Its time to end capital punishment in America, Another botched execution tonight...

[TheSiege]

4% of the people on deathrow are innocent.
http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-executed-us-innocent-study-claims-248889
Another botched exectution.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ma-executions-drugs-lethal-injection/8476389/
Secrecy around the drug(s) being used.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/se...n-drugs-has-halted-two-executions-in-oklahoma
Its racist.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...-punishment-is-the-most-unusual-its-ever-been
It doesnt even prevent crime
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/death-penalty-not-a-deterrent_n_1434645.html
Its more expensive than life in prison
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/26/death-penalty-myths-debunk_n_4849901.html

Its time to end the death penalty, it really serves no purpose.

 

[OCGuy]

Got some info on your thread title?

 

[MagickMan]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/us/oklahoma-botched-execution/

 

[OCGuy]

Drugs are almost an art as much as they are science. If we are going to have the DP, a bullet to the back of the head while the inmate is loaded with benzodiazepines is the most humane way.

For some reason we like to pretend that we aren't killing someone, and it would be too messy.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Mission Accomplished! I say it was more a field goal rather than a touchdown but it's still a score...
Who gives a flying F___ about these two animals. Some pieces of lead flying faster than the speed of sound should've taken care of these rabid dogs a decade ago.

 

[Zaap]

"Botched Execution"

That sounds potentially life-threatning. We need to spend lots and lots and lots of dollars to make executions safer.

 

[TheSiege]

"Botched Execution"

That sounds potentially life-threatning. We need to spend lots and lots and lots of dollars to make executions safer.

Not safe. More humane. Something about cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Zaap]

Meh. I agree with the sentiment that we've actually just made executions so make-believe "humane" that they're actually MORE cruel and unusual than they need to be.

There are plenty of surefire ways to end someone that pretty much work every time- it's just not pretty enough for the "make-believe they're just being put to sleep" mindset.

 

[Agent11]

I see nothing wrong with the old ways: Firing squad, hanging, decapitation, electric chair. The method is irrelevant as long as it is administered without malice. If someone proves themselves to be an irredeemable predator of the defenseless they deserve to be culled for the betterment of society.

 

[dmcowen674]

Its time to end capital punishment in America, Another botched execution tonight...

Its time to end the death penalty, it really serves no purpose.

He's dead so how is it a botched execution?

So what if the bastard suffered.

He shot a girl and watched his buddies bury her alive.

4-29-2014

http://news.yahoo.com/oklahoma-inmate-dies-execution-botched-005638821.html

Oklahoma inmate dies after execution is botched



Clayton Lockett, 38, was declared unconscious 10 minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered. Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow.


The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings.



Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.


Tuesday was the first time Oklahoma used the drug midazolam as the first element in its execution drug combination. Other states have used it before; Florida administers 500 milligrams of midazolam as part of its three-drug combination. Oklahoma used 100 milligrams.


The execution began at 6:23 p.m., when officials began administering the first drug, the sedative midazolam. A doctor declared Lockett to be unconscious at 6:33 p.m.


Once an inmate is declared unconscious, the state's execution protocol calls for the second drug, a paralytic, to be administered. The third drug in the protocol is potassium chloride, which stops the heart. Patton said the second and third drugs were being administered when a problem was noticed and it's unclear how much of the drugs made it into the inmate's system.


Lockett began writhing at 6:36. At 6:39, a doctor lifted the sheet that was covering the inmate to examine the injection site.


Lockett was declared dead at 7:06 p.m.

 

[TheSiege]

There is a 4% chance he is innocent, part of the reason he got the DP is because of his race, and we are country above torturing our citizens, or at least we should be. And lastly, because our bill of right protects us from it, or it should. If the 8th amendment is ignored and can be bypassed, why not any other?

 

[TridenT]

I agree that the death penalty should be gone. Too much doubt I have about the criminal justice system and its fairness to non-whites.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not safe. More humane. Something about cruel and unusual punishment.

hahahahaaa...yeah right...as if their victim was killed in a humane way...

 

[JEDIYoda]

There is a 4% chance he is innocent, part of the reason he got the DP is because of his race, and we are country above torturing our citizens, or at least we should be. And lastly, because our bill of right protects us from it, or it should. If the 8th amendment is ignored and can be bypassed, why not any other?

hahaha you are out of your league....
The 8th amendment --rofl....death as punishment is not cruel or unusual.....rofl...

 

[BoomerD]

They just need more practice. How are the execution squads supposed to be certain the job gets done right when they so rarely get to do it?

Time to increase death penalty crimes to include armed robbery, burglary, auto theft, forcible rape, child molestation...driving too slow in the inside lane.........

 

[Victorian Gray]

hahahahaaa...yeah right...as if their victim was killed in a humane way...

So, lower yourself to his level and torture him because he's bad and you're good. Interesting logic.

 

[mikeymikec]

I see nothing wrong with the old ways: Firing squad, hanging, decapitation, electric chair. The method is irrelevant as long as it is administered without malice.

And administered flawlessly (which is what the OP was pointing out)?

Do you realise that death by hanging or decapitation was done largely for the public spectacle?

Oh yeah, I can't see how anything could go wrong with the methods you suggested... Or the people who would typically want to go for such a job?

On a separate note - Isn't it kind of odd that of all the methods used for execution, drowning is probably the most reliable (ie. the least likely to go wrong) and simple, yet it isn't used?

PS - I'm not pro the idea of capital punishment.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So, lower yourself to his level and torture him because he's bad and you're good. Interesting logic.

awwwww...........get your panties in a bunch over the killing of somebody sentenced to death...now that is funny!!!

 

[Victorian Gray]

awwwww...........get your panties in a bunch over the killing of somebody sentenced to death...now that is funny!!!

Yes, interesting reaction to someone who suffered an agonizing death.

Even better, they tried to resuscitate him. I guess so that they could do it a 2nd time.

Bet that gets *your* panties wet, eh?

 

[Oldgamer]

4% of the people on deathrow are innocent.
http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-executed-us-innocent-study-claims-248889
Another botched exectution.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ma-executions-drugs-lethal-injection/8476389/
Secrecy around the drug(s) being used.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/se...n-drugs-has-halted-two-executions-in-oklahoma
Its racist.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...-punishment-is-the-most-unusual-its-ever-been
It doesnt even prevent crime
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/death-penalty-not-a-deterrent_n_1434645.html
Its more expensive than life in prison
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/26/death-penalty-myths-debunk_n_4849901.html

Its time to end the death penalty, it really serves no purpose.

I just posted this http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2380791 this morning. This just happened. Apparently witnesses say he tried to sit up, he mumbled something is wrong, he writhed and twitched on the table the entire time, and they finally pulled the curtain so witnesses couldn't watch the rest of the execution. This is just cruel in my opinion. As I said in my thread post he would have died much quicker if they had put a bullet to the head and chest. But to struggle in violent pain for over 30 minutes? No, this is wrong on so many levels.

 

[Oldgamer]

So, lower yourself to his level and torture him because he's bad and you're good. Interesting logic.

This right here folks.. I agree Victorian, we just bring ourselves down to the monstrous level of the person we are euthanizing. That man died a horribly painful death and struggled for over 30 minutes. The witnesses were completely freaked out. What these states are doing is experimenting on these death row inmates, and that to me is really wrong.

 

[mikeymikec]

This right here folks.. I agree Victorian, we just bring ourselves down to the monstrous level of the person we are euthanizing. That man died a horribly painful death and struggled for over 30 minutes. The witnesses were completely freaked out. What these states are doing is experimenting on these death row inmates, and that to me is really wrong.

While I generally agree with what you're saying, it's not about euthanasia AT ALL, and by using that word you're making an association between what euthanasia is typically about and punishing bad people by the most lethal means possible.

 

[Oldgamer]

While I generally agree with what you're saying, it's not about euthanasia AT ALL, and by using that word you're making an association between what euthanasia is typically about and punishing bad people by the most lethal means possible.

I am sorry but we are not to become monsters ourselves by thinking its ok to experiment on these inmates, and make them suffer while we are at it. It is a form of euthanasia because punishment would imply that the person would learn something from the experience. This person isn't learning anything, and is only suffering violently at the hands of the state. We are better than this, seriously our country is really taking steps backward into the dark ages.

 

[michal1980]

I am sorry but we are not to become monsters ourselves by thinking its ok to experiment on these inmates, and make them suffer while we are at it. It is a form of euthanasia because punishment would imply that the person would learn something from the experience. This person isn't learning anything, and is only suffering violently at the hands of the state. We are better than this, seriously our country is really taking steps backward into the dark ages.

I wonder how much of the botched was/is due to the anti-capital punishments crowds attempts/successes in limiting some drugs

 

[Oldgamer]

I wonder how much of the botched was/is due to the anti-capital punishments crowds attempts/successes in limiting some drugs

You can't put this on the pharmaceutical companies who do not agree with murder for murder punishment... and that doesn't justify what the corrections doctors and jailers are doing by experimenting on these people. They can choose not to experiment and look to work something out, or better yet, just get rid of the death penalty all together and give life sentences without parole.