Jerry Seinfeld's diversity "controversy"

[bradley]

"He may come to regret being so flip," says Lily Rothman writer of a piece trying to generate controversy and sales for her dwindling magazine. Anyway, doesn't she mean 'flippant,' as in a lack of respect or seriousness?

Maybe she doesn't get it; Jerry has enough money to retire and live extravagantly. He can... no he has written his own ticket and doesn't have to answer to a two-bit writer. Jerry is getting paid to travel around in interesting cars (probably write-offs) and drink coffee with friends and acquaintances.

Meanwhile Time is basically running out of it. Doesn't she have a piece about Miley Cyrus and femanism to write?

 

[Drako]

OP: Those damned white Jews. <shakes his fist>

 

[MagickMan]

He had Chris Rock on his show, he's black enough for 100 guests.


(I love CR, he's laughing about this non-issue as much as anyone.)

 

[drebo]

I'm ok with that. This forum has always had a vocal anti-minority and racist perspective for over a decade. Those who ask for equality of opportunity are trolls here, while those who invaded this forum from Stormfront are lionized.

Jerry Seinfeld is an influential comedian with connections and ability to provide publicity/exposure to comics. Maybe he should be recognizing that his decisions on who to have on his show have major outcomes on various social and economic issues.

It's easy for a white male like Mr. Seinfeld to merely handwave these issues away.

So...in your eyes, equality of opportunity means that a TV show produced by a private entity should put a black person on it just because they're black?

Equality of opportunity means that a black person has the opportunity to create his own show if he wants. Which he does.

If a black person can become president, equality of opportunity has been achieved.

What you want is equality of outcome, regardless of effort. That isn't going to happen, nor should it.

MLK said it best: people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Affirmative action would have him rolling in his grave if he weren't rolling on the floor laughing at us from heaven.

 

[mizzou]

Jerry has a point. This isn't some ad that's supposed to target a specific genre audience.

Let's say I show a commercial about my business on local public TV in Houston, TX. A huge part of what I do, is interpretation services for spanish speaking peoples. This is done on a huge scale.

So what I don't do, is run a commercial with white actors, put them in brown face and pretend to speak spanish.

That would be racist.

What Jerry is doing, he's running a show about comedy, so he invites comedians that he find funny.

Race has nothing to do with it...and shouldn't.

 

[Geosurface]

MLK said it best: people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Affirmative action would have him rolling in his grave if he weren't rolling on the floor laughing at us from heaven.

In the book "Why We Can't Wait" Martin Luther King Jr. said African-Americans are entitled to:

"a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures that could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law."

Which sounds to me like he would not only have supported Affirmative Action but reparations as well. Probably not a lot of daylight between him and CanOWorms.

So I guess maybe the answer is for people who've been duped into going along with his deification to stop doing so.

Even his prominence in our history and our society is a form of affirmative action in and of itself. They even have an MLK Ave in Anchorage Alaska and a statue of him in Idaho for Pete's sake.

We are taught to revere him like Jesus (not that I revere Jesus), but just like Mother Teresa (who never really used the money she got to help the sick, dying, and poor she used to get that money) we never hear about the flaws. Namely, being a communist and plagiarist, as well as a serial adulterer.

But don't get me wrong, personal flaws don't mean he can't have had some good ideas too. I just don't think his views on affirmative action was an area where he had good views. I think he knew that at times his agenda needed to be made more palatable to white America for any progress to be made toward it.

 

[CanOWorms]

So...in your eyes, equality of opportunity means that a TV show produced by a private entity should put a black person on it just because they're black?

No. I think perhaps the TV show produced by the private entity should put on more minority and women people on it because the private entity benefited from incredible benefits. It's a matter of being a member of the community and realizing that you didn't earn all that you have. It's about civic engagement and being a modern human being.

Equality of opportunity means that a black person has the opportunity to create his own show if he wants. Which he does.

I think equal opportunity means that the person has the same opportunities as another person. That's not the case when so much power (economic, political, etc.) has been unnaturally concentrated within particular demographics and people tend to perpetuate those privileges based on race even when they don't realize it.

If a black person can become president, equality of opportunity has been achieved.

Sorry, I disagree. Barack Obama had to work much harder to get to the presidency than George Bush. Bill Clinton, a white man, even had to work harder than George Bush. There was no equality of opportunity there. That will never be equal. I just want to make it closer to equality. Right now American is basically a hardcore caste system.

MLK said it best: people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Affirmative action would have him rolling in his grave if he weren't rolling on the floor laughing at us from heaven.

I agree. That's why I want to remove privileges. Unfortunately, nothing we have is completely based on what we earned. It's too heavily based on privileges in this country. I didn't earn all that I have. A lot of it is based on privileges.

American affirmative action is really puny compared to some developing countries who actually want to create equal opportunities. I think MLK would be rolling in his grave at how pathetic it is.

 

[bradley]

Interesting factoid: Jerry Seinfeld roomed with fellow comedian George Wallace for thirteen years.

Jerry Seinfeld's Son Has Beef With George Wallace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPqHKVjNjDQ

Neither has anything to prove to the pc police.

 

[lopri]

I care. White male privilege is a social ill that needs to be dismantled, among other privileges.

I share the spirit but white male privilege stunts individual white males' freedom as well. Most white males will not acknowledge this and often act against their self interest - I guess that is the power of ideology.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Ppppft!! Who needs diversity?

If you want to portray a black person in a comedy skit, just paint a white person's face black!

 

[Triumph]

I agree. That's why I want to remove privileges. Unfortunately, nothing we have is completely based on what we earned. It's too heavily based on privileges in this country. I didn't earn all that I have. A lot of it is based on privileges.

Ok CanO, change starts within. Give up all of your privileges, and all that your privileged upbringing has given you. I'd say 50% of your take home after taxes should go directly to serving the underprivileged. Sell your car and take the bus, sell your fancy computer/cell phone and go to the library for your internet access. It all starts with you, CanO. To do any less would be hypocritical.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

In the book "Why We Can't Wait" Martin Luther King Jr. said African-Americans are entitled to:



Which sounds to me like he would not only have supported Affirmative Action but reparations as well. Probably not a lot of daylight between him and CanOWorms.

So I guess maybe the answer is for people who've been duped into going along with his deification to stop doing so.

Even his prominence in our history and our society is a form of affirmative action in and of itself. They even have an MLK Ave in Anchorage Alaska and a statue of him in Idaho for Pete's sake.

We are taught to revere him like Jesus (not that I revere Jesus), but just like Mother Teresa (who never really used the money she got to help the sick, dying, and poor she used to get that money) we never hear about the flaws. Namely, being a communist and plagiarist, as well as a serial adulterer.

But don't get me wrong, personal flaws don't mean he can't have had some good ideas too. I just don't think his views on affirmative action was an area where he had good views. I think he knew that at times his agenda needed to be made more palatable to white America for any progress to be made toward it.

Leave it to this forum's Grand Dragon to make a long, gratuitous anti-MLK post in a thread about Jerry Seinfeld. Something tells me you learned about these things on a very special kind of website that you've taken to visiting as part of your "spiritual transformation" into white supremacy.

 

[fskimospy]

Leave it to this forum's Grand Dragon to make a long, gratuitous anti-MLK post in a thread about Jerry Seinfeld. Something tells me you learned about these things on a very special kind of website that you've taken to visiting as part of your "spiritual transformation" into white supremacy.

Who bafflingly continues to insist that he's not a racist.

 

[nehalem256]

Leave it to this forum's Grand Dragon to make a long, gratuitous anti-MLK post in a thread about Jerry Seinfeld. Something tells me you learned about these things on a very special kind of website that you've taken to visiting as part of your "spiritual transformation" into white supremacy.

Actually much of what he said can be found on wikipedia:

King then began doctoral studies in systematic theology at Boston University and received his Ph.D. degree on June 5, 1955, with a dissertation on "A Comparison of the Conceptions of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Nelson Wieman". An academic inquiry concluded in October 1991 that portions of his dissertation had been plagiarized and he had acted improperly. However, "[d]espite its finding, the committee said that 'no thought should be given to the revocation of Dr. King's doctoral degree,' an action that the panel said would serve no purpose."[

In his 1986 book Bearing the Cross, David Garrow wrote about a number of extramarital affairs, including one woman King saw almost daily. According to Garrow, "that relationship ... increasingly became the emotional centerpiece of King's life, but it did not eliminate the incidental couplings ... of King's travels." He alleged that King explained his extramarital affairs as "a form of anxiety reduction". Garrow asserted that King's supposed promiscuity caused him "painful and at times overwhelming guilt".[217] King's wife Coretta appeared to have accepted his affairs with equanimity, saying once that "all that other business just doesn't have a place in the very high level relationship we enjoyed."[218] Shortly after Bearing the Cross was released, civil rights author Howell Raines gave the book a positive review but opined that Garrow's allegations about King's sex life were "sensational" and stated that Garrow was "amassing facts rather than analyzing them"

And it might be easier to clear some things up except for:

Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. in 1977 ordered that all known copies of the recorded audiotapes and written transcripts resulting from the FBI's electronic surveillance of King between 1963 and 1968 to be held in the National Archives and sealed from public access until 2027

:hmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_luther_king

 

[HomerJS]

In this case not a big deal. A reporter noticed, asked him about it and he answered.


Move on.

 

[schmuckley]

This is really not a "thing"
Either they're funny, or not funny.
Gee,White Jewish comedian has lots of Jewish friends..go figure!
George Wallace=funny
I have to agree with Jerry: "PC nonsense"
It's really just Newspeak...or Bovine Feces.

 

[Geosurface]

Leave it to this forum's Grand Dragon to make a long, gratuitous anti-MLK post in a thread about Jerry Seinfeld. Something tells me you learned about these things on a very special kind of website that you've taken to visiting as part of your "spiritual transformation" into white supremacy.

Noticing inconvenient things, taking them on board, and pointing them out does not make one a "white supremacist" (which I am not) nor a "Grand Dragon."

I am someone who believes in the preservation of cultures, with (naturally) a particular interest in mine. Nothing more sinister than that.

I did not bring up MLK, I saw someone else state confidently that MLK would be rolling over in his grave at the fact that we have affirmative action. This made me recall the quote from MLK which I posted, and while I was (as I felt) debunking one thing about him I decided to very briefly mention the fact that a LOT of the common public (saintly) image he has is at odds with the reality of who he was. I also mentioned that this didn't mean he didn't have any good ideas. I think he did have some good ideas.

We both know that calling someone a "white supremacist" or "grand dragon" or "racist" amount to nothing more than mere schoolyard insults. Mindlessly thrown in an effort to poison the well and mark the other person as "untouchable" - persona non grata, etc. It's an incredibly chicken shit and childish tactic, and one which is unfortunately VERY common around these parts.

Oh and did my pointing out that the public image of Saintly Mother Teresa (a white woman) is bullshit, also qualify me for Grand Dragon status?

 

[Doppel]

How isn't Canoworms banned? He is a massive and profoundly racist troll.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

We both know that calling someone a "white supremacist" or "grand dragon" or "racist" amount to nothing more than mere schoolyard insults. Mindlessly thrown in an effort to poison the well and mark the other person as "untouchable" - persona non grata, etc. It's an incredibly chicken shit and childish tactic, and one which is unfortunately VERY common around these parts.

Cry me a river, you coward. You post endless amounts of overtly racist, eugenicist claptrap, then when someone points it out and quotes you, they are using a "chicken shit tactic." You're the same person who wrote:

this is going to sound really outrageous to say but I think something like 80%+ of blacks in the USA are worthless criminals

You're a racist, and people here deserve to know that before they waste their time wading into your endless, self-indulgent pablum. To borrow your phrase, noticing inconvenient things, taking them on board, and pointing them out does not mean one is engaging in "chicken shit tactics." I wouldn't keep bringing it up except that you keep doing things like posting detailed anti-MLK information in threads like this one. You seem obsessed with race, and infuse it into all kinds of discussions where it is at most tangentially relevant, if at all.

 

[Geosurface]

Cry me a river, you coward. You post endless amounts of overtly racist, eugenicist claptrap, then when someone points it out and quotes you, they are using a "chicken shit tactic." You're the same person who wrote:

Yep, a stupid off the cuff thing said with far too little thought or deliberation behind it. I've slipped up and said stupid shit like that a few times. Wish I could take those times back but I cannot. If I'd said something spectacularly stupid about the economy or something, I doubt there'd be chroniclers who go around with my "greatest hits" making sure any posters who missed them get a chance to see them.

Unfortunately issues that touch on race in any way are the ultimate taboo these days and those who dare trespass into that territory in any way OTHER than apologizing for being white and blaming everything on white racism, are the ultimate heretics of our society.

I wouldn't keep bringing it up except that you keep doing things like posting detailed anti-MLK information in threads like this one. You seem obsessed with race, and infuse it into all kinds of discussions where it is at most tangentially relevant, if at all.

I've always been someone drawn to controversial topics and fascinated by why certain things are forbidden to discuss, and when I sniff out intense emotional defense mechanisms surrounding an issue on the part of almost everyone, it just gets me even more interested in why that is the case. It actually took me a very long time to realize that race was probably the absolute best example of such an issue, but once I realized it, yes, I agree, it is hard not to want to poke it and prod it a bit. I have been trying to learn how to do that without being an asshole about it, or making wild generalizations I later think better of.

I didn't think I got particularly detailed about MLK. I don't like taboos though, and I don't like when our society "saints" people, or deifies them. I have always distrusted religion and distrusted things being considered sacred. It annoys me and motivates me to shoot holes in those things. This is a big part of why Christopher Hitchens was a hero of mine. Relentless assault on taboos, no automatic or unexamined deference for anything. He was the main person who took the wind out of Mother Teresa's sails. She was basically a scam artist.

I just mentioned a couple factoids about MLK that I've run across over the last couple of years. To the best of my ability to discern it, they are factual. Some of them are clearly factual with no doubt about it.

I have a dream that one day people will be able to point out the flaws of famous figures regardless of the color of their skin and not be called racists for doing so.

 

[Matt1970]

No. I think perhaps the TV show produced by the private entity should put on more minority and women people on it because the private entity benefited from incredible benefits. It's a matter of being a member of the community and realizing that you didn't earn all that you have. It's about civic engagement and being a modern human being.

You must have been pounding your fists on the coffee table in rage every time the Cosby show came on with it's largely black cast. That's not reflecting the diversity of the US. The NFL and NBA for equally enrage you. This is, unless you are a hypocrite.

 

[Texashiker]

I care. White male privilege is a social ill that needs to be dismantled, among other privileges.

lolololol.

Yea, keep thinking privilege when white males make up the majority of people killed in industrial accidents.

Are we going to start putting quotas on people doing dangerous of dirty jobs?

Meet the 11 men who died during the Deepwater Horizon explosion.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-05-25-oil-spill-victims-memorial_N.htm

Please keep telling my about white male privilege when we are the ones dying so you can live your normal life.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I care. White male privilege is a social ill that needs to be dismantled, among other privileges.

America needs to be more than a mere land of opportunity, but a land of equal opportunity.

Let me guess....

You failing at school, some other person's fault.

You not getting into college, some other person's fault.

You being a deadbeat, some other person's fault.

You not having a job, some other person's fault.

You getting arrested, some other person's fault.




The problem is you, not everyone else. This country does not have "white privilege". We do have a major problem of "white blame". Move to your promised land of the UK and see what real racism is like.

 

[fskimospy]

The problem is you, not everyone else. This country does not have "white privilege". We do have a major problem of "white blame". Move to your promised land of the UK and see what real racism is like.

lol, I was waiting for this one. I have to say it takes an impressive combination of delusion and racism to think that the white people are the true victims in the US.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

lol, I was waiting for this one. I have to say it takes an impressive combination of delusion and racism to think that the white people are the true victims in the US.

Oh no, not victims. I honestly couldn't care less who blames white people, getting blamed doesn't make them a victim.


The real victim here are the young blacks. But they're a victim of their own culture's race brigade against white people.

Their children are taught that they WILL be "held back", and that they're "owed", and that if they fail it isn't their fault it's the "white people" or the "government" or the "racist businesspeople". They are seemingly taught to specifically look for ways to blame things on race, to blame their race or some other race.

And that's a terrible thing, to do to a child... To teach them that their actions are never the problem, it's always someone else. It removes any accountability and promotes low-class poor culture.

This thread is a perfect example what how these people process things.