It should be illegal to take children onto a flight

[Nox51]

90 minutes? 6 hours? Try about 12 hours Auckland to Singapore with a kid screaming his lungs out at night. Pure hell. If it happened on the Singapore to Amsterdam leg I swore I find a way to parachute him over Russia or Germany.
If you know your child is going to be a problem do something. Sleeping pills of some sort come to mind. or give him a bit of whisky...

 

[BarkingGhostar]

This morning I had a 90 minute flight home, and it was the worst flight in history. Me and my GF were stuck in the middle of three parents and their misbehaving, noisy little shithead children. During the whole 90 minutes I got no peace - little wankers running up and down the aisles and being generally loud and obnoxious, and carefree asshat parents who should die.

Luckily I had my MP3 player, but that didn't keep the little bastards out of the periphery of my vision, and even my decent noise blocking headphones couldn't block the shrill cry of an upset infant.

Parents who have the discourtesy to bring little asshole children onto planes should be jailed or summarily executed. Thoughts?

Don't get mad, get even. Glad Bag rule.

 

[dabuddha]

I make a point never to spend more than a few minutes at a time around children under the age of 10, so 90 minutes was hell for me.

Thank god. That means your dumb ass will never procreate (please let it be true!)

 

[slag]

Children only misbehave cus of bad parenting. You should ban the parents just as much as the children.

Well now thats just not true. I have an ADHD diagnosed child who would misbehave constantly and as much as I "parented" him, sitting still and behaving "normally" was outside his realm of control. We currently have him on 38 mg of concerta and its helped tremendously, although we are going to go down to 27 mg and see if thats just as effective, but still, while he's a great kid, it just wasn't in his control at age 7 to sit still and read a book, play his DS, etc without having to get up and move about or whatever.
Counseling also plays a big part.

Its not all about the parenting.

Parenting has had to change since the 60's and 70's. Back then, your father would bend you over and spank you in the middle of the supermarket or threaten you with bodily injury if you stepped out of line. Today parents don't have that luxury without child services stepping in or someone taking a video with their cell phone and throwing it on youtube.

 

[rudder]

Parents who have the discourtesy to bring little asshole children onto planes should be jailed or summarily executed. Thoughts?

Well the children do not know they are assholes. It should never be illegal to bring children onto planes.... but it should be legal to pimp slap parents that have no clue how to not let their children piss off everyone else onboard.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

Well now thats just not true. I have an ADHD diagnosed child who would misbehave constantly and as much as I "parented" him, sitting still and behaving "normally" was outside his realm of control. We currently have him on 38 mg of concerta and its helped tremendously, although we are going to go down to 27 mg and see if thats just as effective, but still, while he's a great kid, it just wasn't in his control at age 7 to sit still and read a book, play his DS, etc without having to get up and move about or whatever.
Counseling also plays a big part.

Its not all about the parenting.

Parenting has had to change since the 60's and 70's. Back then, your father would bend you over and spank you in the middle of the supermarket or threaten you with bodily injury if you stepped out of line. Today parents don't have that luxury without child services stepping in or someone taking a video with their cell phone and throwing it on youtube.

This is whats wrong with america today

 

[ichy]

When's the last time a parent in the US got in actual trouble for spanking their kids (a reasonable one that is, I'm not talking about scum who beat the crap out of their children.) Most people I know, myself included, aren't big fans of corporal punishment but agree that occasionally a swift whack on the rear-end if the best way to let a child know that their behavior isn't acceptable.

 

[Uppsala9496]

It's not just the US. In Sweden for example, it is illegal to spank your kid, even in your own home. Has been for some 30-40 years now. So, no bashing the US on that front.

 

[Codewiz]

When's the last time a parent in the US got in actual trouble for spanking their kids (a reasonable one that is, I'm not talking about scum who beat the crap out of their children.) Most people I know, myself included, aren't big fans of corporal punishment but agree that occasionally a swift whack on the rear-end if the best way to let a child know that their behavior isn't acceptable.

Too bad almost every study shows that corporal punishment is LESS effective. But don't let the facts get in the way of spanking your kid.

 

[destrekor]

Too bad almost every study shows that corporal punishment is LESS effective. But don't let the facts get in the way of spanking your kid.

biased studies.

it was extremely effective in making sure ADD wasn't a problem.

A little bit of pain keeps the brain in check.

 

[Bignate603]

Yes, because people with children never should be able to go on vacation, visit family, or need to move long distances just because it might annoy Mike Gayner.

Sorry, but they need to travel just as much as you do. You had your headphones to block out the noise but you're still complaining that it was driving you nuts because you could see them? That's ridiculous, if you get angry about that you've got some issues. Life isn't centered around you.

 

[Jeeebus]

boo fucking hoo

 

[PimpJuice]

I make a point never to spend more than a few minutes at a time around children under the age of 10, so 90 minutes was hell for me.

you're just as annoying as any child

 

[ichy]

Too bad almost every study shows that corporal punishment is LESS effective. But don't let the facts get in the way of spanking your kid.

I don't have kids.

Also, it's essentially impossible to do a meaningful study, scientifically valid study on a subject like child-rearing. Psychology and sociology are NOT real sciences, and the people who claim they can show that spanking is ineffective are usually pushing an agenda.

Like I said, I'm not a big fan of corporal punishment. During my whole childhood I was swatted on the rear maybe two or three times. I don't think I would've been a better kid if it had happened more often, but on those very rare occasions it was an excellent way to let me know that what I'd done was absolutely NOT acceptable. Certainly a hell of a lot better than drugging kids with amphetamines while hiding behind imaginary "illnesses" like ADD.

 

[evident]

first class FTW. you get what you pay for, OP

 

[Anubis]

I don't have kids.

Also, it's essentially impossible to do a meaningful study, scientifically valid study on a subject like child-rearing. Psychology and sociology are NOT real sciences, and the people who claim they can show that spanking is ineffective are usually pushing an agenda.

Like I said, I'm not a big fan of corporal punishment. During my whole childhood I was swatted on the rear maybe two or three times. I don't think I would've been a better kid if it had happened more often, but on those very rare occasions it was an excellent way to let me know that what I'd done was absolutely NOT acceptable. Certainly a hell of a lot better than drugging kids with amphetamines while hiding behind imaginary "illnesses" like ADD.

i agree with ppatin. i was swatted a few times on the behind and it got the point across really fast

 

[Red Squirrel]

Buses and planes should have children sections with sound proof walls.

They also need to bring back bum slapping. It should be kept as a last resort by the parents, but it should be available. When I was a kid I knew not to act like a brat or I'd get a spanking. It works, well.

 

[Svnla]

OP is complaining about 90 minutes flight?

How about I had to put up with a screaming infant for over 6 hours (from Saigon to Narita)? Mehhh.

 

[Codewiz]

I don't have kids.

Also, it's essentially impossible to do a meaningful study, scientifically valid study on a subject like child-rearing. Psychology and sociology are NOT real sciences, and the people who claim they can show that spanking is ineffective are usually pushing an agenda.

Like I said, I'm not a big fan of corporal punishment. During my whole childhood I was swatted on the rear maybe two or three times. I don't think I would've been a better kid if it had happened more often, but on those very rare occasions it was an excellent way to let me know that what I'd done was absolutely NOT acceptable. Certainly a hell of a lot better than drugging kids with amphetamines while hiding behind imaginary "illnesses" like ADD.

Psychology not a real science. Wow, you act like you can't come up with a hypothesis and test it. Last I looked you can.

As for pushing an agenda, last I looked, usually peer reviewed articles are published. Those usually show the methods used in the study. If you have an issue with the methods, you should raise them.

Science is a process/methodology and can be applied to both sociology and psychology.

 

[Anubis]

OP is complaining about 90 minutes flight?

How about I had to put up with a screaming infant for over 6 hours (from Saigon to Narita)? Mehhh.

could be worse the 16 or so hour flight to gaynerland with screaming kids is pretty much hell on earth

 

[GTaudiophile]

I think an airline could make a lot of money if they were to restrict families with children under the age of 8 to flying only at specific times during the day. Early morning/red eye/late night flights would be for "adults" only.

 

[meltdown75]

worst i ever experienced was coming home from Vegas... toddler kid screaming bloody murder for no apparent reason, parents completely oblivious burnout hippies. it was pure insanity.

 

[rivan]

As was stated earlier... it is the parents who are the issue.. not the child.

My GF's son is 4. He's been on 6 flights in the last 2 years (his Aunt lives in Cali.. we fly out there so they can visit) .. never once has he cried, screamed, or been misbehaved. We bring coloring books for him, as well as a portable dvd player with his favorite movies.

To a point, yes. Especially on short flights (say, sub-6 hours).

But on longer flights, higher energy kids can be hard to manage. Small children can't be told to swallow/chew/yawn to manage the pressure changes (or sometimes have inner ear issues that make those things not work). Some can be scared by the noise if they haven't flown before.

My daughter's always been a dream on airplanes. My son's always taken a LOT of management to even be bearable.

Different kids are different.

 

[Daverino]

This thread is full of people who never misbehaved as children, despite their parents best efforts.

Or it's full of people that don't know what to do with that rock pile they've collected inside their glass house.

Either way, can't quite tell.

 

[child of wonder]

Certainly a hell of a lot better than drugging kids with amphetamines while hiding behind imaginary "illnesses" like ADD.

Again.... the arm chair parents here are fantastic.

"I've never had kids but I'm convinced ADHD isn't real!"

You might as well be saying:

"I've never been to France but I'm convinced the Eifel Tower is bright purple!"

My wife and I fought with our son from ages 4-7 with his behavior. We tried several different discipline styles, including spankings, all to no avail.

We took him to pediatricians, counselors, and psychologists. When they mentioned ADHD we resisted. We didn't want him doped up. We stressed to all of them that we did not want him medicated.

Finally, after 3 years of frustration and seeing our son not reach his full potential at school, we had him tested for ADHD. We put him on a small dose of Concerta and the change in his behavior was immediate.

We were so scared he wouldn't be himself anymore, but some kind of drugged up zombie. To the contrary, he is still the same kid, but he has that "reasoning filter" we all take for granted. He would act so impulsively and it would get him in constant trouble.

He still has the occassional issues with his behavior, but he is now able to particpate in the gifted program at school and frequently comes home without having had any behavior issues that day.

He's happier and we're happier.

Our hope is that as he matures he can be weened off medication and learn to control his impulses himself.

But to hear people who don't have kids or have never had to deal with one that actually has ADHD (and, yes, I do acknowledge there are many that are misdiagnosed) say things like "ADHD isn't real, you're just a bad parent" or "you just want to dope up your kid so you don't have to deal with him" really pisses me off.