J.J. Watt is the 2014 NFL MVP.

[zinfamous]

Dude. I know that part is not quantifiable. That's why I wrote a paragraph about how it's not quantifiable. If you've read this entire page and still don't know what the fuck is going on, I don't think I can help you.

And, I'm not sure exactly what the second part means, but he has 17.5 already (in addition to a fuckton of other juicy stats) and is getting double teamed and/or held on nearly every play. I've watched about 2/3 of the Texans games this season...you?

dude--it's sp33demon. the member here who does nothing but jabber on about fantasy football lineups, and never seems to actually watch a game.

 

[Meghan54]

If you start looking at it that way, then obviously the mvp would always go to a qb. The position has the most impact on a team (good or bad) no matter what.

Personally I think Watt should be the MVP. The guy is a one man wrecking crew on defense, the way Lawrence Taylor used to be. Then he even scores some TD's on both offense and defense for good measure.

First, that's one factor into how an MVP should be determined. Is the player and his performance this year that valuable that moving him to another team would instantly make that team better?

Second, JJ Watt deserves consideration......as soon as he passes his stats from 2012, which was a better year for him than this one.

To match his 2012 stats, Watt will have to have these in this weekend's game, the last reg. season game: 3 sacks, 16 tackles, 10 stuffs (denies/tackles a running play at or behind the line of scrimmage), 6 passes defended (preventing receiver from catching pass--knockdowns, etc.), create 1 fumble.

If Watt has 16 tackles, 3 sacks, defends 6 passes, creates 1 fumble.....all in this last game, I'll crown him MVP and so will a host of others. If not, this season, while very, very good, hasn't been his best so far.

 

[angminas]

Second, JJ Watt deserves consideration......as soon as he passes his stats from 2012, which was a better year for him than this one.

To match his 2012 stats, Watt will have to have these in this weekend's game, the last reg. season game: 3 sacks, 16 tackles, 10 stuffs (denies/tackles a running play at or behind the line of scrimmage), 6 passes defended (preventing receiver from catching pass--knockdowns, etc.), create 1 fumble.

If Watt has 16 tackles, 3 sacks, defends 6 passes, creates 1 fumble.....all in this last game, I'll crown him MVP and so will a host of others. If not, this season, while very, very good, hasn't been his best so far.

We are discussing the National Football League...Most Valuable Player award...for the 2014 season. Not the J.J. Watt Better Than 2012 Award. Not the Best Season Yet award.

Seems pretty simple to me. You compare a player's accomplishments for the 2014 season against those of other NFL players in an effort to determine who provided the most value THAT YEAR. Is this assignment not challenging enough already, that people feel the need to throw in irrelevant bullshit? Is this the result of educational cutbacks? Can people just not read anymore?

But, in fact, you're helping my push for Watt. Aaron Rodgers had 45 TD and 4643 yards in 2011; if he doesn't get 10 TD and 500 yards in his final regular season game, there's no way he deserves the MVP.

 

[SP33Demon]

dude--it's sp33demon. the member here who does nothing but jabber on about fantasy football lineups, and never seems to actually watch a game.

Yes, I only dominated my 12 man FF League and won $400+ but I don't know shit. Go back to your basement and be glad I didn't take your money this year. We will have an opening next year if you want to join and get your ass whooped, send me a PM if you're up for the challenge.

All the dickriding of Watt is hilarious. He won't win it so this thread is moot. Is he good, yes - but not worthy of MVP because ARod on the Texans with DHop/AJ/AF + 2 stellar offensive linemen in Brooks/Brown (top 11 PFF graded Run Blocking) = they make the playoffs. Not even sure why you guys are wasting your time, Watt hasn't broken any major records so voters.don't.care.

 

[SP33Demon]

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[zinfamous]

lol ^ wtf does that image have to do with this discussion?

before you answer--consider whether or not you are actually paying attention to the arguments being made.

(hint: you aren't)

 

[Conscript]

i thinik if GB wins this week and Rodgers has a decent or better game, he will win it

If GB loses, and Romo has decent or better game, then Romo will win it.

If GB and Dal lose, and both QB's have below average games, AND Watt has a great game and Houston sneaks into the playoffs....then and only then does he have a prayers chance.

 

[ElFenix]

First, that's one factor into how an MVP should be determined. Is the player and his performance this year that valuable that moving him to another team would instantly make that team better?

Second, JJ Watt deserves consideration......as soon as he passes his stats from 2012, which was a better year for him than this one.

To match his 2012 stats, Watt will have to have these in this weekend's game, the last reg. season game: 3 sacks, 16 tackles, 10 stuffs (denies/tackles a running play at or behind the line of scrimmage), 6 passes defended (preventing receiver from catching pass--knockdowns, etc.), create 1 fumble.

If Watt has 16 tackles, 3 sacks, defends 6 passes, creates 1 fumble.....all in this last game, I'll crown him MVP and so will a host of others. If not, this season, while very, very good, hasn't been his best so far.

Watt has way more QB sacks/hits/pressures combined this year than in 2012. About 2x. It's not as sexy as sacks, but more effective in game.

 

[dawheat]

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Rodgers is a reasonable candidate, but surely playing the NFC South this season has to be considered. In 6 games against "good" teams, the Packers went 3-3, of which the last was a particular stinker. Feasting on the NFC South + the corpse of the Bears, Vikings, Jets, etc is the opposite of say, playing in the NFC West this year.

And let's not do the comparison to previous years, since it would be equally stupid to say Rodgers shouldn't win it unless he surpasses his 2011 stats.

 

[twinrider1]

None of them were barely over .500, two games out of their division.

So? Is it the Most Valuable Team award?

It is what it is. Just pointing out the history of the award and that I wouldn't expect it them to do anything differently this year.

 

[smackababy]

So, Watt doesn't even lead the league in sacks. Justin Houston leading now. Can he be MVP instead?

 

[dougp]

So, Watt doesn't even lead the league in sacks. Justin Houston leading now. Can he be MVP instead?

This thread is just a Watt jerk-off party, almost as bad as living in Houston.

 

[HTFOff]

The touchdown receptions, for instance- they're not valuable because he scored so much as they are because they show that he CAN score. Knowing that your big brother who loves you and who can do anything is backing you up is a tremendous confidence booster...in sports, it can mean the difference between an underpowered team mailing the season in and an underestimated team giving it everything they have so they won't disappoint the greatest player in the history of their team. Even if they don't make the playoffs in that year, the emotional momentum and buy-in can carry over to next year and get a team over the hump. It all adds up, and nobody adds more than Watt.

 

[CPA]

While, I agree JJ Watt deserves the honor, defensive players simply won't get it unless they break records. If he ends up with more than 20 sacks, I think he will be a serious contender, being the first player to get 2 20+ sack seasons. However, if he doesn't, he will lose it to either Romo or Rodgers.

Look at the game Romo missed. Weeden had all the same weapons Romo had and that offense was awful.

20.5 as of right now.

 

[ElFenix]

20.5 as of right now.

One of those was a safety, to boot

Edit: Houston had 4

 

[BUTCH1]

IMPO there should be 3 MVP awards for each season, offense, defense, special teams. I would not bitch a bit if Watt gets it, he plays like a monster every down.

 

[darkswordsman17]

MVP is tough. Watt deserves a lot of credit, but Houston's defense isn't exactly garbage (and it's not like their offense is either although they obviously would do a lot better if they found a QB worth a damn).

Hell the only reason Houston is as bad as people seem to think they are is because they overreacted to how bad 2013 went. So they fired Kubiak which was a poor move (should have made moves to get him a QB) I think. And then this year they have the new coach (who I really don't expect will be anything special). Houston is not nearly as bad of a team and definitely not defensively as people seem to think. Give them a QB that isn't someone that would barely qualify as a backup on any team with a coach that knows anything about QBs and they'd be in the running for top teams in the league.

Incidentally that's also why QBs are the go to guys. You put a mediocre or garbage QB in control of your team and you'll squander all the talent you have. Defensively you can be a stud but you will not have the impact a QB will.

This year there really isn't a guy that just completely blows it away. Rodgers and Watt would probably be the frontrunners to me, and while both have been mostly consistently excellent, there's legitimate arguments against both not quite being the guy. Romo is third and he's had a hell of a year (and is frankly maybe even underrated - I know I have been - but I think a lot of that is they expect him and the Cowboys to falter in the postseason).

So, Watt doesn't even lead the league in sacks. Justin Houston leading now. Can he be MVP instead?

Watt is more than just a pass rusher so it's more than just sacks that makes him worthy of MVP consideration. Although Justin Houston is as well so I think you could make the argument he deserves some consideration (that he hasn't and probably won't get, although I have no problem with Watt getting more).

 

[dougp]

MVP is tough. Watt deserves a lot of credit, but Houston's defense isn't exactly garbage (and it's not like their offense is either although they obviously would do a lot better if they found a QB worth a damn).

Hell the only reason Houston is as bad as people seem to think they are is because they overreacted to how bad 2013 went. So they fired Kubiak which was a poor move (should have made moves to get him a QB) I think. And then this year they have the new coach (who I really don't expect will be anything special). Houston is not nearly as bad of a team and definitely not defensively as people seem to think. Give them a QB that isn't someone that would barely qualify as a backup on any team with a coach that knows anything about QBs and they'd be in the running for top teams in the league.

Incidentally that's also why QBs are the go to guys. You put a mediocre or garbage QB in control of your team and you'll squander all the talent you have. Defensively you can be a stud but you will not have the impact a QB will.

This year there really isn't a guy that just completely blows it away. Rodgers and Watt would probably be the frontrunners to me, and while both have been mostly consistently excellent, there's legitimate arguments against both not quite being the guy. Romo is third and he's had a hell of a year (and is frankly maybe even underrated - I know I have been - but I think a lot of that is they expect him and the Cowboys to falter in the postseason).



Watt is more than just a pass rusher so it's more than just sacks that makes him worthy of MVP consideration. Although Justin Houston is as well so I think you could make the argument he deserves some consideration (that he hasn't and probably won't get, although I have no problem with Watt getting more).

#21 Total Defense
#24 Pass Defense
#11 Run Defense
#24-Tied for Opponent First downs
#23-Tied for Sacks

Pretty much the only thing they do good is force turnovers.

 

[edro]

 

[lupi]

he had several chances on the last drive to make a decisive hit but was just blocked off from doing so. an mvp on defense needs to come up with at least a couple of those.

 

[smackababy]

Watt is more than just a pass rusher so it's more than just sacks that makes him worthy of MVP consideration. Although Justin Houston is as well so I think you could make the argument he deserves some consideration (that he hasn't and probably won't get, although I have no problem with Watt getting more).

I think Houston suffers from being on a good defense team. He didn't get the credit he deserved for playing so well, because the rest of his team was doing just as well. Houston, on the other hand, hasn't been performing nearly as well and Watts outstanding accomplishments really are the only thing to talk about from that team.

 

[CPA]

he had several chances on the last drive to make a decisive hit but was just blocked off from doing so. an mvp on defense needs to come up with at least a couple of those.

More like he was triple teamed on several plays.

 

[OatisCampbell]

Can Watt's play lift Houston to being a playoff contender every year? No.

Can Rodgers play lift GB to being a playoff contender every year? Yes.

Watt is impressive, but you can build a franchise around Rodgers.

 

[gorcorps]

Can Watt's play lift Houston to being a playoff contender every year? No.

Can Rodgers play lift GB to being a playoff contender every year? Yes.

Watt is impressive, but you can build a franchise around Rodgers.

As unfair as it may be, I kind of agree. If your team doesn't even make it to the playoffs... can you really be called the MOST valuable?

 

[Homerboy]

Rodgers will win, it's a done deal.

I'd love to see Watt win it (being from WI and all), but an MVP is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER to a team. Take Rodgers out of the Packers lineup, and players like Nelson and Cobb and Lacy begin to suck.

A QB is the single most important position in any sport -- period. They either make or break a team. Why do you think GB has had this incredible string of all-pro WRs? You think they are just that lucky? No... they have had 20 years of HoF quarterbacks running the offense (not to mention great coaches and play callers)

Watt is impressive -- unquestionably defensive player of the year, but if you take him off the Texans, it's not like their record gets any worse. you remove Rodgers from the Packers and they are lucky to win 5 games.