Except they were never superior. Even at release, the 360 was not better than a good gaming PC.
Except they were never superior. Even at release, the 360 was not better than a good gaming PC.
Bateluer
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We go through that death knell every console generation. It hasn't happened, but PC gaming has been increasingly dragged down to console quality over and over. Its almost sad.
I agree with anyone else who believes that consoles have held game development in the dark ages for the past 5 years. Hopefully the devs soon realize that the world isn't flat, and pull their heads out of their asses.
I don't know what you're comparing it to, but the games were vastly superior on consoles than they were on PC.
Skurge
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That is not true.
Gears looked (and performed) much worse on the 360. I'm not sure how far after the 360 version the PC version was released though.
zerocool84
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Console's always have been and always will be outdated when they come out. It's the nature of the beast. They have to choose, manufacture, manufacture enough, have enough dev units out, and start develop enough games for release for the components inside the consoles at least a year before it's out. A year in PC graphics power is forever.
Wow, seems like most of you guys were not around the internet when this generation of consoles were coming out. Because 95% of everybody seemed to believed that consoles were going to destroy PC gaming due to their superior graphics capabilities. And at release, consoles games were better than PC games.
As for Gears of War, that came out over a year later than the 360 did.
As for Gears of War, that came out over a year later than the 360 did.
zerocool84
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I guess you haven't been around for ANY of the console releases in all of history. They ALWAYS say that when new console's get released and ALWAYS will say it.
Name one game that came out on consoles when they were released that looked better than half life 2 back then. Good luck.
Anyways the so called amazing graphical release for the 360 was call of duty 2 which looked better on PC.
Anyways the so called amazing graphical release for the 360 was call of duty 2 which looked better on PC.
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Skurge
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FEAR came out just before the 360, what game at the 360 launch looked better?
A few months later oblivion came out on both, looked much better on the PC. So I don't what internet you are talking about, but on this one, consoles never had superior graphics.
crysis is already photorealistic, especially w/ some of the mods out there. What we need now is physics.
and i concur, consoles are holding development back. You'll see next gen graphics in 2012/13 when the next gen consoles come out w/ some ridiculous horsepower.
and i concur, consoles are holding development back. You'll see next gen graphics in 2012/13 when the next gen consoles come out w/ some ridiculous horsepower.
It's a series of factors.
First, human psychology is excellent at spotting fakes in organic objects. Even a tiny detail off can make something familiar and organic seem off-putting. It's easier to see when you compare a well rendered and textured car or house to trees, animals or especially, humans. It takes a lot of work yo duplicate humans photo-realistically, even with tessellation, it's still incredibly difficult to get things for example eyes or skin just right. I have yet to see a convincing human model/texture in a game that can do skin well. It's the little things you don't think off such as tone, pore size, definition, depth, body hair, color, subsurface scattering of ambient light, etc.
Second, look at art styles, there's honestly a lot of grey-brown-black shading going on, or if not that, artists tend to go for over saturation instead of realism to make the images create a mood or pop out. Real life is considered too boring for video games it seems. Crysis 1 and 2 seem to have this issue, incredible amounts of over saturation. the sky is not that blue and shadows are not that black in real life, but it does make for a more vibrant, interesting image.
Then there's the issue of game worlds tend to be samitized. When was the last time you saw wooden boards parallax mapped and built with polys to have splinters or roads with potholes? Even humans are asymmetrical left to right, eye size, position, nostril size, every little bit is a little bit off. Real life is not clinically clean, but to add the little details like that to the clean models seem like too much work for devs.
First, human psychology is excellent at spotting fakes in organic objects. Even a tiny detail off can make something familiar and organic seem off-putting. It's easier to see when you compare a well rendered and textured car or house to trees, animals or especially, humans. It takes a lot of work yo duplicate humans photo-realistically, even with tessellation, it's still incredibly difficult to get things for example eyes or skin just right. I have yet to see a convincing human model/texture in a game that can do skin well. It's the little things you don't think off such as tone, pore size, definition, depth, body hair, color, subsurface scattering of ambient light, etc.
Second, look at art styles, there's honestly a lot of grey-brown-black shading going on, or if not that, artists tend to go for over saturation instead of realism to make the images create a mood or pop out. Real life is considered too boring for video games it seems. Crysis 1 and 2 seem to have this issue, incredible amounts of over saturation. the sky is not that blue and shadows are not that black in real life, but it does make for a more vibrant, interesting image.
Then there's the issue of game worlds tend to be samitized. When was the last time you saw wooden boards parallax mapped and built with polys to have splinters or roads with potholes? Even humans are asymmetrical left to right, eye size, position, nostril size, every little bit is a little bit off. Real life is not clinically clean, but to add the little details like that to the clean models seem like too much work for devs.
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the levels of realism come is leaps. in 2006, Oblivion turned us on our heads because it was so beautiful. then came Crysis and set the bar pretty high, we're still waiting for the next leap.
if i remember correctly, the demo video of Project Offset (which is now canceled along with LRB) was pretty impressive and realistic.
perhaps Tesselation would bring the next evolution of graphics as the polygon count soars sky high.
if i remember correctly, the demo video of Project Offset (which is now canceled along with LRB) was pretty impressive and realistic.
perhaps Tesselation would bring the next evolution of graphics as the polygon count soars sky high.
I'm not saying they were superior, i'm saying that's what everybody else was saying. This forum had multiple threads every day just before the 360 and PS3 release about how the photorealism was going to destroy PC gaming. I'm not a console gamer per se, i own a console but i only play a handful of games, but i certainly remember games like GoW and some racing games showing how photorealistic everything was, and how everybody was saying these consoles were putting an end to PC gaming.
You guys really have short memories, selective memories, or just weren't around then. Remember, these consoles were using multiple cores when most PCs didn't have multiple cores. People were talking about how PS3s and appliances were going to link up and form supercomputers. I'm not saying they were true. I've been around long enough to know the cycles, i'm just pointing out how the discussions has changed. And again in 5 years when the next consoles come out, console gamers are going to claim that PC gaming is dead. And then in 10 years, PC gamers are going to say console gaming is inferior.
You guys really have short memories, selective memories, or just weren't around then. Remember, these consoles were using multiple cores when most PCs didn't have multiple cores. People were talking about how PS3s and appliances were going to link up and form supercomputers. I'm not saying they were true. I've been around long enough to know the cycles, i'm just pointing out how the discussions has changed. And again in 5 years when the next consoles come out, console gamers are going to claim that PC gaming is dead. And then in 10 years, PC gamers are going to say console gaming is inferior.
Fanatical Meat
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Everyone is ignoring the Elephant in the room. Game companies are notorious for over promising and under delivering.
I'm still at a loss as when console gaming was ever superior to PC gaming. I love my ps3, but it can't hold a torch to my gaming rig, and it never could.
I think it just getting to hard for them something needs to come out to make it easier to code the game and make them pretty at the same time..... thats just what I think...
i think microsoft would love to have the pc windows platform to be the new king of gaming. to have the most popular platform for gaming and you dont even have to lose money on the hardware? cha ching. thats why theyre designing directx to work more like consoles, where game developers must adhere to strict rules of development. they know the only reason people dont like pc gaming is because of the hassle....
We still cant even play crysis with any kind of performance at highest settings and res without spending $1000+ on a GPU setup.
What makes you think even if there was a photo realistic game that anyone would be able to run it?
And who in there right mind would even design a game that literally no one could run anyways?
What makes you think even if there was a photo realistic game that anyone would be able to run it?
And who in there right mind would even design a game that literally no one could run anyways?
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