Jenny McCarthy Says She's Pro-Vaccine

[davmat787]

Are you being sarcastic regarding their benevolence? The six biggest vaccine manufactures have received billions upon billions in government subsidies (corporate welfare) to build new plants and manufacture new vaccines.

One doesn't need do much digging to find the actual documents either, much of it's listed at fedbizopps.gov.

You're right, the NSA should have that money rather than vaccine corporations.

I don't think government support of vaccine companies that research and make them, and resulting public health benefits, should fall under the classic "corporate welfare" moniker.

I am more to the right than left, but that kind of spending along with disease research money going to universities and agencies just makes sense. And infrastructure. Imagine if even half, rather than a measlesly (pun!) 9% of the stimulus money went to infrastructure spending. *sigh*

 

[bradley]

Billions compared to what? Do you even understand the magnitude of what you are talking about?

Their profit is driven by drugs, not by vaccinations or immunizations. Those are a pittance and likely yield well below their cost of capital.

Furthermore, the presence of profits, or of studies, does not mean they are wrong. If you could come up with a peer reviewed factually correct study to prove any of your suppositions you may be correct, but you can't.

Talk about jumping to conclusions. My point: the myth about drug manufacturers not profiting from vaccinations and immunizations is dead wrong.

The fact that drug revenues are larger than their corporate welfare is irrelevant. Do I understand the magnitude of Wall Street and investors' bottom line now that the goalposts have been moved? Hmm....

 

[LegendKiller]

Talk about jumping to conclusions. My point: the myth about drug manufacturers not profiting from vaccinations and immunizations is dead wrong.

The fact that drug revenues are larger than their corporate welfare is irrelevant. Do I understand the magnitude of Wall Street and investors' bottom line now that the goalposts have been moved? Hmm....

It's not jumping to conclusions - by saying they get billions may make it profitable, it may not. In the general sense of their P&L it may actually still lead to a money losing proposition.

Can you say it isn't?

It is clear that their profits are driven by drugs, not by vaccinations, so saying that there is huge money in this and they are somehow covering something up because of it is silly.

 

[mrjminer]

Talk about jumping to conclusions. My point: the myth about drug manufacturers not profiting from vaccinations and immunizations is dead wrong.

The fact that drug revenues are larger than their corporate welfare is irrelevant. Do I understand the magnitude of Wall Street and investors' bottom line now that the goalposts have been moved? Hmm....

You just found out you have a deadly disease. The pharmaceutical company sells what they market as a cure for practically all cases of the disease. Since they have starting selling this "cure" the occurrences of the disease have dropped by over 99% and over 99% of people who take the "cure" are no longer infected.

Do you take the cure?

 

[bradley]

It's not jumping to conclusions - by saying they get billions may make it profitable, it may not. In the general sense of their P&L it may actually still lead to a money losing proposition.

Can you say it isn't?

It is clear that their profits are driven by drugs, not by vaccinations, so saying that there is huge money in this and they are somehow covering something up because of it is silly.

Who said they were covering up subsidies clearly listed on the governments own website? That *is* silly. "It may lead to a money losing proposition"? I though we were only dealing in facts here. And you are trying to infer anything about me being naive?

Anyhow I'm on a case-by-case basis with vaccinations (and again, understand the clear distinction between them and immunizations.)

For instance Gardasil and Cervarix, also developed through govt. subsidies, I wouldn't touch that stuff even with Jenny McCarthy's deltoid, and perhaps neither would one of the lead researchers responsible for Phase II and III trials, btw. Right now there's a witch hunt against Dr. Harper for trying to blow the whistle.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

Oh another btw, two virologists who worked on MMR (also govt. subsidized) are suing their former employer Merck for overstating the vaccine's effectiveness for 10 years.

http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/July-2012/merck-lawsuit-reignites-vaccine-safety-concerns.aspx

 

[Sea Ray]

I don't think someone willfully uses the word toxins and thinks vaccines are scary is someone who should be accusing others of a poor education.

Thankfully your child didn't catch whooping cough from your negligence.

Like I said, I support getting kids vaccinated and w/o a doubt, mine is as well. The fact is that the autism numbers are growing and we don't yet know why. Being cautious for now is prudent

 

[Sea Ray]

Here's a study that does show a link between toxins (aluminum) and autism:

A study published in the Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry by researchers at the Neural Dynamics Group, Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences at the University of British Columbia determined that Aluminum, a highly neurotoxic metal and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant may be a significant contributing factor to the rising prevalence of ASD in the Western World. They showed that the correlation between ASD prevalence and the Aluminum adjuvant exposure appears to be the highest at 3-4 months of age. The studies also show that children from countries with the highest ASD appear to have a much higher exposure to Aluminum from vaccines. The study points out that several prominent milestones of brain development coincide with major vaccination periods for infants. These include the onset of synaptogenesis (birth), maximal growth velocity of the hippocampus and the onset of amygdala maturation. Furthermore, major developmental transition in many bio-behavioural symptoms such as sleep, temperature regulation, respiration and brain wave patterns, all of which are regulated by the neuroendocrine network. Many of these aspects of brain function are known to be impaired in autism, such as sleeping and brain wave patterns.

http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf

 

[Brainonska511]

Sorry, the pro-vaccination people are as funny as the anti-vac people. The only difference: there is safety and power in numbers.

Any extreme position for its own sake makes me laugh, or anyone who luxuriates in the satiation of more questions than answers being given by authority figures.

If Jenny was smart, there's plenty of money to be made in riling her core audience into a lather. I'll bet the death threats got to be too persuasive.... sort of like the offer one cannot refuse.

Being Pro-vaccination is not an "extreme position". It's the rational position, based on all available scientific evidence.

 

[Paratus]

Who said they were covering up subsidies clearly listed on the governments own website? That *is* silly. "It may lead to a money losing proposition"? I though we were only dealing in facts here. And you are trying to infer anything about me being naive?

Anyhow I'm on a case-by-case basis with vaccinations (and again, understand the clear distinction between them and immunizations.)

For instance Gardasil and Cervarix, also developed through govt. subsidies, I wouldn't touch that stuff even with Jenny McCarthy's deltoid, and perhaps neither would one of the lead researchers responsible for Phase II and III trials, btw. Right now there's a witch hunt against Dr. Harper for trying to blow the whistle.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

Oh another btw, two virologists who worked on MMR (also govt. subsidized) are suing their former employer Merck for overstating the vaccine's effectiveness for 10 years.

http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/July-2012/merck-lawsuit-reignites-vaccine-safety-concerns.aspx

Another easily led conspiracy theorist who can't tell reality from make believe.

Stop with the bullshit conspiracy hypothesis and find a peer-reviewed article supporting your point.

I mean you're even too lazy to just copy the warning labels each vaccine comes with.

 

[Matt1970]

I'm not convinced that flu vaccinations are anything other than a huge waste of time, energy and money (also potentially harmful) vs. naturally boosting the immune system.

Though congratulations to those pro-pharma people getting a Rhodes Scholar like Jenny McCarthy to 180 on her once fervent position, even Joseph Stalin and McCarthy would admire the tactics.

I know a lot of people that have gotten sick from flu vaccinations.

 

[dank69]

I know a lot of people that have gotten sick from flu vaccinations.

That's a common side-effect of the vaccine. Do you understand what a flu vaccine actually does? Hint: it kicks your immune system into gear.

 

[Matt1970]

That's a common side-effect of the vaccine. Do you understand what a flu vaccine actually does? Hint: it kicks your immune system into gear.

Do you understand why people take a vaccine? Hint: it's to avoid something.

 

[Genx87]

Like I said, I support getting kids vaccinated and w/o a doubt, mine is as well. The fact is that the autism numbers are growing and we don't yet know why. Being cautious for now is prudent

It may be we are diagnosing it more than in the past. I find it hard to believe a natural rate in the spread of autism would see such large increases. I suspect autism has always been this prevalent. But in the past we would call them retarded, mentally unstable or in cases of being a high level autistic, slow or socially awkward.

 

[dank69]

Do you understand why people take a vaccine? Hint: it's to avoid something.

I'm not surprised you don't understand how the immune system works or what the symptoms actually mean.

 

[Sea Ray]

It may be we are diagnosing it more than in the past. I find it hard to believe a natural rate in the spread of autism would see such large increases. I suspect autism has always been this prevalent. But in the past we would call them retarded, mentally unstable or in cases of being a high level autistic, slow or socially awkward.

Autism has increased 20 to 30 fold since the 1960s. It used to be 1 in 2500; now it's one in 68. I think there's more going on than doctors being more aggressive in diagnosing it

 

[Iron Woode]

Who said they were covering up subsidies clearly listed on the governments own website? That *is* silly. "It may lead to a money losing proposition"? I though we were only dealing in facts here. And you are trying to infer anything about me being naive?

Anyhow I'm on a case-by-case basis with vaccinations (and again, understand the clear distinction between them and immunizations.)

For instance Gardasil and Cervarix, also developed through govt. subsidies, I wouldn't touch that stuff even with Jenny McCarthy's deltoid, and perhaps neither would one of the lead researchers responsible for Phase II and III trials, btw. Right now there's a witch hunt against Dr. Harper for trying to blow the whistle.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

Oh another btw, two virologists who worked on MMR (also govt. subsidized) are suing their former employer Merck for overstating the vaccine's effectiveness for 10 years.

http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/July-2012/merck-lawsuit-reignites-vaccine-safety-concerns.aspx

your first link has been debunked.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/gardasil.asp

the second one is still before the courts. nothing has been proven.

 

[Paratus]

Autism has increased 20 to 30 fold since the 1960s. It used to be 1 in 2500; now it's one in 68. I think there's more going on than doctors being more aggressive in diagnosing it

You've told us what you've done to reduce the "risk" of autism from vaccines. What was the trade off in risk that you made in your mind? Or was there no downside in your mind?

 

[Iron Woode]

Here's a study that does show a link between toxins (aluminum) and autism:


http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf

already has been debunked.

Autism has increased 20 to 30 fold since the 1960s. It used to be 1 in 2500; now it's one in 68. I think there's more going on than doctors being more aggressive in diagnosing it

logic fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_autism

check out Frequency.

 

[Sea Ray]

You've told us what you've done to reduce the "risk" of autism from vaccines. What was the trade off in risk that you made in your mind? Or was there no downside in your mind?

Very little risk in my mind. My kid had a stay at home Mom; no day care. Not much polio/small pox going around these days because most people are already vaccinated (which I've stated is good). If my kid got chicken pox or measles, it'll be a hassle for a week but it's not life threatening.

Some around here have falsely stated that there's NO evidence link between vaccines and autism. Well there is some evidence and I quoted a study earlier.

When I was a kid I hated cigarette smoke yet there was very little evidence that it was bad for me. Sometimes it takes awhile for the evidence to show up.

 

[Sea Ray]

already has been debunked.

Where?

 

[dank69]

already has been debunked.


logic fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_autism

check out Frequency.

Not just debunked but if it's the study I think it might be it's been retracted and the author admitted he falsified data.

 

[Newell Steamer]

This is perfect; whooping cough, diseases that were nearly wiped out are making a come back,... next, the black plague returns.

Enjoy it, 'Murica.

 

[Sea Ray]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_autism

check out Frequency.

Hey, that very site makes my point:

ASD averages a 4.3:1 male-to-female ratio.[2] The number of children known to have autism has increased dramatically since the 1980s, at least partly due to changes in diagnostic practice; it is unclear whether prevalence has actually increased;[2] and as-yet-unidentified environmental risk factors cannot be ruled out

Since you posted the site I assume you agree with the statement above. I think we've stumbled upon some common ground

 

[Sea Ray]

Not just debunked but if it's the study I think it might be it's been retracted and the author admitted he falsified data.

If you have more info on that study, throw it out here for all of us to see. I'm all for putting as many facts as possible on the table. As I said, I don't know whether vaccines have a role in autism.

 

[dank69]

Doesn't look like you linked the Lancet study (but the study you linked did reference the Lancet study) but this is the thing I was thinking of.