Its time to end capital punishment in America, Another botched execution tonight...

[Newell Steamer]

You are speaking to the wrong crowd.

These blood thirst creeps get off on stories of women being shot in the face for knocking on a door, looking for help at 2am in the morning.

They praised a psycho gunning down teenagers playing loud music and throwing eggs at cars.

They circulate false stories of "men's rights abuse", under the guise to continue abusing women.

Take your pleas for humane treatment somewhere where there are actually humane thinking/feeling people.

 

[DrunkenSano]

humane thinking/feeling people.

How are criminals who deserve the death penalty fall under the "humane thinking/feeling people" category?

 

[Newell Steamer]

How are criminals who deserve the death penalty fall under the "humane thinking/feeling people" category?

Do we want to torture them? Or execute them?

Pick one please.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Just kill them the cheapest way possible, their suffering doesn't matter. Our tax dollars are more important than scum like that.

 

[berzerker60]

Man, some really disgusting bloodthirsty barbarism in this thread. Torturing people doesn't make you tough, cheering on suffering doesn't make you a big man, it makes you a monster. That's true regardless of how horrible the things were that the criminal did. If the law has said the person has to die, fine, but the 'cruel and unusual punishment' thing wasn't just a throw-away line.

Then there's the whole part where a substantial number of executed people have been proven innocent afterwards.

 

[Paratus]

As I said in a prior post, our founders didn't think hanging or firing squad were cruel and unusual - even the anti-slavery founders didn't.

And our bill of rights is being violated all the time now in much more fundamental ways. Where's your outrage over that?

Who said I have a problem with firing squads, and or hangings? I have a problem with botched lethal injection.

Although I do have concerns with hangings as they don't always snap the neck quickly.

I also have problems with our rights being infringed including, the first, second, fourth, fifth, eighth, and others. But why does that matter in this thread?

Quite frankly capital punishment needs to go on hiatus until it can be guaranteed that no innocent people are executed.

 

[Paratus]

Please provide evidence that Jefferson considered hanging or firing squad, or any other method of execution employed in the US at that time, cruel or unusual.

Stop projecting arguments I didn't make.

 

[boomerang]

These blood thirst creeps get off on stories of women being shot in the face for knocking on a door, looking for help at 2am in the morning.

Have you spoken to your shrink about this obsession of yours? This shot in the face remark winds its way into more than half your posts. It appears to be an unhealthy obsession.

 

[Paratus]

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[Oldgamer]

Man, some really disgusting bloodthirsty barbarism in this thread. Torturing people doesn't make you tough, cheering on suffering doesn't make you a big man, it makes you a monster. That's true regardless of how horrible the things were that the criminal did. If the law has said the person has to die, fine, but the 'cruel and unusual punishment' thing wasn't just a throw-away line.

Then there's the whole part where a substantial number of executed people have been proven innocent afterwards.

Exactly... I honestly think we have some psychopaths among us here on ATOT given some of the responses.

 

[schmuckley]

Firing squad is pretty humane and cheap.Ofc there's mental anguish for the people pulling the triggers.

 

[NetWareHead]

Quite frankly capital punishment needs to go on hiatus until it can be guaranteed that no innocent people are executed.

I don't think that guarantee can ever be 100%. The human body is vastly complex and highly variable. What I think happened here was the inmate's unexpected reaction to the first drug. He had a heart attack before the second and third drug were even administered.

You want a 100% effective solution then bring back other more reliable forms of execution. To my knowledge hanging is never known to fail unless the executioner screws up the drop lenght (wrongly calculated based on inmate's weight). Firing squad is almost guaranteed 100%. 5 high velocity bullets in your chest (sometimes 4 if one member of the squad is issued a blank aka the "conscience round") If the initial volley is not immediately fatal, firing squad has the provision for a coup de grace

 

[NetWareHead]

Firing squad is pretty humane and cheap.Ofc there's mental anguish for the people pulling the triggers.

That's why 1 soldier out of the 5 in the squad is usually issued a wax round. Most experienced riflemen will not be able to tell the difference but a wax round still provides recoil that the rifleman can feel. The squad members are not told who has the round. The supplying of 1 non-lethal round is believed to reinforce the sense of diffusion of responsibility. Each member of the firing squad can believe that he did not personally fire the lethal round.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Has anyone argued that executing an innocent is in any way OK? I haven't seen anyone make that argument.

Everyone taking the stance of

Let the executions proceed.

is doing exactly that

 

[Jaskalas]

I must oppose the death penalty except in cases where the suspect is absolutely certain. Under no circumstantial evidence.

 

[TheSiege]

Please provide evidence that Jefferson considered hanging or firing squad, or any other method of execution employed in the US at that time, cruel or unusual.

Its cruel when the lethal injection does not work, and the guy is there in agony. Regardless of what he allegedly did, he is still protected under the constitution. Its like when people freak out at lawyer who defend child molesters, as an American citizen they still have the right to representation no matter how heinous the crime. I don't see how people can be for certain parts of the Constitution and not others. 2nd Amendment, HELL YEAH, 8th Amendment, Fuck that.

But the thing that is most troublesome, to me, is the 4% problem, and as a black man, you are 2-3 times as likely to get the death penalty. Making the death penalty, unconstitutional right there. Violating the 14th amendment.

 

[nehalem256]

But the thing that is most troublesome, to me, is the 4% problem, and as a black man, you are 2-3 times as likely to get the death penalty. Making the death penalty, unconstitutional right there. Violating the 14th amendment.

Black men are more likely to be executed because they are more likely to commit murder.

 

[Jaskalas]

Black men are more likely to be executed because they are more likely to commit murder.

He could have been referring to people convicted of the same types of crimes... hard to tell without additional information.

 

[TheSiege]

Black men are more likely to be executed because they are more likely to commit murder.

You're an idiot, If a white and black man were on trial for the same crime, the black man is more likely to be sentenced to death. I wasnt talking about pure numbers.

 

[TheSiege]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eath-sentence-Houston-whites-study-finds.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/03/racial-bias-us-death-penalty

There is the sources

 

[glenn1]

Man, some really disgusting bloodthirsty barbarism in this thread. Torturing people doesn't make you tough, cheering on suffering doesn't make you a big man, it makes you a monster. That's true regardless of how horrible the things were that the criminal did. If the law has said the person has to die, fine, but the 'cruel and unusual punishment' thing wasn't just a throw-away line.

Then there's the whole part where a substantial number of executed people have been proven innocent afterwards.

Then why even bother with our system of trial of jury by peers if you're concerned that we'll never have 100% perfection? Want to do something useful? Stop defending death row assholes like Mumia Abu-Jamal and spend your resources on helping people with lesser sentences and *might actually be innocent* but aren't getting any assistance from you because you only care about the death penalty guys.

 

[TheSiege]

Then why even bother with our system of trial of jury by peers if you're concerned that we'll never have 100% perfection? Want to do something useful? Stop defending death row assholes like Mumia Abu-Jamal and spend your resources on helping people with lesser sentences and *might actually be innocent* but aren't getting any assistance from you because you only care about the death penalty guys.

Because people have the right to representation. And thank god they do.

 

[BurnItDwn]

It's been time to end capital punishment in America for a VERY long time.

I feel no pity for pain/suffering that murderers feel when they are executed. But I do not believe the government should be in the vengeance business.

Look at all the people who have been exonerated over the last couple of decades due to DNA evidence or other such evidence that proved that they were not guilty of the crimes for which they had been convicted.

The courts are very far from perfect. Under normal circumstances, civilian court should not possess the power to doom a man to premature termination.

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eath-sentence-Houston-whites-study-finds.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/03/racial-bias-us-death-penalty

There is the sources

Of that number he then broke it down to 21 cases - including that of Buck's - which were most similar in circumstances

What a large sample size!

So if you are looking for racism and are free to restrict cases to ones you hand pick you find evidence of racism!

Truly shocking!

 

[TheSiege]

What a large sample size!

So if you are looking for racism and are free to restrict cases to ones you hand pick you find evidence of racism!

Truly shocking!

Here, 1,560 cases over 30 years

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/dthrow.htm
"There is more than a two-fold greater risk that an African American who killed a white person will be executed than there is for a white person who killed a non-white victim."