Jenny McCarthy Says She's Pro-Vaccine

[Genx87]

Autism has increased 20 to 30 fold since the 1960s. It used to be 1 in 2500; now it's one in 68. I think there's more going on than doctors being more aggressive in diagnosing it

Why do you think that? It seems to me if doctors are more aware of the condition they are now properly diagnosing people. Which would increase the rate.

 

[Sea Ray]

Doesn't look like you linked the Lancet study (but the study you linked did reference the Lancet study) but this is the thing I was thinking of.

Did Wakefield retract his study and admit that he falsified data like you said earlier?

 

[Sea Ray]

Why do you think that? It seems to me if doctors are more aware of the condition they are now properly diagnosing people. Which would increase the rate.

I think doctors are more aggressive in diagnosing it but is that alone enough to account for an increase from 1:2500 to 1:68? I don't know. That's a pretty big jump

 

[dank69]

Did Wakefield retract his study and admit that he falsified data like you said earlier?

Don't have time to read the whole wiki page on Wakefield but it looks like The Lancet retracted his study on grounds of falsified data/information but Wafefield refuses to admit it.

 

[Brainonska511]

MISCONCEPTION #4. Vaccines cause many harmful side effects, illnesses, and even death - not to mention possible long-term effects we don't even know about.

Vaccines are actually very safe, despite implications to the contrary in many anti-vaccine publications (which sometimes contain the number of reports received by VAERS, and allow the reader to infer that all of them represent genuine vaccine side-effects). Most vaccine adverse events are minor and temporary, such as a sore arm or mild fever. These can often be controlled by taking acetaminophen before or after vaccination. More serious adverse events occur rarely (on the order of one per thousands to one per millions of doses), and some are so rare that risk cannot be accurately assessed. As for vaccines causing death, again so few deaths can plausibly be attributed to vaccines that it is hard to assess the risk statistically. Of all deaths reported to VAERS between 1990 and 1992, only one is believed to be even possibly associated with a vaccine. Each death reported to VAERS is thoroughly examined to ensure that it is not related to a new vaccine-related problem, but little or no evidence suggests that vaccines have contributed to any of the reported deaths. The Institute of Medicine in its 1994 report states that the risk of death from vaccines is "extraordinarily low."


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Risk from Disease versus Risk from Vaccines

Measles and Rubella vs. MMR Vaccine

Even one serious adverse event in a million doses of vaccine cannot be justified if there is no benefit from the vaccination. If there were no vaccines, there would be many more cases of disease, and along with the more disease, there would be serious sequelae and more deaths. But looking at risk alone is not enough - you must always look at both risks and benefits. Comparing the risk from disease with the risk from the vaccines can give us an idea of the benefits we get from vaccinating our children.
DISEASE

Measles
Pneumonia: 6 in 100
Encephalitis: 1 in 1,000
Death: 2 in 1,000

Rubella
Congenital Rubella Syndrome: 1 in 4 (if woman becomes infected early in pregnancy)
​

VACCINES

MMR
Encephalitis or severe allergic reaction:
1 in 1,000,000
​

Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis vs. DTap Vaccine

DISEASE

Diphtheria
Death: 1 in 20

Tetanus
Death: 2 in 10

Pertussis
Pneumonia: 1 in 8
Encephalitis: 1 in 20
Death: 1 in 1,500
​

VACCINES

DTaP
Continuous crying, then full recovery: 1 in 1000
Convulsions or shock, then full recovery: 1 in 14,000
Acute encephalopathy: 0-10.5 in 1,000,000
Death: None proven
​

The fact is that a child is far more likely to be seriously injured by one of these diseases than by any vaccine. While any serious injury or death caused by vaccines is too many, it is also clear that the benefits of vaccination greatly outweigh the slight risk, and that many, many more injuries and deaths would occur without vaccinations. In fact, to have a medical intervention as effective as vaccination in preventing disease and not use it would be unconscionable.

Research is underway by the U.S. Public Health Service to better understand which vaccine adverse events are truly caused by vaccines and how to reduce even further the already low risk of serious vaccine-related injury.


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MISCONCEPTION #6. Giving a child multiple vaccinations for different diseases at the same time increases the risk of harmful side effects and can overload the immune system.

Children are exposed to many foreign antigens every day. Eating food introduces new bacteria into the body, and numerous bacteria live in the mouth and nose, exposing the immune system to still more antigens. An upper respiratory viral infection exposes a child to 4 - 10 antigens, and a case of "strep throat" to 25 - 50. According to Adverse Events Associated with Childhood Vaccines, a 1994 report from the Institute of Medicine, "In the face of these normal events, it seems unlikely that the number of separate antigens contained in childhood vaccines . . . would represent an appreciable added burden on the immune system that would be immunosuppressive." And, indeed, available scientific data show that simultaneous vaccination with multiple vaccines has no adverse effect on the normal childhood immune system.


A number of studies have been conducted to examine the effects of giving various combinations of vaccines simultaneously. In fact, neither the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) nor the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) would recommend the simultaneous administration of any vaccines until such studies showed the combinations to be both safe and effective. These studies have shown that the recommended vaccines are as effective in combination as they are individually, and that such combinations carry no greater risk for adverse side effects. Consequently, both the ACIP and AAP recommend simultaneous administration of all routine childhood vaccines when appropriate.



There are two practical factors in favor of giving a child several vaccinations during the same visit. First, we want to immunize children as early as possible to give them protection during the vulnerable early months of their lives. Second, giving several vaccinations at the same time will mean fewer office visits for vaccinations, which saves parents both time and money and may be less traumatic for the child.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#cause
(Underlining is mine)

 

[LegendKiller]

Here's a study that does show a link between toxins (aluminum) and autism:


http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf

It doesn't show a "link", it shows a meta-data correlation and it isn't a peer reviewed scientific study, it is a meta-data study with horrible statistical controls. Any real scientist would be massively embarrassed to publish that, why? Because they didn't control for anything and allowed their "study" to be tainted by that. In other worlds, they sought a conclusion and aimed right for it, ignoring anything that could have deviated them.

They also confused correlation with causation, something you just did with your "link" comment.

Anybody with a modicum of education in statistical analysis knows that things can be very correlated but not make a causal link, especially if confounding statistical factors are not controlled for.

Here is a great explanation of why that "study" is a joke.I bet I could find dozens of things that are positively correlated with autism.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/12/08/and-global-warming-is-caused-by-the-decr/


yet again you and the anti-vaxxers show how ridiculous, anti-knowledge and anti-science you are.

 

[Iron Woode]

If you have more info on that study, throw it out here for all of us to see. I'm all for putting as many facts as possible on the table. As I said, I don't know whether vaccines have a role in autism.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/12/08/and-global-warming-is-caused-by-the-decr/

read and learn.

 

[Sea Ray]

yet again you and the anti-vaxxers show how ridiculous, anti-knowledge and anti-science you are.

And you're showing how open your mind is. I'm not sure if there's a link or not but I'm not going to rule it out:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10024001-0137-8

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071206.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748679

 

[Sea Ray]

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/12/08/and-global-warming-is-caused-by-the-decr/

read and learn.

So a blogger disagrees with the study. Fine. That's America for you. Some will agree with it, some won't

 

[dank69]

So a blogger disagrees with the study. Fine. That's America for you. Some will agree with it, some won't

Wow, you read that whole thing in 9 minutes? You must be smart!

 

[CitizenKain]

If my kid got chicken pox or measles, it'll be a hassle for a week but it's not life threatening.

I feel bad for your kid. Risked them getting measles because you think it would just be a hassle.

 

[Sea Ray]

I feel bad for your kid. Risked them getting measles because you think it would just be a hassle.

Life's full of risks. Many members of my family had measles and they're just fine but thank you for your concern

 

[Iron Woode]

Life's full of risks. Many members of my family had measles and they're just fine but thank you for your concern

and this folks is the rationalization that anti-vaxxers use.

they don't really care about what happens to anyone else.

they don't care about the kids that died, went blind or have brain damage from measles. They just brush it off as if it were just a cold.

and what of Pertussis? ever witness a child infected with that?

anti-vaxxers are just cold hearted, irrational idiots who fail at common sense.

 

[Vic]

Very little risk in my mind. My kid had a stay at home Mom; no day care. Not much polio/small pox going around these days because most people are already vaccinated (which I've stated is good). If my kid got chicken pox or measles, it'll be a hassle for a week but it's not life threatening.

Chicken pox and the measles are both life threatening.

 

[thraashman]

Life's full of risks. Many members of my family had measles and they're just fine but thank you for your concern

And how many exposures that were caused by them having measles resulted in serious complications or death in others?

 

[brycejones]

Life's full of risks. Many members of my family had measles and they're just fine but thank you for your concern

That's just plain stinking ignorant.

 

[spinejam]

Ignorance and blind faith really fuel these threads to the point of entertainment. I really enjoy the self-proclaimed intellectuals who tend to spout their absolutes w/ regard to their point of view. You want to put blind-trust in the government / CDC / big pharma / AMA controlling your health??? --- have at it. After all, these events never happened either:

Tuskegee syphilis study: conducted by the U.S. Public Health Service from 1932 to 1972. (40 years!!!)

Diethylstilbestrol (DES): From about 1940 to 1970, DES was given to pregnant women in the mistaken belief it would reduce the risk of pregnancy complications and losses. (30 years!!!)

...and why did they develop the acellular version of DTP? Hmmmm..... I guess all those kids contracting Whooping Cough ~14 days post-inoculation were just cases "caught in the wild" lol.

Gardasil --- tbd.

For the record, I do believe vaccines are fairly safe and effective. In most cases, they contribute to the overall health and well being of a population. However, should they be mandatory??? --- Hell No!

 

[Meghan54]

Do you understand why people take a vaccine? Hint: it's to avoid something.

Question is, do you understand? It's to avoid a full blown case of whatever disease/illness is being vaccinated against. Of course, one has to understand how a vaccine works, which obviously you don't.

Hint: You get a very mild case of whatever disease the vaccine is to prevent to build anitbodies. You cannot build antibodies, which prevent the full blown disease from occurring, unless you're exposed to the antigen of the disease. The vaccine presents the body a very dilute/weakened form of the antigen giving the body the exposure necessary to build said antibodies.

Works.

 

[Meghan54]

Did Wakefield retract his study and admit that he falsified data like you said earlier?

Retracted autism study an "elaborate fraud", British journal finds.

An investigation published by the British medical journal BMJ concludes the study's author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study -- and that there was "no doubt" Wakefield was responsible.

"It's one thing to have a bad study, a study full of error, and for the authors then to admit that they made errors," Fiona Godlee, BMJ's editor-in-chief, told CNN. "But in this case, we have a very different picture of what seems to be a deliberate attempt to create an impression that there was a link by falsifying the data."


Britain stripped Wakefield of his medical license in May (2011).

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/



A little more about Wakefield's "study":

Ooops, sorry about that outbreak


Here's the backdrop: An unknown British scientist named Andrew Wakefield and 12 colleagues published a paper claiming a link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, gastrointestinal disease and autism. The Lancet promoted it; the news media reported it; and parents in wealthy countries believed it.


There were just a few problems, though. The first and most obvious was the fact that there were more authors than subjects. The study was based on 12 children from the hospital where Wakefield was working. For The Lancet to publish, let alone promote, work that negates years of medical wisdom based on a skimpy analysis of 12 kids was highly irresponsible from the get go.


Next was the article's opening line: "We investigated a consecutive series of children with chronic enterocolitis and regressive developmental disorder." Nope, unless "consecutive" means 1, 5, 8 and onward. Subsequent analysis of the methodology, which should have been done during the peer review process, revealed that Wakefield cherry picked the patients for the study.


Next came the lousy job in cheery picking. Although the paper claimed that cognitive problems developed a few days after the MMR vaccine, a simple investigation of hospital records revealed this wasn't so; and in several cases parents reported problems before the vaccine.


Next were the conflicts of interest. Seems that Wakefield was getting money from lawyers planning on suing vaccine makers, and he owned a patent on an alternative to the MMR vaccine.

http://www.livescience.com/6104-vaccine-autism-link-long-inaccurate-history.html

 

[Sea Ray]

Chicken pox and the measles are both life threatening.

I guess the cold and flu can be as well. I vaccinated my kid. She's covered

 

[Sea Ray]

Retracted autism study an "elaborate fraud", British journal finds.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/



A little more about Wakefield's "study":



http://www.livescience.com/6104-vaccine-autism-link-long-inaccurate-history.html

I had never heard of Wakefield until his name came up in this thread. Theat poster had referred to a study where the researcher himself admitted to falsifying his numbers; I was merely asking if that was the case he was thinking of

 

[Sea Ray]

That's just plain stinking ignorant.

What's ignorant? That I waited until my kid was 3.5 years old before I vaccinated her?

 

[WelshBloke]

I guess the cold and flu can be as well. I vaccinated my kid. She's covered

Eh? Flu certainly can be. Flu is one of the major killers in pandemic outbreaks.
Its killed many, many millions of people.

 

[brycejones]

What's ignorant? That I waited until my kid was 3.5 years old before I vaccinated her?

Good grief, don't you even read your own posts?

Life's full of risks. Many members of my family had measles and they're just fine but thank you for your concern

Nowhere are do you mention waiting until your kid is 3.5.

 

[Sea Ray]

Eh? Flu certainly can be. Flu is one of the major killers in pandemic outbreaks.
Its killed many, many millions of people.

Yes, that's what I was saying. Flu as well as a lot of things can be killers. We're in agreement