Most of cuban immigrants in fl are descendants of the upper class on the wrong end of a revolution.
master_shake_
Diamond Member
- May 22, 2012
- 6,425
- 292
- 121
people who voted for trump didn't make it publicly known.
i had a feeling that is how it would happen.
Kazukian
Platinum Member
- Aug 8, 2016
- 2,034
- 650
- 91
They kept tweaking them in favor of Hillary, leading questions, and people weren't being honest with the pollsters...
"Let's just over sample women and democrats..."
- Oct 9, 1999
- 46,929
- 10,795
- 147
HomerJS
Lifer
- Feb 6, 2002
- 39,831
- 33,456
- 136
So who's pussy does Trump grab first after winning? My bet is Megan Kelly
Imp
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2000
- 18,828
- 184
- 106
They've been shit for years. This, Brexit, even the 2012 and 2008 elections, I think. They were making those two elections seem close but Obummer won pretty hands down.
I lost my faith in economics and statistics a while ago. They're probably reasonable to +/-10% which is garbage in races that get decided by a couple.
Bitek
Lifer
- Aug 2, 2001
- 10,676
- 5,239
- 136
The upside for Dems is that the Trump dog caught the car.
He clearly has no idea what he's doing, plans are less than paper thin, and he's made absurd and impossible promises he has to keep.
It also spares the dems from defending in 2020, which can set the next decade. Just need to survive the next four.
There is also a clear message that obstruction works. You got cheated out of a scotus pick. Take the gloves off and punch them back 10x harder.
Trump is a rich target for investigation. He's gotten a pass in this fucked up election, time to tear him apart.
The status quo is fine. There are no burning issues (unlike 2008) so getting nothing done is just fine. Dems own nothing, si are accountable for nothing. Destroy Trump and build up for 2020.
He clearly has no idea what he's doing, plans are less than paper thin, and he's made absurd and impossible promises he has to keep.
It also spares the dems from defending in 2020, which can set the next decade. Just need to survive the next four.
There is also a clear message that obstruction works. You got cheated out of a scotus pick. Take the gloves off and punch them back 10x harder.
Trump is a rich target for investigation. He's gotten a pass in this fucked up election, time to tear him apart.
The status quo is fine. There are no burning issues (unlike 2008) so getting nothing done is just fine. Dems own nothing, si are accountable for nothing. Destroy Trump and build up for 2020.
I'm not a Cuban.
Well I got a surprise for you my friends, it's already been.
OutHouse
Lifer
- Jun 5, 2000
- 36,410
- 616
- 126
WaTaGuMp
Lifer
- May 10, 2001
- 21,207
- 2,506
- 126
Imp
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2000
- 18,828
- 184
- 106
HamburgerBoy
Lifer
- Apr 12, 2004
- 27,111
- 318
- 126
I've said it before and I will keep repeating it.
1. Skewed by using past elections, not adjusting for current voting trends. Using 2012/2008 black turnout is moronic.
2. Polls using idiotic sampling, such as D+15, women + 10, college + 20...etc. Throw all of that shit out.
3. Fishbowl politics - non-anonymous polling will *NOT* deliver the same result. Period.
4. Reliance on polling aggregators such as 538. It is Garbage In - Garbage out. His adjustments are a joke, they do not reweight the polls to more reliable numbers. It was obvious that the ABC poll was created to offset the LA Times poll in the RCP average, their weightings were idiotic.
Nate Silver has blown 3 major calls now. His career should be over, but people like Eski will be willing to fellate him endlessly because they supposedly have some magical statistical knowledge.
Many more.
master_shake_
Diamond Member
- May 22, 2012
- 6,425
- 292
- 121
decriminalization of weed in AZ.
old folks hate people having fun makes sense why it failed.
IronWing
No Lifer
- Jul 20, 2001
- 73,537
- 35,237
- 136
Nope, the Dems will have no committee chairs, no capacity to stop anything unless the Reps continue backstabbing each other. Okay, so there is a chance. Ginsberg's looking at four more years.
Commodus
Diamond Member
- Oct 9, 2004
- 9,215
- 6,821
- 136
She's 70 now... she might have a shot in 2020, but that'd be pushing it.
Barring a surprise recovery for Clinton, the main consolation: Trump could ironically increase Democrat chances of regaining some control of Congress in 2018. Depends on just how much Trump's inexperience and ego hurts his party.
shortylickens
No Lifer
- Jul 15, 2003
- 80,287
- 17,082
- 136
Yeah.
He flat out stated he would get two people to help him. One for foreign issues, one for domestic. He's just gonna make bullshit speeches, manage his businesses, and have lots of fancy dinners.
Svnla
Lifer
- Nov 10, 2003
- 17,986
- 1,388
- 126
Pollsters and pundits ignored the silent majority that pissed off at business as usual/corruption in DC and now they are paying the steep price.
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