Its time to end capital punishment in America, Another botched execution tonight...

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brycejones

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I wonder how much of the botched was/is due to the anti-capital punishments crowds attempts/successes in limiting some drugs

Since he supposedly blew out a vein probably not much.

"There was some concern at that time that the drugs were not having that (desired) effect, and the doctor observed the line at that time and determined the line had blown," Patton said at a news conference afterward, referring to Lockett's vein rupturing.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/29/4988887/oklahoma-prepares-for-execution.html#storylink=cpy
 
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HOSED

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This thread made me cry at times ... Tears of pure joy. My elderly neighbor has it right .. Do the same to them (criminals). He should have been buried alive.
If you drive drunk and injure someone, you get prison time then have similar injuries inflicted upon you upon release.
 

boomerang

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Why don't you guys start a new political party. The EMO Party. Run your candidates and if they win you can change all this. When a guy buries a teenage girl alive after shooting her with both a handgun and a shotgun, you can buy him a house and a new car with taxpayer money to make yourselves feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You can do that for the black guys. The white guys have all that white privilege thing going on so maybe just a car for them?
 
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I don't understand why modern society is so against firing squads. It's instant, clean, and cheap.

Do it with an automated trigger or something, so no one even has to be involved. With lethal injection you still have a person activating the system.


Strap them in a chair that holds their head still and start a 5 minute timer that randomly shoots them.
 

mikeymikec

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Why don't you guys start a new political party. The EMO Party. Run your candidates and if they win you can change all this. When a guy buries a teenage girl alive after shooting her with both a handgun and a shotgun, you can buy him a house and a new car with taxpayer money to make yourselves feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You can do that for the black guys. The white guys have all that white privilege thing going on so maybe just a car for them?

So instead of trying to ridicule someone's point of view that you don't agree with by attaching your own made-up absurdities to it, you could spend some time thinking about it.

You might find it easier not to think, feel free to do that, but then why bother posting something as absurd as you did. It doesn't encourage anyone to take what you have to say seriously. You didn't even respond directly to anyone's comment in particular so no-one knows whether (for example) you think that the idea of ditching capital punishment is absurd, or say you think that the method of capital punishment should revert to the days when people were hung, drawn and quartered, because you want to see the bad guys suffer as much as possible (I purposefully picked an extreme example because your post leaves a lot of room for interpretation). However, if you want them to suffer, why execute them at all?
 
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Orignal Earl

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Why don't you guys start a new political party. The EMO Party. Run your candidates and if they win you can change all this. When a guy buries a teenage girl alive after shooting her with both a handgun and a shotgun, you can buy him a house and a new car with taxpayer money to make yourselves feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You can do that for the black guys. The white guys have all that white privilege thing going on so maybe just a car for them?

The imagination game again already, I want to play too

You guys should start a new political party called the Skinhead Party. Whenever a black man is arrested for murder, you can amputate his feet and keep him as a sex slave. That way you can satisfied all your hidden desires and feel all warm and fuzzy every night.
 

FerrelGeek

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Not safe. More humane. Something about cruel and unusual punishment.

You do realize don't you, that our country's founders didn't consider hanging or firing squad cruel or unusual.

If zero pain is the new standard, put them in a nice room with a nice comfy recliner. Give them a shot of Valium and a bottle of their favorite booze. Put on a mix of their favorite tunes and then pump the room with CO. They'll drift off to sleep and never wake up.
 

FerrelGeek

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Why don't you guys start a new political party. The EMO Party. Run your candidates and if they win you can change all this. When a guy buries a teenage girl alive after shooting her with both a handgun and a shotgun, you can buy him a house and a new car with taxpayer money to make yourselves feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You can do that for the black guys. The white guys have all that white privilege thing going on so maybe just a car for them?

They already have that. It's called the democratic party. No longer the party of FDR, Truman, or JFK.
 

NetWareHead

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Here is what this guy did to earn the death penalty: A four-time felon, Lockett was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.


I have zero compassion for him and hope he suffered painfully and miserably before death finally claimed him. These convicts and killers are not the types of people we should be rallying behind. This is a waste of resources and effort to rally behind them. They have forfeited their place in society and deserve anything bad coming to them.
 

Paratus

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Why don't you guys start a new political party. The EMO Party. Run your candidates and if they win you can change all this. When a guy buries a teenage girl alive after shooting her with both a handgun and a shotgun, you can buy him a house and a new car with taxpayer money to make yourselves feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You can do that for the black guys. The white guys have all that white privilege thing going on so maybe just a car for them?

We get it boomerang, you are uncivilized and don't agree with the bill of rights.

Maybe we could bring back crucifixion? Do you think you could fap to that?
 

PokerGuy

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Oh boo hoo, that poor cretin, I have such sympathy for him. Errrr... No. Ultimately, he died, he paid the penalty for his heinous crime. End of story.

What a society of whiny sissies we've become. Sheesh.
 

boomerang

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The imagination game again already, I want to play too

You guys should start a new political party called the Skinhead Party. Whenever a black man is arrested for murder, you can amputate his feet and keep him as a sex slave. That way you can satisfied all your hidden desires and feel all warm and fuzzy every night.
Ooh, struck a nerve I did. (BTW, you've got some sick fantasies going through your head.)
 
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Here is what this guy did to earn the death penalty: A four-time felon, Lockett was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.


I have zero compassion for him and hope he suffered painfully and miserably before death finally claimed him. These convicts and killers are not the types of people we should be rallying behind. This is a waste of resources and effort to rally behind them. They have forfeited their place in society and deserve anything bad coming to them.


These kind of incidents really have less to do with the compassion these criminals may or may not deserve and more to do with the standards anyone acting in the name of justice should be held to. This was not right. Executing one innocent person, even for 24 guilty ones, is not right.
 

cabri

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There is a 4% chance he is innocent, part of the reason he got the DP is because of his race, and we are country above torturing our citizens, or at least we should be. And lastly, because our bill of right protects us from it, or it should. If the 8th amendment is ignored and can be bypassed, why not any other?

Not safe. More humane. Something about cruel and unusual punishment.

Why is what happened not safe.
Why is humane needed.

Did the perp give any consideration to the girl he shot and buried alive/killed.
Why does he deserve to be treated better?

Where did you come up with the 4%?
 

NetWareHead

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These kind of incidents really have less to do with the compassion these criminals may or may not deserve and more to do with the standards anyone acting in the name of justice should be held to. This was not right. Executing one innocent person, even for 24 guilty ones, is not right.

I see your point sand can agree with it. The point everyone is ignoring is that the state did not set out to intentionally end his life that way. From what I have read about this, it seems they followed established execution protocol that has worked countless other times. The deceased had a reaction to the drug designed to induce unconsciousness.

The state is not executing all death row inmates this way. This outcome was an exception to the rule. OK fine so he suffered. I still cant say i have much compassion for him. He really did bring it on himself and therefore deserved it.

Let the executions proceed.
 

Paratus

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Why is what happened not safe.
Why is humane needed.

Did the perp give any consideration to the girl he shot and buried alive/killed.
Why does he deserve to be treated better?

Where did you come up with the 4%?

Originally posted by Thomas Jefferson
AMENDMENT VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

There's more than 2 amendments. :rolleyes:
 

bshole

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Why is what happened not safe.
Why is humane needed.

Did the perp give any consideration to the girl he shot and buried alive/killed.
Why does he deserve to be treated better?

Where did you come up with the 4%?

Not familiar with google I see. Literally took me 10 seconds to find it.

More than 4 percent of inmates sentenced to death in the United States are probably innocent, according to a study published Monday that sent shock waves across the anti-death penalty community.

What the researchers call a "conservative estimate" about the number of wrongfully convicted death row inmates is more than double the percentage of capital defendants who were exonerated during more than three decades that were studied. That means innocent people are languishing behind bars, according to the study.

“The great majority of innocent people who are sentenced to death are never identified and freed," said Samuel Gross, lead author of the study and a University of Michigan Law School professor, in a statement. "The purpose of our study is to account for the innocent defendants who are not exonerated."

The four authors reviewed the outcomes of the 7,482 death sentences handed down from 1973 to 2004. Of that group, 117, or 1.6 percent, were exonerated.

But with enough time and resources, the authors concluded that at least 4.1 percent of death row inmates would have been exonerated. In other words, more than 200 other prisoners would have been cleared during those three decades.

They arrived at that number using survival analysis, a statistics tool commonly used in medicine to evaluate the effectiveness of new treatments.

“This impressive study points to a serious flaw in our use of the death penalty,” said Richard Dieter, Death Penalty Information Center executive director, after seeing the report. “The ‘problem of innocence’ is much worse than was thought."

The article -- titled the "Rate of False Conviction of Criminal Defendants Who Are Sentenced to Death" -- was published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America.

I might be ok with the death penalty IF the people that convict and execute an innocent person are automatically given lifetime prison sentences.... the judge, the jury and the prosecutor. Let them have some real skin in the game.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/innocent-death-penalty-study_n_5228854.html
 
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Londo_Jowo

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If zero pain is the new standard, put them in a nice room with a nice comfy recliner. Give them a shot of Valium and a bottle of their favorite booze. Put on a mix of their favorite tunes and then pump the room with CO. They'll drift off to sleep and never wake up.

With the latest problems with acquiring lethal injection drugs I wouldn't be surprised if something like this is considered and possibly used in the future.
 

DrunkenSano

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Just use a rope, it's cheap and efficient since you can use it over and over again. Save us tax payers a lot of money, clear out the over-crowded jails.
 

FerrelGeek

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We get it boomerang, you are uncivilized and don't agree with the bill of rights.

Maybe we could bring back crucifixion? Do you think you could fap to that?

As I said in a prior post, our founders didn't think hanging or firing squad were cruel and unusual - even the anti-slavery founders didn't.

And our bill of rights is being violated all the time now in much more fundamental ways. Where's your outrage over that?
 

Jaskalas

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Why not kill them with a diabetic coma? The meds to reduce blood sugar are quite lethal.