It's the 2015 State of the Union Thread!

[JEDI]

Was it an ad lib or was it calculated? Looked like a set up to me.

ad lib.

he was suppose to say:
I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda for the next two years is...


but when the repubs sarcastically interrupted him w/applause after the 1st sentence, he ad libed the remark of
“I know, because I won both of them.”
:biggrin:

 

[DrDoug]

ad lib.

he was suppose to say:
I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda for the next two years is...


but when the repubs sarcastically interrupted him w/applause after the 1st sentence, he ad libed the remark of
“I know, because I won both of them.”
:biggrin:

I think it was a setup in that he had the ad lib line ready to go with already. He knew that the childish Repubs wouldn't be able to restrain themselves from being asses when he said "I have no more campaigns to run" and he had the rebuke ready to fire when they did. It was pitch perfect and the response was hilarious! I also liked seeing Shep Smith whining about how the other news organizations had "News" appended to their organization names at their plates at the luncheon, except for Faux...lol! Then there was the White House twitter line about him getting ready for the SOTU speech and the pic accompanying it was of a tan suit hanging on the door.

Obama trolled the fuck out of the GOP and Faux yesterday. I'm glad to see that he is enjoying himself...lol!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Put up or shut up. I asked nicely and you dodged. What did he frame dishonestly?

Obama framed almost every issue in a highly partisan light. He framed absolutely nothing in a way that clarifies or even acknowledges concerns surrounding the numerous contentious issues at hand which would give the public a more honest perception and accurate understanding of these issues. He says he wants to help the middle class yet his proposals actually do very little to help...in fact it hurts the middle class in some ways, especially those who have 529 savings for their children's education. Obama now wants to break government's promise and tax these college savings..which is a big 'fuck you' to the middle class imo. This is the type of dishonest framing I'm talking about.

There were also several instances of false dichotomies and superficial strawmen as well. Here's a couple:

"Will we accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well? Or will we commit ourselves to an economy that generates rising incomes and chances for everyone who makes the effort?

Will we approach the world fearful and reactive, dragged into costly conflicts that strain our military and set back our standing? Or will we lead wisely, using all elements of our power to defeat new threats and protect our planet?"

I understand that this type of rhetoric is common in politics and is specifically designed and directed towards those with little understanding of the real issues. In my opinion, this was a purely a populist speech to "win" public opinion to justify his highly contentious agenda and preemptively rationalize all the vetoes we're likely to see over the next few years. His speech was deceptive and portions were fundamentally dishonest in my opinion. It was also largely adversarial and did absolutely nothing to advance a constructive and workable agenda for this country to move forward over the next 2 years.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

ad lib.

he was suppose to say:
I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda for the next two years is...


but when the repubs sarcastically interrupted him w/applause after the 1st sentence, he ad libed the remark of
“I know, because I won both of them.”
:biggrin:

Regardless...it was a great "in your face new Republican majority" moment for him.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Barack Hussein Obama:
- fake birth certificate creator
- Muslim with ties and dedication to racist Christian fanatics
- Corporate lap dog that is hell bent on turning America into a communist state
- Responsible for things that happen on the battlefield (weapons drop SNAFU), but totally can't get credit for the assassination of Osama Bin Laden
edit: oh! one more!!
- Critics are outraged over immigration reform,.. which said reform was also pushed for by previous Republican Presidents as well

And now,..

- forcing Republicans to clap, so he can retort with a witty reply

I have never come across a man, who is everything and anything, all at the same time.

Is he sitting? Yes, and he should be standing! When he stands - This man has no respect for the chair that is being offered to him,.... Is he back to sitting? We already told this asshole he should be standing!! WTF is his problem?!? He is now standing - MY GOD!! The gall of this man is just unbearable!!! He isn't sitting on the chair we, the AMERICAN PEOPLE, have offered him!! How DARE he?!?!

 

[DrDoug]

Obama framed almost every issue in a highly partisan light. He framed absolutely nothing in a way that clarifies or even acknowledges concerns surrounding the numerous contentious issues at hand which would give the public a more honest perception and accurate understanding of these issues. He says he wants to help the middle class yet his proposals actually do very little to help...in fact it hurts the middle class in some ways, especially those who have 529 savings for their children's education. Obama now wants to break government's promise and tax these college savings..which is a big 'fuck you' to the middle class imo. This is the type of dishonest framing I'm talking about.

There were also several instances of false dichotomies and superficial strawmen as well. Here's a couple:

"Will we accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well? Or will we commit ourselves to an economy that generates rising incomes and chances for everyone who makes the effort?

Will we approach the world fearful and reactive, dragged into costly conflicts that strain our military and set back our standing? Or will we lead wisely, using all elements of our power to defeat new threats and protect our planet?"

I understand that this type of rhetoric is common in politics and is specifically designed and directed at those with little understanding of the real issues. In my opinion, this was a purely a populist speech to "win" public opinion to justify his highly contentious agenda. His speech was deceptive and portions were fundamentally dishonest in my opinion...and it did nothing to advance a constructive and workable agenda for this country to move forward over the next 2 years.

I think Obama figured out long ago that there is no way Repubs will ever work to "advance a constructive and workable agenda for this country to move forward" with him, so why waste the effort. If he's for it, they're against it and if he's against it then they are for it. Every time he has tried to reach out to work with Republicans they have slapped his hand away. His speech was excellent in that if you watched the Republican responses to in the chamber, they refused to applaud to data and proposals that many Americans liked hearing discussed. Polling afterward showed that his speech received an 81% positive view (51% very positive and 30% slightly positive). Watching the Republicans there you wouldn't think it would have been that high.

I think the next two years are going to be very interesting.

I heard that Cruz missile had a response to the SOTU ready to unleash but it seems that someone forgot to edit it before release and the actor was caught flubbing his lines. He redid the take but they forgot to edit that part out before releasing it. They pulled it right quick when they spotted their fuckup but not quick enough..lol!

I also think that it's great that Joni will be able to afford some new loafers now that she's a Senator. :biggrin:

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I think Obama figured out long ago that there is no way Repubs will ever work to "advance a constructive and workable agenda for this country to move forward" with him, so why waste the effort. If he's for it, they're against it and if he's against it then they are for it. Every time he has tried to reach out to work with Republicans they have slapped his hand away. His speech was excellent in that if you watched the Republican responses to in the chamber, they refused to applaud to data and proposals that many Americans liked hearing discussed. Polling afterward showed that his speech received an 81% positive view (51% very positive and 30% slightly positive). Watching the Republicans there you wouldn't think it would have been that high.

I think the next two years are going to be very interesting.

I heard that Cruz missile had a response to the SOTU ready to unleash but it seems that someone forgot to edit it before release and the actor was caught flubbing his lines. He redid the take but they forgot to edit that part out before releasing it. They pulled it right quick when they spotted their fuckup but not quick enough..lol!

I also think that it's great that Joni will be able to afford some new loafers now that she's a Senator. :biggrin:

I personally would like to see both parties work together and would appreciate a President who would lead and at least give the appearance that he's reasonable and willing. To me, his speech is just rationalization for all the vetoes we're going to see soon (yes, even bipartisan legislation) now that Reid can't run interference for him.

 

[Bird222]

Panem et circenses. Neither Democrats nor Republicans as a whole want the system to change. We are an oligarchy although some think that means corporations own us. I believe that's incorrect. For practical purposes government and corporations are divisions within the oligarchy. You are offered people that have benefited from both sides at some level, and that is "democracy", and that is "freedom". In reality that's so far from the truth it would be funny, except people are trained to think that way.

I'm reminded of a story about a poor creature- a tiger, lion or wolf I think, who paced about within the confines of his cage most of its life. When released back into the wild it just walked back and forth as if the bars were still there. We are that animal in that we can't imagine any other way and we don't even know if the cage is there or not.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

A couple fact check articles for those who may be interested.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/2015-state-of-the-union-fact-check-114422.html

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/01/factchecking-obamas-state-of-the-union/

 

[DrDoug]

I personally would like to see both parties work together and would appreciate a President who would lead and at least give the appearance that he's reasonable and willing. To me, his speech is just rationalization for all the vetoes we're going to see soon (yes, even bipartisan legislation) now that Reid can't run interference for him.

I think everyone would like to see what you describe but the Republicans have so effectively vilified the President to their base that anyone caught agreeing with him is going to be thought of as a traitor to them. It's not going to happen and it's not solely Obama's fault for that. As the old saying goes, it takes two to tango. The Turtle of the Senate reminded us who is in charge now when asked by a reporter about what he thought of the SOTU. The Republicans have painted themselves into a corner but they do have a way out of it.

They will just blame Obama, as usual. Obama knows that and I think he might be able to play that to his advantage. After all, he has nothing to lose at this point.

 

[Subyman]

Didnt watch, guessing I can describe the speech. Obama took shots at republicans. Republicans didnt clap for him. Democrats overly clapped for him. Then he went on about income inequality, free stuff, wanting to bomb Syria, war on terror. Im sure he played up an improving economy and lower unemployment as if his policies after 6 year were the sole reason for the slow recovery.

How far off am I?

Hardly any war talk, mostly domestic issues like education and preschool subsidizes for parents. Barely anything about income inequality, but he did sneak in an "accumulated wealth tax" comment, which I think is insane. He did try to spin gas prices and the economy back on himself.

 

[Subyman]

An aside, I spoke with my mother who runs an early intervention agency in IL. She was saying that preschool providers have been way, way behind on payment by the IL government. Funny that Obama wants preschool tax breaks, but his own state can't even pay the providers right now.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Lord the idol worship again....

It was a well crafted and delivered speech. He had a funny ad lib moment when the office of the president was disrespected by some jackass and he had a witty response. That's all just great.

All of that said, none of it amounts to shit. It was a typical rainbow and unicorns political speech that included a lot of earning vetos statements and earned much more contempt from Repubs for the POTUS. This resulting continued partisan BS from both sides of the aisle will result in jack squat. Nothing is going to change..... I watched the speech and as the camera panned around the chamber I had nothing but disgust for many who were shown.

 

[Darkstar757]

Cheers!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Bottoms up.

 

[Linux23]

I only saw one response. Where were the others?

 

[cubby1223]

An aside, I spoke with my mother who runs an early intervention agency in IL. She was saying that preschool providers have been way, way behind on payment by the IL government. Funny that Obama wants preschool tax breaks, but his own state can't even pay the providers right now.

Illinois has a delay I think still up around 9 months for medicaid reimbursements. Other services often wait 2 full years or more after work is completed before getting paid by the state. You don't even want to know what their unpaid promises to state universities totals...

 

[OutHouse]

So according to obama global warming is the greatest threat to the US....

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Tea Party response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kws4ejERQ1U

Things kick into gear in the last quarter of the video.

Without making a judgment on the correctness of his ideas, I do think it's funny that he stated Obama's speech was the "same old rhetoric we'd heard for six years" when Clawson's doesn't bring anything new to the table.

These responses really are a slaughter. From the venues, to the lack of an audience, to the fact that there's just no way anyone is going to be able to compete with Obama as an orator, it appears the cards are seemingly stacked against the Republicans.

 

[maddogchen]

whatevs...the state of the union is old news now. Its all about DEFLATE-GATE!!!!! Whats going to happen to the Patriots is what America wants to know!