"It's time to stop telling fat people to become thin"

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Mai72

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I have been intermittent fasting for some time now and I love it. I normally stop eating at 9pm, with my last meal being a protein shake w/ 2% skim milk. I will then spend the next 15 hours in a fasting state. That means no breakfast. The only thing I can have in the morning is a cup of black coffee, or a pre-workout drink before hitting the gym. I dislike eating in the morning so IF works for me.

The reasons why obesity is such an epidemic is... 1) people don't exercise 2) our carb heavy diet 3) excess sugar and salt. Intermittent Fasting helps because it increases HGH while decreasing insulin. Also, for men you can naturally increase testosterone thru IF. A study was recently done that showed that many men under 30 have low testosterone. This is because of our diets are heavy in carbs. Put away the bread. Eat more steak, whole eggs and butter.
 

nixium

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Define athleticism. You can be strong and a serious weight lifter and be obese. I wouldn't call this athletic. If you are in great cardiovascular health you have been maintaining high intensity cardio exercise, in which case you can' be fat at the same time by my estimation.

If you can run 5 miles without passing out, and with it feeling fairly easy, you are in good cardiovascular health. This is my personal barometer and most people fall short of it. People tend to confuse skinny with healthy/fit and it certainly is not always the case. But being overweight is never that case.

Not that you can't run 5 miles comfortably while being overweight if you've been working at it. But you'd be eating like a horse, or more likely, on your way to losing that extra weight and not that overweight to begin with, certainly not obese.

This is a good point. I don't mean power lifters or sumo wrestlers, but the average person.
I would be really curious about people who are obese but can run 5 miles (in a reasonable amount of time, say an hour or so)
 

nixium

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Well, it seems I found at least one:

https://danceswithfat.wordpress.com

And it seems she's trying to do the Ironman challenge, while quite clearly being overweight or obese.

So it appears it is doable.

She even has done a marathon, but kinda walked the way - it took 13 hrs to complete.

I suppose if you lower the fitness standards far enough, then it's possible to be obese and fit.
 

ImpulsE69

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Only angry people I see are the ones who post in these threads. It's like hypocrisy at it's finest.
 

Alienwho

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I've learned over the years what works for me. Carbs are my weakness. When I eat a few I want more and more. Then in a few hours I want more again.

If I eat whatever I want my body settles at 220 lbs. (I'm 6'2"). If I do nothing different but simply take out bread and pasta my body will settle at 200. If I actually exercise and put effort into it I can get to an athletic 190 pretty easy.

So I live normal but have my burger with a lettuce bun and skip the fries most of the time (In N Outs 4x3 animal style/protein style is AMAZING). Or get my burritos in a bowl wih no tortilla (or a low carb tortilla). Instead of a bowl of cereal at 9pm when I get the post dinner munchies I'll have some salami and broccoli with hummus, or greek yogurt with granola and feel just as satisfied.

Been living this way for years and I don't feel deprived. I still cheat all the time but the difference is when I cheat, it's a cheat that only happens once or twice a week, instead of the lifestyle where I eat like that every freaking day.
 

StinkyPinky

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I'm 5'9" and 165lbs and I'm fat. I posted about this in health and fitness...you wouldn't know it looking at me. Until I took my shirt off and you see I look pregnant. I think they call that skinny-fat which i am, i'm sure i have a lot of unhealthy fat around my organs.

People that are fat need to thin down. I'm not comfortable with this normalization of being fat and as someone trying to lose my flab, I resent it.
 

AnonymouseUser

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I live a pretty sedentary lifestyle, but I counteract that by not eating too many carbs. My diet consists of mostly minimally processed protein and fat, with a healthy dose of fruits and vegetables. I usually drink one (1) 12-ounce soda (w/ sugar, not HFCS) per day, along with coffee, milk, and lots of water (drink water folks, seriously). I am currently ~5lbs shy of being considered overweight (not obese) and already am not happy with my gut, but there's no way I will accept any worse and am already working to lose the gut.

Accepting obesity = accepting failure. Fuck fat acceptance and the author of that article.

I've learned over the years what works for me. Carbs are my weakness. When I eat a few I want more and more. Then in a few hours I want more again.

If I eat whatever I want my body settles at 220 lbs. (I'm 6'2"). If I do nothing different but simply take out bread and pasta my body will settle at 200. If I actually exercise and put effort into it I can get to an athletic 190 pretty easy.

So I live normal but have my burger with a lettuce bun and skip the fries most of the time (In N Outs 4x3 animal style/protein style is AMAZING). Or get my burritos in a bowl wih no tortilla (or a low carb tortilla). Instead of a bowl of cereal at 9pm when I get the post dinner munchies I'll have some salami and broccoli with hummus, or greek yogurt with granola and feel just as satisfied.

Been living this way for years and I don't feel deprived. I still cheat all the time but the difference is when I cheat, it's a cheat that only happens once or twice a week, instead of the lifestyle where I eat like that every freaking day.

This guy gets it.
 

z1ggy

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Unless medical reasons, I just don't get how people can balloon up to being morbidly obese. Sure, life happens, work can be a bitch and maybe your 20, maybe even 30lbs over weight. But being like 100+ pounds over a healthy weight??? That's unacceptable, and is due to gluttony and laziness.

My buddy just got back from Europe a few weeks ago and said the biggest thing he noticed was lack of fatties. Everybody seems to be in shape, pretty good looking and of good health. Sure, fatties exist in all countries, but there seems to be a real epidemic here in the US ( & Mexico, too apparently).

The whole "fat and beautiful" thing is total BS if you ask me. It's just people deciding it's easier to live a fat and lazy life style than to get healthy and be in shape. It's good to have high self esteem no matter what you look like, but that shouldn't stop you from trying to get your weight to an acceptable level.
 
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purbeast0

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Unless medical reasons, I just don't get how people can balloon up to being morbidly obese. Sure, life happens, work can be a bitch and maybe your 20, maybe even 30lbs over weight. But being like 100+ pounds over a healthy weight??? That's unacceptable, and is due to gluttony and laziness.

My buddy just got back from Europe a few weeks ago and said the biggest thing he noticed was lack of fatties. Everybody seems to be in shape, pretty good looking and of good health. Sure, fatties exist in all countries, but there seems to be a real epidemic here in the US ( & Mexico, too apparently).

The whole "fat and beautiful" thing is total BS if you ask me. It's just people deciding it's easier to live a fat and lazy life style than to get healthy and be in shape. It's good to have high self esteem no matter what you look like, but that shouldn't stop you from trying to get your weight to an acceptable level.

when i was in san diego last november, that was one of the things i noticed out there as well. i mentioned it multiple times while out there. then i came back to the cold east coast and back to reality with all of the fatties around.
 

z1ggy

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when i was in san diego last november, that was one of the things i noticed out there as well. i mentioned it multiple times while out there. then i came back to the cold east coast and back to reality with all of the fatties around.

I've never been to SD I really want to go. I have multiple friends out there and they all agree, people are just skinnier and hotter. Same with Miami. Pretty sure it's because 100% of the year is beach season so people are actively trying to stay in shape.

Up here in the north east you can hide behind flannel and sweatpants for like 5 months of the year. I just don't have any sympathy for people when they get severely over weight. Unless you have a medical issue, you're just a gross slob if you ask me.
 

Mai72

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When I was in South Korea I noticed a few chunky Koreans, but I hardly ever saw a fatty Korean. Now, foreigners were a different story. We had a coworker who swore she was overweight because of her thyroid.

In Thailand I hardly saw fatties. Then I get back to the east coast and the women here remind me of beast. :(
 

Mai72

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The other thing I noticed when I got home is the guys and their enormous stomachs. I know a few 25 year olds with big guts.

why? it looks disgusting. You don't need a 6 pack but god damn.
 

ra1nman

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I'm on the skinny fat boat as well weighing 153 and 5'10. I don't have much of a physique but can still run a 22.5 minute 5k. I run 2x a week about 4 miles each time and go to the gym 2x as well. While I do feel more fit and have more energy, I've hardly noticed a change in my body compared to a year ago.....then I weighed 170ish.
 

z1ggy

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I'm on the skinny fat boat as well weighing 153 and 5'10. I don't have much of a physique but can still run a 22.5 minute 5k. I run 2x a week about 4 miles each time and go to the gym 2x as well. While I do feel more fit and have more energy, I've hardly noticed a change in my body compared to a year ago.....then I weighed 170ish.

This goes down a whole other road that's off topic... but you probably aren't lifting enough to promote muscle gain/retention, while simultaneously eating less calories than your body burns. Most long distance runner types can get this way (skinny, not much muscle, but still have gut).

Hey at least you aren't a lard though.. So.. Good job.
 

TechBoyJK

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Well, it seems I found at least one:

https://danceswithfat.wordpress.com

And it seems she's trying to do the Ironman challenge, while quite clearly being overweight or obese.

So it appears it is doable.

She even has done a marathon, but kinda walked the way - it took 13 hrs to complete.

I suppose if you lower the fitness standards far enough, then it's possible to be obese and fit.

It'll never be possible to be obese and fit.

It's like saying hey, it's possible for a square to be a circle.
 

TechBoyJK

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I'm on the skinny fat boat as well weighing 153 and 5'10. I don't have much of a physique but can still run a 22.5 minute 5k. I run 2x a week about 4 miles each time and go to the gym 2x as well. While I do feel more fit and have more energy, I've hardly noticed a change in my body compared to a year ago.....then I weighed 170ish.

Do some strength training.

I used to be a skinny runner. best thing I did was start chugging protein shakes after picking heavy things up and putting them down. 5 sets of 5 reps. Don't do more than 5 and try and make it so that on your last lift you are barely moving the weight because of exhaustion.

You have a head start if you are skinny. You have room to eat a lot without concern with adding a little bit of fat, but as your muscles hypertrophy (ie get bigger) you'll look extra ripped.

3 months of dedicated strength training would likely change your body completely.
 

piasabird

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Being fat presents some problems and issues. However, somehow bulimia is OK and that is a disease. It is hypocrisy. You could be a drug addict and try to kill a cop and you will get sympathy, but not if you are fat!

My sister died from being too skinny with some kind of a liver disease. My father died early because he had Parkinson's disease. My brother's sister has a type of MS. My wife's sister died from stomach cancer. So being fat is not really that bad.
 

purbeast0

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It'll never be possible to be obese and fit.

It's like saying hey, it's possible for a square to be a circle.

according to BMI calculators, i was technically obese when i was at my strongest ever.

i was 5'11 217lbs. bodyfat was probably around 17% but i was putting up the most weight i've ever put up in my life.
 

flexy

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One problem (maybe the biggest) is that people only look at their foot intake, calories, sugar etc.

I have seen people avoiding pop or sugar in their coffee because they say it makes them fat.

But then those same people, the only time when they actually MOVE THEIR ASS is in the morning, a few steps from their house into the car.

* Spend all day sitting at work
* Spend all day sitting at home on the PC or watching TV etc.
* Take the car for getting food (drive-thru), drive-thru fricking BANKING, take their car to get something from the store around the corner.

If you only do 5 steps of movement in the morning to your car, 5 steps from the parking lot to and back from work, and then at night 5 steps from the car into your home and this is your only "exercise", yes you will get fat. Then you can drink "diet pop" and avoid sugar and whatnot as much as you want, you will get fat. It's not exactly rocket science.
 

Ackmed

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Seems like fatties don't want to be called fat and to just let them be.

Fat people should be in their own insurance pools away from the rest of us good decent people.

One of the few times I have every agreed with you.

I detest fatties who are fat without trying to do better. I'm paying higher healthcare because they're fat and cost more. Thanks fatties.

207 pounds isn't thin :colbert:

I'm a hair over 207 and pretty thin, at 6'.

according to BMI calculators, i was technically obese when i was at my strongest ever.

i was 5'11 217lbs. bodyfat was probably around 17% but i was putting up the most weight i've ever put up in my life.

Being able to push a lot on bench doesn't make you "fit". I agree with TechBoy being obese and fit just do not go together.
 

MiniDoom

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Do some strength training.

I used to be a skinny runner. best thing I did was start chugging protein shakes after picking heavy things up and putting them down. 5 sets of 5 reps. Don't do more than 5 and try and make it so that on your last lift you are barely moving the weight because of exhaustion.

You have a head start if you are skinny. You have room to eat a lot without concern with adding a little bit of fat, but as your muscles hypertrophy (ie get bigger) you'll look extra ripped.

3 months of dedicated strength training would likely change your body completely.

this.

I see cyclists with beer bellies all the time. people thinking cranking away as hard as you can on a bike will be make you skinny. that burns muscle and muscle burns fat. making people a smaller version of their fat self. if you want to lower your body fat percentage you're better off weight training or have easy to moderately paced bike rides. diet is the other way.
 

Kaido

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My worry is this article will be enough to push someone who is conflicted to the other side - acceptance of being overweight and unfit.

Tbh, I'm pretty sure nobody is going to read an article and be like gee, I guess being fat is OK & I don't have to worry about it anymore. Nobody likes being made fun of or feeling self-conscious. Or being tired, running out of breath, having a hard time on stairs, wearing a t-shirt at the pool so you don't have to be embarrassed to be seen, and so on. I think there's a few big barriers in the way:

1. For starters, you have to accept personal responsibility for your weight. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to eat or sit around & not exercise. Until you personally decide to take control & take action, nothing much is going to change unless someone magically comes along & starts cooking healthy, tasty food for you all the time.

2. Second, there's a lot of misconceptions about what you actually need to do. If you want to be thin, all you have to do is change what you eat. People think they have to live at the gym...you can be skinny simply by changing your diet. I see people all the time who are really consistent at going to the gym & then don't watch what they eat, and instead reward themselves for working out by eating whatever they want. You can do that to an extent using IIFYM, but then you have to add food tracking into the mix, which is not something that everyone likes to do.

As an addendum here, eating healthy doesn't mean plain chicken & veggies all the time. If you're willing to learn how to cook, you can make great-tasting food that is healthy for you. THAT is where the real barrier lies: you have to expend the mental capacity to find recipes & the physical energy to try recipes, and then make your meals. Or else start doing calorie tracking if you don't want to do mealprep yourself. Either way, it's fatiguing & requires effort, which is hard to stay on top of for more than like...a day, haha.

3. Third, telling overweight people to get lose weight doesn't inspire or motivate them, it crushes their self-esteem & usually results in no action taken.

4. Fourth, I don't believe in motivation as a way of getting consistent results. Like just not at all. Projects like losing weight are about commitment, not whether or not you feel like doing it on a particular day. Nobody has the kind of willpower that will let them do that, especially if you're already overweight, because you already have those eating habits ingrained.

Other than tracking your calories or being extremely physically active on a near-daily basis, the only thing I've seen consistently work is a permanent diet change. For me, that meant doing make-ahead meals so I didn't have to think or work when mealtime came. Being overweight typically means reduced energy & that includes mental energy, so if you're hungry, you're going to eat what you eat habitually unless you have something healthier already prepared. So that's pretty much what it boils down to be successful long-term:

1. You are responsible for your body.
2. Diet controls fat. That means food makes you overweight (or not).
3. Eating healthy does not mean eating bland, nasty healthfood, unless you put zero effort into it. Buy some garlic salt!
3. Commitment trumps motivation for results. If you want to change, stop being a mental pushover to your feelings of not wanting to make an effort & just start cooking. It's not hard. Anyone can mix tuna & mayo together & slap it in a tortilla.

And it's not like it's a permanent thing, either. I know guys who lost 100 pounds, kept it off for years, quit paying attention to it, and gradually drifted back to being fat again. You basically have to put in enough effort to (1) make your food taste good, and (2) create enough variety so you don't get sick of it. And of course (3) actually cook the food (or buy it based on a calorie-count for your goals, if you're into tracking things). I've bounced up & down in weight a few times because it's easy to get lazy, so you do have to make an effort to stay on top of it.
 

purbeast0

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Seems like fatties don't want to be called fat and to just let them be.



One of the few times I have every agreed with you.

I detest fatties who are fat without trying to do better. I'm paying higher healthcare because they're fat and cost more. Thanks fatties.



I'm a hair over 207 and pretty thin, at 6'.



Being able to push a lot on bench doesn't make you "fit". I agree with TechBoy being obese and fit just do not go together.

i know what being "fit" means and i was definitely fit. great way to assume that being my strongest only meant that i could bench a lot.

are you seriously trying to say that NFL running backs, tight ends, and other players are not fit? you're going to tell me that marshawn lynch is not fit? he's clinically obese.

this guy is clinically obese, you really going to say he's not fit?

Ryan_Kerrigan.JPG
 
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Genx87

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It is an interesting topic that can be further studied. As a former college athlete that has gained quite a bit of weight since his playing days. Losing weight helps in many areas. I lost about 40 pounds in 2010 and my Chloresteral dropped right along with the weight. And my joints felt better. I am part of the 95% that gained it back within 3 years. But I know why. My intake increased again and my level of activity dropped.

BTW when I lost 40 pounds there was no magical diet for me. Simply didn't eat as much and increased activity.