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Jesica Santillan: Irreversible brain damage (transplant patient)
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The Sauce
Diamond Member
I have read all the arguments here and have the following to say:
After seeing the family's spokesperson on the news last night blasting the hospital and the doctors for their mistake I have no more sympathy for them. Healthcare is a privelage, not a right. If it were not for the physicians taking care of her and OUR tax money, she would have died years ago. And now she is alive and still has a good chance. Instead of being grateful for FREE, QUALITY healthcare obtained ILLEGALLY, and a chance at surviving, all those scumbags can do is point fingers. Next they'll file a medmal suit against Duke and more millions of our tax dollars will pay for that. Just sickening. I feel bad for the girl, but its her family is pond-scum.
Secondly, for those goodie-goodies that think that the millions going into her healthcare won't amount to much when spread out over all the taxpayers - WRONG. I used to work at King's County Hospital in New York - one of the country's largest public hospitals. People would come off the plane at JFK Airport and come directly to the hospital with their luggage from other countries for FREE medical treatment. There was an endless stream every day. All tax money paying for that. THe hospital is not allowed to turn people away for lack of insurance. So hospitals go bankrupt, our healthcare gets worse, and billions are spent on healthcare for non-taxpaying aliens. The issue is not one girl, its a precedent that sucks the healthcare system dry. This is just one example of it.
Maybe if the family had shown one ounce of gratitude I would feel differently about the whole thing. But to essentially steal something and then have the balls to complain about it on TV (and likely sue over it later) just makes me want to barf.
After seeing the family's spokesperson on the news last night blasting the hospital and the doctors for their mistake I have no more sympathy for them. Healthcare is a privelage, not a right. If it were not for the physicians taking care of her and OUR tax money, she would have died years ago. And now she is alive and still has a good chance. Instead of being grateful for FREE, QUALITY healthcare obtained ILLEGALLY, and a chance at surviving, all those scumbags can do is point fingers. Next they'll file a medmal suit against Duke and more millions of our tax dollars will pay for that. Just sickening. I feel bad for the girl, but its her family is pond-scum.
Secondly, for those goodie-goodies that think that the millions going into her healthcare won't amount to much when spread out over all the taxpayers - WRONG. I used to work at King's County Hospital in New York - one of the country's largest public hospitals. People would come off the plane at JFK Airport and come directly to the hospital with their luggage from other countries for FREE medical treatment. There was an endless stream every day. All tax money paying for that. THe hospital is not allowed to turn people away for lack of insurance. So hospitals go bankrupt, our healthcare gets worse, and billions are spent on healthcare for non-taxpaying aliens. The issue is not one girl, its a precedent that sucks the healthcare system dry. This is just one example of it.
Maybe if the family had shown one ounce of gratitude I would feel differently about the whole thing. But to essentially steal something and then have the balls to complain about it on TV (and likely sue over it later) just makes me want to barf.
Medical mistakes do happen, these surgeons are human they are bound to make a mistake for whatever reason. As much everyone would like to think they are perfect and never ever make a mistake its impossible. Only everyone wishes that these mistakes dont happen to them or their loved ones. I think the media conveniently forgot about this.
dabuddha
Lifer
Sorry but I feel it was a waste on this child. I feel bad for this child. I really do but you have to look at the big picture. This sets a precedent for future foreigners to sneak into this country to get medical attention. And you forget the thousands upon thousands of children who are starving in our country or who can't get the proper medical care. Shouldn't we take care of them first? Or do you people who act all self righteous want to conveniently forget them. The hypocrisy is appalling at best.
Tripleshot
Elite Member
>>>I guess then the problem lies with the system. If so I'd rather have that fixed.<<<
Your problem is that you think with your wallet, not your heart. That means you worship an idol rather than God. If you had one cintilla of compassion, you would not have bothered to even post, you should just be sad this poor child is struggling with life itself, and had her life possibly taken by the very people she and her family trusted.
You won't fix the system. Most all hospitals are liscensed "not for profit" and run a tax free status. In order for them to maintain that status, a portion of their health care must be charitable, just as was done for this little girl. The intricasies of that fiduciary arangement are beyond most poeples comprehension, and law makers leave well enough alone, because hospitals do, by and large, a very good job at caring for our needs. BTW, any hospital that turns away a patient because of lack of money to pay for services, can loose thier tax exempt status, post haste. That I know for fact.
Hospitals make tons of money. This childs needs wouldn't cost any of you bed wetting crybabies 1/2 of a cent for this childs care. Get over it.:|
Your problem is that you think with your wallet, not your heart. That means you worship an idol rather than God. If you had one cintilla of compassion, you would not have bothered to even post, you should just be sad this poor child is struggling with life itself, and had her life possibly taken by the very people she and her family trusted.
You won't fix the system. Most all hospitals are liscensed "not for profit" and run a tax free status. In order for them to maintain that status, a portion of their health care must be charitable, just as was done for this little girl. The intricasies of that fiduciary arangement are beyond most poeples comprehension, and law makers leave well enough alone, because hospitals do, by and large, a very good job at caring for our needs. BTW, any hospital that turns away a patient because of lack of money to pay for services, can loose thier tax exempt status, post haste. That I know for fact.
Hospitals make tons of money. This childs needs wouldn't cost any of you bed wetting crybabies 1/2 of a cent for this childs care. Get over it.:|
We have a winner. First of all the million or so spent on her care could probably have saved maybe 10000 people through vaccinations, antibiotics, etc from dying from preventable or treatable diseases in the third world, including Mexico.
Second, what about people in the US who are waiting on long lists for heart and lung transplants, and probably won't live to see those organs? Is it fair to them to use those organs on someone who is not from this country and whose condition is so terrible and won't be helped by those transplants anyways. Would you like to tell 2 people waiting for heart transplant and two people waiting for lung transplant who paid both taxes and insurance premiums all their lives, that you just wasted two sets of organs that could have saved their lives for nothing? There are opportunity costs to these "charitable" operations, and in this case those costs are other peoples lives. Maybe they don't get as much publicity, but they deserve these organs as much or even more.
And third, medical care is already incredibly expensive, do we really need to add burdens to it when we have enough of our own problems?
You might have no problem with paying more taxes, but some people do, and shouldn't be forced to. If you want to pay for this girls surgery, maybe you should raise the money yourself, instead of forcing everyone to pay.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
The Doctors donated their services and the Medical Center paid for the treatment through Private Grants and Donations. It was classified as Research. The end result of this botched procedure could actually benefit others in the future as I'm sure much has been learned about Organ Rejections and the accompanying side effects. Prior to this surgery only Animals have been used to see what happens when the organs from donor with a different blood type are transplanted into the recipeint without the matching Blood Type. In the long run this incident may lead to the discovery of some kind of procedure where they may be able to use the organs from any donor despite the blood type. If this were to be the case then the benefits would far exceed the initial costs incurred including a malpractice suit hundreds of times over.
Of course to those who aren't capable of thinking without being told what to think by some Red Assed Conservative Talk Show Host this will be totally beyond their comprehension.
As a parent ill do anything to get medical help to my kids whether it be entering another country illegally stealing or whatever, my primary concern would be getting them medical attention to them and thats it. My kids and family come first period, end of story.
some of the people worrying about the bill or sayign that it was a waste of organs need to walk in these peoples shoes, who is to say medical insurance would have covered this cost anyway, there are enough stories about HMOs refusing to pay for operations.
some of the people worrying about the bill or sayign that it was a waste of organs need to walk in these peoples shoes, who is to say medical insurance would have covered this cost anyway, there are enough stories about HMOs refusing to pay for operations.
I guess you assumed I'm a heartless bastard because it sounds like it. But there has to be a better way of doing things. You assume the problem is with my wallet but you know what I dont have one? I dont spend money I dont have. I dont need the debt. I've been unemployed since May trying to look for work any place. For some reason, I can't find one. I have zero problems working at McD's or any other type of place. Maybe its bad luck who knows. I just have to keep going and maybe something will come up. If I was the person you say I am my parents would have kicked me out of the house because thats not the type of person they raised me to be.
To me its a Catch 22, its only human nature to help one another and be compassionate. Its also human nature to survive. The problem lies within how do you distinguish where someone is not taking advantage of the situation while trying to survive? Also in our country there are millions of people that do in fact have a job but cannot afford their own healthcare. The money has to come from somewhere to pay for it all. Lets say hospitals make enough money to cover all of their patients that are citizens and all the patients that are from out of country seeking healthcare. Where and how do the HMO's fit in ?
Hasnt there been recent strikes by doctors in various states in the US because of the ridiculously high costs of insurance? My point being every citizen in the US that has a job should be able to afford health care. Also hospitals should be able to help as many people as they can that come from out of the US seeking better health care. Hospitals shouldnt need to be closed for whatever reason it just puts strain on everyone else. Sometimes this strain can be trickled down to the patient in bad health care.
All Im saying is no one should be at the short end of the stick but there are people who can't afford it, doctors going on strike because of high insurance costs. Maybe you can explain it because if its not the system then its whomever in the system that is the problem.
MinorityReport
Senior member
There was a thread sometime earlier on Why America is the Grestest Country of all.
This is one of THE reasons why it is ....
It is unfortunate the medical staff screwed up big time, I hope it ends well .. somehow.
This is one of THE reasons why it is ....
It is unfortunate the medical staff screwed up big time, I hope it ends well .. somehow.
NesuD
Diamond Member
Look! I am generally very critical of the way illegals are coddled and allowed to live here regardless of the law but there are situations where it is completely appropriate to make exceptions and this is most definately one of them. Just because it is against the rules doesn't always mean enforcing the rule down to the letter is the most beneficial thing to do. People who feel it is necessary to enforce every rule and regulation down to the letter regardless of the circumstances surrounding the case are guilty of what i like to call " malicious obediance" which is basically being so tightly bound to the letter of the law that not only do you cause unnecessary injury to the rule or lawbreaker but you also cause injury to yourself. In this case not allowing the child to stay would have done injury to the country's image for no practical purpose. Sometimes it is better for all parties concerned to simply not worry about the rules if it benefits the involved partys. It is unfortunate that the Doctors screwed the pooch on this one but it was definately worthwhile to allow her to be here while they made the attempt.
iamwiz82
Ok I feel sorry for this girl. It is tragic what happened. I personally believe her parents should have become legal immigrants before getting her operation. Or at least made an attempt at it. If I were in the same situation I would have tried to go to another country to save my child's life.
With that said, the system screwed up. The doctors failed along with the place that the organs came from. What happened is tragic. I happen to feel that the first in line should be american citizens. How did this girl end up first in line for two organs? I truthfully don't know. I hope the girl gets better.
I do happen to feel that the family shouldn't be allowed to sue the hospital for millions of dollars. They aren't citizens of the country and are here illegally. The hospital screwed up and did everything possible by getting more donar organs. Someone else will probably die because this girl got a second set of organs. Was that the families fault? No but they should at least look at how hard everyone worked to save their daughter.
IMO we do not need to be providing healthcare for the rest of the world. On average every month 233 immigrants go to the emergency room in NC. They get FREE healthcare on the expense of everyone else. This isn't right. My tax dollars go to people that put NOTHING BACK INTO THE SYSTEM. These people are leeches on the system. They take and take and take without ever putting something back in. Do you think we can continue to do that?
This girl has had a lot of organizations pick up the tab for her. I don't blame the companies doing this. I applaud it actually but I still have a problem in general with illegal immigrants taking advantage of the system.
There is nothing to rebut. You are not saying anything concrete, or factual. Just a bunch of assumptions, ifs and maybes.
"could actually benefit"
" I'm sure much has been learned"
"this incident may lead to the discovery"
"may be able to use the organs"
"If this were to be the case"
"benefits would far exceed"
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