"It's time to stop telling fat people to become thin"

[Mai72]

THAT'S HOT!!! :wub:

(bookmarks for later.)

lol.

you a dude?

 

[TechBoyJK]

according to BMI calculators, i was technically obese when i was at my strongest ever.

i was 5'11 217lbs. bodyfat was probably around 17% but i was putting up the most weight i've ever put up in my life.

So you were strong but not that fit.

 

[TechBoyJK]

this guy is clinically obese, you really going to say he's not fit?

Yes, that's what I would say, if in fact he is clinically obese. He sure doesn't look it though. BMI is a shitty calculator anyway if you're not going to rule out the outliers and use them as measure instead.

But there's semantics. I would rather say 'he's less fit than he could be if he is actually clinically obese'. I agree some common sense is needed to address outliers.

Sumo are athletes and do a bunch of stuff, but you can never argue they are fit simply because they are so obese. If they were fit, they wouldn't be at risk of all the problems they will likely face because of their obesity.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Yet another article that conflates "dieting" with "eating right" and tops it off with a clickbait headline. Diets have never worked, and have never been all that healthy.

Eating right means fruits, vegetables and meat with minimal sugars and concentrated carbs. It's healthy, tasty, and sustainable; it just requires going to the goddamn grocery store and learning how to cook some basic tasty dishes. I find it actually takes less effort, time and money than eating out all the time, but once most people graduate high school and/or college they get this "school's out" mentality and have this phobia about learning anything new.

I totally agree.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It is just getting crazy with the processed food articles. No wonder people get fat and diabetes alike problems.

When i was a kid and teenager, and i would buy a paprika potato chips bag, the ingredients where : Potatoes, salt, paprika powder, some stabilizer and some E number preservative agents.

A few weeks ago, the paprika potato chips where in a discount at the supermarket, thinking to myself, what the hell, have not eaten it in a long time. So i pick up a bag and my eye captures the ingredients list. Potatoes, salt, paprika, sugar, inverted sugar sirup, all kinds of aroma's, stabilizers, and some E numbers preservative agents. I did put the bag back on the shelf.

Why does paprika potato chips or just plain salted chips contain sugar these days ?
It was fine 30 years to 20 years ago.

 

[gorcorps]

Cut out ALL added sugar and eat less meat and more vegetables. If you do that, you can probably eat whatever you want and lose weight, especially if you exercise regularly.

Did you post two completely contradictory statements as a joke for a reason? You basically just told us "if you change what you eat, then you can eat whatever you want"

Er... what?

 

[purbeast0]

i guess all of this ignorance is what you get when you discuss health and fitness outside of the ATHF forum here.

 

[purbeast0]

So you were strong but not that fit.

i was extremely fit. was playing football at the time as well and doing HIIT during the week. your problem, like Ackmed, is that you simply don't know the definition of obese.

 

[Mai72]

i know what being "fit" means and i was definitely fit. great way to assume that being my strongest only meant that i could bench a lot.

are you seriously trying to say that NFL running backs, tight ends, and other players are not fit? you're going to tell me that marshawn lynch is not fit? he's clinically obese.

this guy is clinically obese, you really going to say he's not fit?

He's also young/active so he can most definitely get away with eating a lot more than someone whose older.

What will his health be like in his late 30s and beyond?

Will he develop diabetes, heart disease, or cancer because of his poor eating/lifestyle habits.

 

[TechBoyJK]

i guess all of this ignorance is what you get when you discuss health and fitness outside of the ATHF forum here.

Or when you fail to recognize yourself as an outlier and instead use yourself as a measure.

Like I said, you might have been somewhat fit, but if you're actually obese you're not as fit as you'd like to think you were.

Obese eq increased risk of problems

 

[Denly]

I lost 10lb 10yrs ago within 6mth, the only changes I made at the time was oat meal for breakfast and cut my coffee from 2-3 cups down to 1 cup(1sugar 1 cream). Now I am down to 1/2 bag of sugar 1/2 cream for coffee and just water and oat for breakfast.

 

[TechBoyJK]

i was extremely fit. was playing football at the time as well and doing HIIT during the week. your problem, like Ackmed, is that you simply don't know the definition of obese.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/can-you-be-fit-fat

For most people, the BMI is a good assessment of body fat, overweight, and health risk. But the BMI may not be accurate for those who are muscular, of short stature, or elderly. For instance, someone who is 5 feet 10 inches and 220 pounds with 12% body fat would be considered obese based on BMI standards. Obviously, someone with 12% body fat is not obese.

One of the very first things addressed in the article is that outliers don't fit the common system.

So when we say obesity neq fit, we're not talking about outliers like you. So lets make sure wires aren't crossed where they shouldn't be.

You're saying we're ignorant. Reality is you're simply applying a definition incorrectly by failing to recognize yourself as an outlier.

So if you made the necessary adjustments and accomodations to the algorithm used to determine obesity so that if would more accurately fit your situation, what you would likely find is that it would not consider you obese. Therefore you were not obese and fit at the same time.

 

[Tweak155]

I lost 10lb 10yrs ago within 6mth, the only changes I made at the time was oat meal for breakfast and cut my coffee from 2-3 cups down to 1 cup(1sugar 1 cream). Now I am down to 1/2 bag of sugar 1/2 cream for coffee and just water and oat for breakfast.

Half bag of sugar? I'm not even mad, actually I'm impressed!

 

[purbeast0]

http://www.webmd.com/diet/can-you-be-fit-fat



One of the very first things addressed in the article is that outliers don't fit the common system.

So when we say obesity neq fit, we're not talking about outliers like you. So lets make sure wires aren't crossed where they shouldn't be.

if you read the whole thread, you'd see that i agree that BMI (which is how obesity is measured) is a completely useless measurement.

that was my whole point of saying someone who is obese cannot be fit, because being obese is based off of a stupid measurement.

basically bmi is only good for a subset of people who meet some undocumented set of requirements, which is why it's a terrible measurement tool.

 

[z1ggy]

if you read the whole thread, you'd see that i agree that BMI (which is how obesity is measured) is a completely useless measurement.

that was my whole point of saying someone who is obese cannot be fit, because being obese is based off of a stupid measurement.

basically bmi is only good for a subset of people who meet some undocumented set of requirements, which is why it's a terrible measurement tool.

The word fitness isn't really even well defined, which is why this thread will now probably go on for like 50 pages.

fit·ness
/ˈfitnəs/
noun
noun: fitness

the condition of being physically fit and healthy.
"disease and lack of fitness are closely related"

synonyms: good health, strength, robustness, vigor, athleticism, toughness, physical fitness, muscularity;

Still not a great answer. Is somebody who's very low body fat (say marathoner in this case) going to be considered fit? They can run for ages, but might not actually be coordinated or athletic, and are most likely not very strong. Same goes for a big ol power lifter. Is Mark Bell more 'fit' now that he's pretty low in body fat, compared to his record setting days? He's less strong now than before, but "looks better". Fitness seems to be overall, judged by looks mostly, than athleticism & talent.

 

[TechBoyJK]

if you read the whole thread, you'd see that i agree that BMI (which is how obesity is measured) is a completely useless measurement.

that was my whole point of saying someone who is obese cannot be fit, because being obese is based off of a stupid measurement.

basically bmi is only good for a subset of people who meet some undocumented set of requirements, which is why it's a terrible measurement tool.

i wasn't really reading the entire thread so the scope was kind of lost on me. So in that I lost the context in which you were asserting the obesity issue.

Reality for me is that I often use 'obese' in the place of 'fattie' because it's less abrasive.

 

[Aikouka]

I wish that instead of taking PE away, or just given to coaches, there was a good curricula that taught "how to use a gym," "here's how to properly do a squat without weight," "here is how to squat with weight," "let's put some muscle on you and get you used to regular cardio."

And a good home ec that teaches boys and girls how to cook.

Back in high school gym class, we were assigned to different teachers, and we'd rotate among the different activities. One of those activities was weight lifting and/or aerobics. Personally, I didn't like either of them, because I'd rather be doing something that I did like such as Ultimate Frisbee, floor hockey or archery.

Yet I can't deny that I feel a lot better when exercising

I see that a lot, and honestly, I've never felt great after exercising -- just tired. Now, I feel rather good after taking a shower after exercising. 😛

 

[BurnItDwn]

Ehh, As long as I have a job where Im in an office sitting during the day, Im going to be fat.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Cook more of your own food and eat out less...cut out sugary drinks. When you eat out, you typically consume 30-80% more calories than a home-cooked meal.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Cook more of your own food and eat out less...cut out sugary drinks. When you eat out, you typically consume 30-80% more calories than a home-cooked meal.

not if I cook!

I use lots of meat, lots of butter, and lots of bacon in addition to the meat.
Also, I cook portions big enough to fill me, rather than the small portions like restaurants have.

I wind up making like 1 gallon of gumbo or Chilli and I will eat two quarts of it.

 

[GasX]

Did you post two completely contradictory statements as a joke for a reason? You basically just told us "if you change what you eat, then you can eat whatever you want"

Er... what?

change "whatever" to "whatever quantity"

added sugar and processed food in general screws with your brain's "I am full" and "I am hungry" mechanisms...

 

[TheGardener]

Funny, this thread is sitting right under the Carl's Jr El Diablo breakfast sandwich thread. Coincidence?

 

[ElFenix]

ITT: people who don't know what BMI is for

anyway, here's why people are fat:

not so bad, broccoli is overcooked, but that's probably 2 servings of carbs right there at least

2 mass servings of carbs, plus a roll. easily 3 servings of carbs.

carbs, corn (which is carbs), and whaterver that other stuff is

big pile of carbs, chicken covered in carbs, canned peas, a couple of random shrimp thrown in, and italian malt liquor

something low carb for once doingitwrong.gif

3 carbs and not much else (i think that's dirty rice on the left)

2 kinds of carbs next to some wings

carbs and chicken covered in carbs. with 1 little shred of lettuce. or maybe it's confetti.

3 sides of carbs to your chicken covered in carbs

i don't even




this is what people are proud of!

 

[SlitheryDee]

Nah. Tell them whatever you want. They're free to ignore you. People giving other people their opinions about stuff isn't anything to be worried about. As long as I'm saying things like "You'd be happier if you lost some weight" rather than "Lose weight or die", we're still in the green.

 

[nixium]

The word fitness isn't really even well defined, which is why this thread will now probably go on for like 50 pages.

fit·ness
/ˈfitnəs/
noun
noun: fitness

the condition of being physically fit and healthy.
"disease and lack of fitness are closely related"

synonyms: good health, strength, robustness, vigor, athleticism, toughness, physical fitness, muscularity;

Still not a great answer. Is somebody who's very low body fat (say marathoner in this case) going to be considered fit? They can run for ages, but might not actually be coordinated or athletic, and are most likely not very strong. Same goes for a big ol power lifter. Is Mark Bell more 'fit' now that he's pretty low in body fat, compared to his record setting days? He's less strong now than before, but "looks better". Fitness seems to be overall, judged by looks mostly, than athleticism & talent.

I did define fit earlier, using US Military standards:

Age Group: 22 - 26
Male 40 (pushups) 50 (situps) 16:36 (2-mile run)
Female 17 (pushups) 50 (situps) 19:36 (2-mile run)


I picked these because IMO, one of the main evolutionary reasons for athleticism is the ability to fight or flee. So if tomorrow aliens invade, the standard 20-30ish should be fit enough to fight.