chance. Although any chance of them turning away from violence is more than likely slim to none.

(my first P&N post too!) I think you have to give them a chance, as they have been democratically elected by the people of Palestine. The region needs help, and maybe Hamas can be convinced that now is the time to pursue their means peacefully by engaging with the international and Israeli communities. The alternative is far worse IMO if you attempt to exclude them straight away.

Also, the IRA (Sinn Fein) had a proven track record of intimidation and violence but now seem firmly engaged in a democratic peace process

Democraticly my @ss.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

The transfer of funds to the new govt.

53 million which will be used to pay for 100,000+ govt. employees.
60,000 of them security police

Israel has no right to freeze any funds, yet they do.
Just like they like to control when people can leave their homes, etc.

If they love Palestine so much that they want to control them they should just join the two countries together.. they are part of the same land. Israel = country on a land called Palestine.

And who lived in Israel before the Palestinians? Jews.

If you believe your Bible....

May I direct you to this thread? http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1793645&enterthread=y

I AM NOT RELIGIOUS, I am sick and tired of you wacko liberals assuming everyone that is conservative is religious.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

The transfer of funds to the new govt.

53 million which will be used to pay for 100,000+ govt. employees.
60,000 of them security police

Israel has no right to freeze any funds, yet they do.
Just like they like to control when people can leave their homes, etc.

If they love Palestine so much that they want to control them they should just join the two countries together.. they are part of the same land. Israel = country on a land called Palestine.

And who lived in Israel before the Palestinians? Jews.

If you believe your Bible....

or perhaps your history books!?? you're kidding, right? this isnt even a simply religious fact, it's a HISTORICAL fact.

Heck I dont believe in the Bible anyways, as if that matters...

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Poor Israel. They are in a bind. They are so so itching to exterminate the Palestinians but that have that Holocaust albatross around their necks.

LOL :thumbsup:

I gotta say Moonbeam, alot of your posts truly impress me. You got a whole kinda American
Confucius thing going on

If only we were all pro-Islamist and anti-Israeli, then we'd all be model US citizens, eh Earl?

no kidding. when a far right politician in israel talked of expelling the palestinians he got banned. hamas...well they don't have that kind of mentality at all, genocide is quite reasonable for them, its not only accepted, its encouraged, its mandatory. and to poison the youth with hate as hitler did ..thats just their way of moving towards peace eh? poor moonbeam, siding with islamo nazis

 

[sandorski]

Jimmy is correct. It would be prudent not to burn all bridges to Hamas. Making demands on Hamas such as changing the whole eliminating Israel thing certainly is reasonable, but to simply refuse to work with Hamas on some principle will do nothing to solve the situation.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
are we even talking about the same guy here? bah... Jimmy Carter is nothing more than a white Jesse Jackson: always pokin his head in where it doesnt belong and screwing things up.
The man is useless.

Uselessly dedicating his life to bettering the lives of the poor in our country and trying peacefully to spread democracy around the world?

He may not have been a very effective president, but his work with Habitat for Humanity and his promotion of free elections wherever people are given a first taste of the vote make him, IMHO, the greatest ex-president since William Howard Taft.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

Hamas claims "the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is Muslim land"

Wonder who also makes the same claim? Likud.

I have serious problem with Hamas, but portraing them as the only ones with absolute claims over that contested region means steering away from truth.

 

[fjord]

Carter is the only person who has come close to a true resolution to the problems in the middle east. The camp david accords were a historic start towards peace.

If only the following US administrations had continued the framework started by Carter.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
my first P&N post...

CNN


Hamas is recognized by many (most?) governments as a terrorist organization. Why should anyone give them a second chance? They have a proven track record of violence and intimidation. Carter thinks they are going to change their tactics just because they now have a mandate? I would even argue that their mandate gives them the authority to "stay the course."

Jimmy Carter is a tool and loves to continuously remind people of that fact.

How is Jimmy Carter a tool? He's risked his life multiple times to help people in need in some of the worst parts of the globle. He's accomplished more for humanity than most people can even dream of.

He's one of the world greatest people, ever.

are we even talking about the same guy here? bah... Jimmy Carter is nothing more than a white Jesse Jackson: always pokin his head in where it doesnt belong and screwing things up.

The man is useless.

Screwing what things up? If by screwing up you mean dedicating his entire life helping desperate people in need...

No matter what someone may think about Jimmy Carter as a President, he sure deserves their respect and admiration as a person.

I'll agree his presidency wasn't that great by any means, however he is a great person and has without a doubt made up for it with what he has done with his post-presidency.

 

[Ferocious]

Carter got a bad rap. No he wasn't a good President, but there's been planty who have worse including W.

He inherited Nixon's wage-price fiasco. And he's the one that started the era of deregulation...often credited to Reagan.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
It's rather hard to claim to want to plant democracies in the ME and immediately punish a people because they picked who you didn't like.

Hammer meet nail head. This is precisely the reason.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

never mind Aimster hes just being his usual melodramatic self.

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: spherrod

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
We could give them a chance. Although any chance of them turning away from violence is more than likely slim to none.

(my first P&N post too!) I think you have to give them a chance, as they have been democratically elected by the people of Palestine. The region needs help, and maybe Hamas can be convinced that now is the time to pursue their means peacefully by engaging with the international and Israeli communities. The alternative is far worse IMO if you attempt to exclude them straight away.

Also, the IRA (Sinn Fein) had a proven track record of intimidation and violence but now seem firmly engaged in a democratic peace process

Democraticly my @ss.

:roll: you might want to do a spellcheck before posting.

So, in what way was the recent election not democratic?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

never mind Aimster hes just being his usual melodramatic self.

I posted the fact

Go jerk off to Yoda

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

never mind Aimster hes just being his usual melodramatic self.

I posted the fact

Go jerk off to Yoda

ok facts---website cooberation on the facts?
From a very reputable website I would hope......
Check-- ( a term commonly used in chess)
Your turn...

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel has frozen palestine's money.

This means that the palestinians will not get their paycheck.

Israel has no right to freeze any country's money, yet they do.

These are workers who have been working for the govt. since before Hamas was even elected.

So we are not giving them a chance and as a result hurting the population.
Wonderful.

What money is it that Israel has frozen? Also has Hamas rejected their stance on the destruction of Israel?

never mind Aimster hes just being his usual melodramatic self.

I posted the fact

Go jerk off to Yoda

ok facts---website cooberation on the facts?
From a very reputable website I would hope......
Check-- ( a term commonly used in chess)
Your turn...

Read the entire thread

Stop being A) Stupid B) Lazy

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
It's rather hard to claim to want to plant democracies in the ME and immediately punish a people because they picked who you didn't like.

Hammer meet nail head. This is precisely the reason.

ugh, democracy isn't one vote one time or voting in hatred and violence. democracy does come with responsibility. and frankly democratic institutions don't go well with sharia law.

 

[Vic]

This IS democracy. What did you expect? This has nothing to do with Islam or Sharia, and everything to do with the frustrations of an oppressed and impoverished people.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Jimmy is correct. It would be prudent not to burn all bridges to Hamas. Making demands on Hamas such as changing the whole eliminating Israel thing certainly is reasonable, but to simply refuse to work with Hamas on some principle will do nothing to solve the situation.

QFT