It Looks Like Trump is Gearing up for a Presidential Run (2024).

[Fanatical Meat]

What would be great is DeSantis gets picked for nomination, former President continually complains about primary voter fraud then runs as an independent candidate thus splitting the vote.
Even better would be a Jan 6 event and republicans finally get sick of the former President

 

[Pens1566]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that Desantis barely won as governor of FL. IIRC, it was inside the margin requiring a mandatory recount. Now, his profile is certainly higher than it was then, but that door swings both ways.

I would like to see a fight between Trump and Desantis though. Watch those two tear each other down and just be the complete and utter assholes they really are.

And if it's not Biden on the top of the ticket, it'll be Newsom. I'd bet quite a bit on that actually.

 

[fskimospy]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that Desantis barely won as governor of FL. IIRC, it was inside the margin requiring a mandatory recount. Now, his profile is certainly higher than it was then, but that door swings both ways.

I would like to see a fight between Trump and Desantis though. Watch those two tear each other down and just be the complete and utter assholes they really are.

And if it's not Biden on the top of the ticket, it'll be Newsom. I'd bet quite a bit on that actually.

I think DeSantis is a very strong Republican primary candidate but I'm not sure how strong he is in the general election, I agree. He would be stronger than Trump though, although Trump was a historically weak candidate.

 

[gothuevos]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that Desantis barely won as governor of FL. IIRC, it was inside the margin requiring a mandatory recount. Now, his profile is certainly higher than it was then, but that door swings both ways.

I would like to see a fight between Trump and Desantis though. Watch those two tear each other down and just be the complete and utter assholes they really are.

And if it's not Biden on the top of the ticket, it'll be Newsom. I'd bet quite a bit on that actually.

Newsome has been trolling them over on Truth Social so I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to him LOL. He probably wouldn't win but he would at least push back against the lies.

I wonder if Liz Cheney ran as an independent if she would siphon off enough votes to help or if that would hurt the Dems more.

 

[woolfe9998]

Agree with all this but it also begs the question: where the hell is Dem leadership on all this? Why are we stuck with Biden and the rest of the geriatric brigade? Where's someone with some fire in their belly to try to counter everything that's coming down the pipeline from the right? We're like deer in headlights here.

That's a good question, insofar as you're referring to Biden running again in 2024. I hope he doesn't. There's good reasons for him not to. But going off past history, LBJ in '68 is the only time I can recall an incumbent choosing not to run.

I'd say they should try to challenge him in the primary. Ted Kennedy came close to taking the nomination from Jimmy Carter. But a contested primary will hurt whichever dem candidate prevails. So this decision ultimately is on Biden and no one else.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

That's a good question, insofar as you're referring to Biden running again in 2024. I hope he doesn't. There's good reasons for him not to. But going off past history, LBJ in '68 is the only time I can recall an incumbent choosing not to run.

I'd say they should try to challenge him in the primary. Ted Kennedy came close to taking the nomination from Jimmy Carter. But a contested primary will hurt whichever dem candidate prevails. So this decision ultimately is on Biden and no one else.

I think it would be RBG-level arrogance for him to run again. Shit, he said himself that he saw himself as a 'breather President' or whatever.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think DeSantis is a very strong Republican primary candidate but I'm not sure how strong he is in the general election, I agree. He would be stronger than Trump though, although Trump was a historically weak candidate.

Yes I would agree with that assessment. In the general election, the dems can use those insane culture war laws he's passed in Florida to alienate him from swing voters. And Trump's "base only" strategy won't work if DeSantis can't get the same base turnout as Trump did.

 

[pcgeek11]

That's a good question, insofar as you're referring to Biden running again in 2024. I hope he doesn't. There's good reasons for him not to. But going off past history, LBJ in '68 is the only time I can recall an incumbent choosing not to run.

I'd say they should try to challenge him in the primary. Ted Kennedy came close to taking the nomination from Jimmy Carter. But a contested primary will hurt whichever dem candidate prevails. So this decision ultimately is on Biden and no one else.

Many wonder if he will make it to 2024.

I hope he does as President Kamala Harris make me want to throw up.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Many wonder if he will make it to 2024.

Many? You mean yourself alone?

 

[Pens1566]

I think it would be RBG-level arrogance for him to run again. Shit, he said himself that he saw himself as a 'breather President' or whatever.

I will agree if things stay as-is. What I mean by that is, if there is no positive push towards any/all of SC reform, voting rights, guns, etc. that is driven by a WH push (remove filibuster, whatever) ... then yes, he should definitely come out and just say "I'm not running again". If he does magically find his balls somehow in the next ~year and start doing some of the things he was elected for, then I'd be ok with him running again health permitting. And TBH, I honestly don't think his health is any more of a concern than Trumps. In fact, markedly less of a concern.

Status quo is just going to piss off the people that put him there in the first place. They'll say he did nothing which he campaigned on, and they'd be right. It'll lessen enthusiasm for '24 and permit whatever creature ends up crawling out from under the GOP rock to waltz into the WH.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I will agree if things stay as-is. What I mean by that is, if there is no positive push towards any/all of SC reform, voting rights, guns, etc. that is driven by a WH push (remove filibuster, whatever) ... then yes, he should definitely come out and just say "I'm not running again". If he does magically find his balls somehow in the next ~year and start doing some of the things he was elected for, then I'd be ok with him running again health permitting. And TBH, I honestly don't think his health is any more of a concern than Trumps. In fact, markedly less of a concern.

Status quo is just going to piss off the people that put him there in the first place. They'll say he did nothing which he campaigned on, and they'd be right. It'll lessen enthusiasm for '24 and permit whatever creature ends up crawling out from under the GOP rock to waltz into the WH.

Even if he does perform a whirlwind dance of change, I'd still rather him use that momentum to prop up a younger up-and-coming rather than run, again. There's a real problem with 'old white folk' ending up running shit in America and there's no favors being done by the oldest white folk we can find retaining a position he doesn't need to stay in.

 

[Indus]

Many wonder if he will make it to 2024.

I hope he does as President Kamala Harris make me want to throw up.

You can always push for a national divorce.

C'mon think about it.. would you rather be miserable most of the time or just focus on your own neck of the woods?

 

[Pens1566]

Even if he does perform a whirlwind dance of change, I'd still rather him use that momentum to prop up a younger up-and-coming rather than run, again. There's a real problem with 'old white folk' ending up running shit in America and there's no favors being done by the oldest white folk we can find retaining a position he doesn't need to stay in.

Valid point as well. Might work if somehow Harris becomes the "attack dog" that is put in front of those efforts in order to ease the transition. That would probably be the smart political move.

 

[pmv]

I'm finding it hard to be patient with news stories these days. I find myself wanting to know _now_ whether Trump will run in 2024, and also (hopefully a slightly-shorter timescale story) whether Johnson is going to quit. Not to mention, is Russia going to fail in Ukraine (and withdraw ignominiously) and is another significant COVID variant going to emerge?
Oh, not to mention 'what crazy hard-right ruling will the Supreme Court come up with next?'
Too many cliffhangers these days.

 

[Pens1566]

I'm finding it hard to be patient with news stories these days. I find myself wanting to know _now_ whether Trump will run in 2024, and also (hopefully a slightly-shorter timescale story) whether Johnson is going to quit. Not to mention, is Russia going to fail in Ukraine (and withdraw ignominiously) and is another significant COVID variant going to emerge?

Too many cliffhangers these days.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes

 

[fskimospy]

Many wonder if he will make it to 2024.

I hope he does as President Kamala Harris make me want to throw up.

People who are wondering that are mostly engaging in some sort of weird wishcasting where they invent stories about Biden's failing health. Like, they've been convincing themselves he will die at any minute for the last three years and are continually mystified as he continues to be in good health.

I'm not aware of any medical condition he has that would likely lead to his death in the next two years and according to the social security actuarial tables he should expect to live nine more years which is probably an underestimate given that he has the best health care in the world.

 

[pmv]

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes

Are you one of the script-writers or the show-runner? If not, then those are just guesses, dammit.

 

[vi edit]

Harris is a death sentence if Dems want to run her in 2024. She doesn't have a pulse with the electorate and offers next to nothing. If you just want to hand 2024 to the GOP go ahead and run her. Same for Biden. Dems need to find a populist in a hurry. They need someone that can motivate the entire tent and not pander to identity politics.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes I would agree with that assessment. In the general election, the dems can use those insane culture war laws he's passed in Florida to alienate him from swing voters. And Trump's "base only" strategy won't work if DeSantis can't get the same base turnout as Trump did.

I am firmly convinced the 'base only' strategy is almost always a failure. If you look at when Trump won in 2016 he very clearly did not choose that strategy, he portrayed himself as a moderate on most issues. Then he went ultra ultra base in 2020 and lost by the largest margin by an incumbent in a loooong time.

Base mobilization as a campaign strategy is political suicide.

 

[fskimospy]

Harris is a death sentence if Dems want to run her in 2024. She doesn't have a pulse with the electorate and offers next to nothing. If you just want to hand 2024 to the GOP go ahead and run her. Same for Biden. Dems need to find a populist in a hurry. They need someone that can motivate the entire tent and not pander to identity politics.

Conservatives run exclusively on identity politics and it works fine for them.

Regardless, if you think nominating Biden is a death sentence in 2024 how do you explain this?

Newsom a stronger 2024 candidate than Harris, poll says

A recently released survey polled hypothetical 2024 matchups between Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis.

www.sfgate.com

As I've said, predicting elections this far out is not possible so I don't make much of this but it makes no sense to say the guy beating the two GOP frontrunners in a current poll is somehow doomed.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Many wonder if he will make it to 2024.

I hope he does as President Kamala Harris make me want to throw up.

Joe is pretty fit, he will make it.
I do feel Joe didn’t want to be President sort of like how the former President really didn’t want to be President. Just in Joe’s case I think he wanted a quiet retirement but duty called.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Harris is a death sentence if Dems want to run her in 2024. She doesn't have a pulse with the electorate and offers next to nothing. If you just want to hand 2024 to the GOP go ahead and run her. Same for Biden. Dems need to find a populist in a hurry. They need someone that can motivate the entire tent and not pander to identity politics.

yeah she is a one or two hit wonder. Decent primary debate question and the other question in the VP debate but that is all. Zero excitement or even leadership.

 

[Pens1566]

Are you one of the script-writers or the show-runner? If not, then those are just guesses, dammit.

I will neither confirm nor deny ...

 

[MrSquished]

It can't be Harris and it can't be Biden. I wish mayor Pete excited the African American base because can't win without them in certain states.

This is all being based on free and fair elections though. I think the supreme Court case next year is going to give the state legislatures much more control over the voting process and goodbye to any actual legitimate election in any conservative led purple state.

 

[UNCjigga]

What would be great is DeSantis gets picked for nomination, former President continually complains about primary voter fraud then runs as an independent candidate thus splitting the vote.
Even better would be a Jan 6 event and republicans finally get sick of the former President

It will never happen…DeSantis just has to cough/sneeze a few syllables that rhyme with “pardon” and Trump will fold his campaign in a heartbeat.