DoNotDisturb
Senior member
fvcking doctors.
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Jesica Santillan: Irreversible brain damage (transplant patient)
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Because we as Americans gain nothing from giving out free health care to every illegal who makes it across. The government doesn't give foreign aid out of kindness, they do it(for example) so when they want to invade someone we can use a country we've helped for a base.
This girl got 2 set of organs when she should have gotten none. I'll take back everything I ever said about Ashcroft if he has these people deported tomorrow.
Lady In Red
Senior member
Well Jesica died Saturday afternoon.
How did she come to the USa? Why not read Jesica's Story It will tell you how she came to NC. Very interesting.
Then take a look at the site that tells about Jesica and other critical ill children. Read about people that donated their time and materials that were given for monies to be made to help medical cost for critical ill children so their parents can be with them during this horrible time.
Make sure you look at the Picture Gallery of other children. Some of these kids are really pitiful. 🙁
She could not help where she was born nor did she have a say about how her health would be.
If I were her parent I would have done anything in my power to save my child. I think the most of you would do the same thing.
Life is so precious and when it's a young person fighting for life then you do what you have to do that will help them if at all possible.
You can't compare a dollar sign with a life!!!
How did she come to the USa? Why not read Jesica's Story It will tell you how she came to NC. Very interesting.
Then take a look at the site that tells about Jesica and other critical ill children. Read about people that donated their time and materials that were given for monies to be made to help medical cost for critical ill children so their parents can be with them during this horrible time.
Make sure you look at the Picture Gallery of other children. Some of these kids are really pitiful. 🙁
She could not help where she was born nor did she have a say about how her health would be.
If I were her parent I would have done anything in my power to save my child. I think the most of you would do the same thing.
Life is so precious and when it's a young person fighting for life then you do what you have to do that will help them if at all possible.
You can't compare a dollar sign with a life!!!
WalMart1564
Banned
i agree :|
alkemyst
No Lifer
This whole argument is easily summed up in the fact as a whole there is no humanity in humans any more.
They want to wake up and watch TV, eat enough food for three people and throw away 1/2 of it, drive their $45k SUV burning $5 in gas to drop off their 2.5 kids, then head to work for 8 hours without putting any more thought into it than getting through the day and paid, have a $20 lunch wasting $5 in gas getting there 🙂, come home watch TV, eat enough to feed a foreign family a week and throw out most of it and then go to bed.
They want all national debt to disappear, but not for their taxes to go up.
It's sad and why the world is the way it is...no one wants to give, yet everyone wants to take it all.
They want to wake up and watch TV, eat enough food for three people and throw away 1/2 of it, drive their $45k SUV burning $5 in gas to drop off their 2.5 kids, then head to work for 8 hours without putting any more thought into it than getting through the day and paid, have a $20 lunch wasting $5 in gas getting there 🙂, come home watch TV, eat enough to feed a foreign family a week and throw out most of it and then go to bed.
They want all national debt to disappear, but not for their taxes to go up.
It's sad and why the world is the way it is...no one wants to give, yet everyone wants to take it all.
Yes, and then in a place called reality people wake up and go to work/school, although they would like to watch tv, eat enough food for one person and throw the scraps away, drive their '95 taurus to work/school where they spend the day, have their $3 lunch that they packed for themselves or on a special occasion go eat at a restaurant for $6 spending $1 gas to get there, come home and watch tv and eat about the same as a foreign Canadian family would eat.
Nitemare
Lifer
I pay taxes to the US. I have health coverage. Did their family? I think it is sad that I would fall into a class, not rich enough to pay for everything and not poor enough to receive the best of healthcare via handouts.
My heart goes out to her family. Duke and the surgeon have both apologized and taken responsibility. She received 2 sets of organs. 4 lives could have been saved with these organs, but were wasted. Why didn't UPenn or Johns Hopkins take this charity case on? I guarantee you that because of the major sh!tstorm that is tarnishing Duke now because of it, the next Jessica will waste away in whatever piss poor country because they don't want to take that chance of some beneficent act going so horribly wrong because of one mistake.
After the families refusal to allow Jessica to be used as an organ donor....I take back my sympathy from the parents.
alkemyst
No Lifer
I would say given up to the point of when she died, I was on the side of her family.
Once they denied she give the same gift that she received [organ donatation], I think they should be put on the first bus back to their homeland. They have just ended any chance someone like Jesica get the same treatment.
Once they denied she give the same gift that she received [organ donatation], I think they should be put on the first bus back to their homeland. They have just ended any chance someone like Jesica get the same treatment.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
About the Santillan family's decision not to donate Jesica's organs.
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We have received several scathing e-mails from people who are concerned that the family refused to donate Jesica's organs. We want to make sure that there is an understanding of what has occurred. Jesica's mother had asked about donating Jesica's new heart and lungs, she thought it would be a shame for them to go to waste, and about donating Jesica's other organs. The doctors told the Santillans and Mr. Mahoney that the heart and lungs would not be serviceable for a re-transplant and that the kidneys and liver were ruined from being on life support for too lengthy a time and the other organs and tissues were so saturated with medications and anti-rejection drugs that they also would not be serviceable for donation. By the time that the doctors got around to telling the family that they may be able to use the corneas of Jesica's eyes (and that was all that would have been useable) the family had been put through the worst ordeal a family could face and a very tired and emotionally worn out mother took the advice of her legal counsel to leave Jesica as is, for the pending autopsy.
Please understand that the Santillan family and us here at JHC believe in the importance of donation. We are all extremely grateful to the two families who gave the most precious gift to Jesica to try to extend her life. The donation of the corneas, as we understand it, would not make a life saving impact for anyone.
Please consider becoming a donor and make sure to tell your family of your decision.
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Opps..don't you sound like a complete ass now!
Forgot to add, I have no problem with spending money on this girl and trying to save her, etc. Illegal or not, I'm sure we'd all love to be able to provide health for everyone. I think the thing that bothers most people is a much more scare resource that was being spent on her; the organs.
Kind of a cheap strawman to say that people are talking upset about spending money on her when they are not upset about that.
Kind of a cheap strawman to say that people are talking upset about spending money on her when they are not upset about that.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
Well the operation was paid for by a Fund set up for her so I don't believe than any taxpayers money was used. As for organs being used to save her, as far as I know the US Government doesn't own your organs when you die so who's really to say who get's them and who doesn't. Besides, I read that there is a law that allows only 5% of these types of procedures to be performed on those who aren't American Citizens.
Several things still irritate me. First, if it's true that the organs were unusable(which I'm not sure of since you posted no source) then I would feel a bit better. But they gave the second set to a girl who had virtually no chance of survival. The rules of organ procurement state that the sickest people get first dibs, but that's absurd. They should go to those who have the best chance of survival. In essence, they may have indirectly taken another life by wasting a set of organs on a lost cause. And the "family spokesman"'s claims that Duke was too slow on #2 are insane. Organs are hard to come by, 80,000 people are waiting. Should they have just run over some teens out in the parking lot until they got a blood type match?
Red Dawn
Elite Member
Actually you do make a valid point. If this girl was beyond hope then the second set of organs were wasted. I truly believe though that it's hard to judge this situation without being part of the process and without intimate knowledge of the situation I don't want to condem Duke beyond the fact that they screwed up the first time.
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