It is time sanders drops out.

[dank69]

He has recently just flip-flopped on both of these issues. Phase 2 (Moderate) has begun. We're getting played.

http://nypost.com/2016/03/04/trump-flip-flops-on-torture-killing-terrorists-families/

Or, he was reminded that you can't advocate these things publicly even if you still support them privately. He pretty publicly made it known that it isn't a moral issue for him though. Too bad we have laws in place restraining him and the other GOP hopefuls. Maybe we can get another GOP President coupled with filibuster-proof GOP Congress who can then nominate and rubber-stamp up to 4 more conservative Justices and hop aboard the pain train.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Nope, it turns out that Trump was a big supporter of both the Iraq war and the intervention in Libya. He has recently CLAIMED that he wasn't in favor of either of those, but that turned out to be yet another lie.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczy...-he-supported-invading-iraq-on-the#.iyO3xpEeZ

Now that you know he's lied to everyone yet again about topics you claim to find important does that change your decision to vote for him over Hillary?

He was ambivalent at best before the Iraq war and publicly stated he was against it just after the war started.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

I've already stated that Trump's bought into Hillary's false narrative regarding impending genocide, a position on the Libya war that he has subsequently recanted. The video clip excerpt you linked was made in February, 2011 when Hillary was in full propaganda-mode advocating war based on the lie of impending genocide. At that time, the media was giving her bald-faced lie full coverage which led up the our involvement in Libya the following month. Trump's mistake was that he believed her and responded as if she was telling the truth.

 

[lopri]

Sanders should not drop out even if his prospect for the nomination has dimmed quite a bit. The more delegates he accumulates the more demands he can make on behalf of his supporters that Clinton cannot ignore.

 

[sontakke]

OK I will play along; what demands do you think he can make off Hillary which she would have otherwise ignored? Please be specific.

 

[fskimospy]

He was ambivalent at best before the Iraq war and publicly stated he was against just after the war started.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

I've already stated that Trump's bought into Hillary's false narrative regarding impending genocide, a position on the Libya war that he has subsequently recanted. The video clip excerpt you linked was made in February, 2011 when Hillary was in full propaganda-mode advocating war based on the lie of impending genocide. At that time, the media was giving her bald-faced lie full coverage which led up the our involvement in Libya the following month.

I find it interesting that you call what Hillary did a 'bald faced lie' but then try to cover for Trump's bald faced lie by saying that even though he claimed he was against the war and is on tape saying he was for the war, it doesn't count because he was only modestly for the war.

Say it with me. Donald Trump made yet another bald faced lie.

 

[lopri]

OK I will play along; what demands do you think he can make off Hillary which she would have otherwise ignored? Please be specific.

Having his organizations around the country be included in the general election, for starters? Especially in states where voting has not taken place yet.

 

[dank69]

I find it interesting that you call what Hillary did a 'bald faced lie' but then try to cover for Trump's bald faced lie by saying that even though he claimed he was against the war and is on tape saying he was for the war, it doesn't count because he was only modestly for the war.

Say it with me. Donald Trump made yet another bald faced lie.

I guarantee the Doc doesn't give Hillary a pass for voting to give war powers to Bush just because he lied about WMDs.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Hillary is dishonest, but she apologizes when she fucks up, and, while she clearly is taking legal bribes from corporations, she is also taking legal bribes from Unions. Generally you dont bite the hand that feeds, so, I dont think she will fuck over the middle class.

Trump is dishonest, but he simply doesn't admit to his fuckups. he is like a polished turd. People say you cant polish a turd, but, he is proof that they are wrong.

Sanders appears to be honest, but, he more or less limits the scope of his comments/arguments. He more or less runs on his agenda which he spells out gladly for everybody who will listen. he hasn't gotten caught wit his pants down, so, not sure how that would play out if that theoretic scenario were to play out.

Anyhow, I guess, I learned something this election season, you CAN polish a turd.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I find it interesting that you call what Hillary did a 'bald faced lie' but then try to cover for Trump's bald faced lie by saying that even though he claimed he was against the war and is on tape saying he was for the war, it doesn't count because he was only modestly for the war.

Say it with me. Donald Trump made yet another bald faced lie.

Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and every other candidate have made numerous bald faced lies. The irony here it that Trump was basing his opinion on Libya at the time on the very basis that Hillary's bald faced lie was the truth. Check the timeline Sherlock.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I guarantee the Doc doesn't give Hillary a pass for voting to give war powers to Bush just because he lied about WMDs.

Good point. Do you give her a pass on her Iraq War vote and then turn around to demonize Trump for believing Hillary's lies which led to the war she promoted?

 

[dank69]

Good point. Do you give her a pass on her Iraq War vote and then would turn around and demonize Trump for believing Hillary's lies which led to the war she promoted?

Depends. What evidence do you have that she lied?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Depends. What evidence do you have that she lied?

No genocide took place and there was no evidence of impending genocide found. Clinton twisted and falsely framed ONE statement by Gadhafi iirc. It was a civil war ffs. And we had no business getting into it and choosing the winner.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-libya-war-genocide-narrative-rejec/?page=all

This woman has caused untold human suffering and destabilized not only Libya but its surrounding countries as well. But hey, that's OK...it's Trump who's the demon here for changing his position after realizing she lied her ass off to promote this war. /s

 

[sontakke]

Having his organizations around the country be included in the general election, for starters? Especially in states where voting has not taken place yet.

OK but that did not answer the question. Which BS's objectives have been rejected by Hillary? List the objectives first and then we can discuss the feasibility of each later.

All I am hearing are the code words. It is as if an assertion is made zillion times, it automatically becomes true. Sadly for average electorate, this has been the case but I am giving you benefit of doubt and trust that you are well above average.

 

[lopri]

Why should I play along when you reject a legitimate answer that I gave, without so much as an acknowledgement? I have zero idea as to what the rest of your post is about. (Code words? What are those?)

 

[dank69]

No genocide took place and there was no evidence of impending genocide found. Clinton twisted and falsely framed ONE statement by Gadhafi iirc. It was a civil war ffs. And we had no business getting into it and choosing the winner.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-libya-war-genocide-narrative-rejec/?page=all

This woman has caused untold human suffering and destabilized not only Libya but its surrounding countries as well. But hey, that's OK...it's Trump who's the demon here for changing his position after realizing she lied her ass off to promote this war. /s

That seems like a lot of speculation. From your link:

“We can’t definitively predict whether the State Department’s claims of an impending crisis on the scale of the Rwanda genocide would have come to pass,” Robyn Shepherd, a spokeswoman at Amnesty International, said in an email statement. “What we can confirm is that Libyan forces were committing serious violations of international humanitarian law.”

and:

Mrs. Clinton’s defenders could argue that Americans will never know whether a genocide would have occurred because the U.S. did the right thing and intervened before it could happen. They also are certain to note that the final decision rested not with Mrs. Clinton but with Mr. Obama.

It doesn't seem like this is an open and shut case like you make it out to be.

 

[BoberFett]

OK but that did not answer the question. Which BS's objectives have been rejected by Hillary? List the objectives first and then we can discuss the feasibility of each later.

All I am hearing are the code words. It is as if an assertion is made zillion times, it automatically becomes true. Sadly for average electorate, this has been the case but I am giving you benefit of doubt and trust that you are well above average.

Hillary was for single payer before she was against single payer.

"[Singler payer health care] will never, ever come to pass." - Hillary Clinton, Jan 2016

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-ca...lth-industry-now-says-single-payer-will-never

 

[ivwshane]

Hillary was for single payer before she was against single payer.

"[Singler payer health care] will never, ever come to pass." - Hillary Clinton, Jan 2016

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-ca...lth-industry-now-says-single-payer-will-never

Are you lying again? Nah! You wouldn't do that!

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

She had always been for universal health care and continues to be. The difference, which low information voters aren't capable of understanding, is that in the current political climate getting universal health care is pretty much impossible. That's a fact.

 

[dank69]

Hillary was for single payer before she was against single payer.

"[Singler payer health care] will never, ever come to pass." - Hillary Clinton, Jan 2016

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-ca...lth-industry-now-says-single-payer-will-never

That's a nice Fox News soundbite that ignores the context.

 

[fskimospy]

Hillary was for single payer before she was against single payer.

"[Singler payer health care] will never, ever come to pass." - Hillary Clinton, Jan 2016

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-ca...lth-industry-now-says-single-payer-will-never

She's not against single payer health care, she's just realistically stating the odds of it being enacted into law any time soon.

Why do you complain about Hillary being dishonest and then try to slam her for telling the truth that other people want to ignore? You should be applauding her honesty.

 

[fskimospy]

Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and every other candidate have made numerous bald faced lies. The irony here it that Trump was basing his opinion on Libya at the time on the very basis that Hillary's bald faced lie was the truth. Check the timeline Sherlock.

Except there's no actual evidence that Hillary was lying. She said something that turned out not to happen, but that doesn't mean it's a bald faced lie as that would require her to know it was wrong and be going with it anyway. Is your excuse for Trump going to be that the man with the self proclaimed world's greatest memory simply forgot that he was supporting the Iraq War? Your selective outrage is very telling.

 

[BoberFett]

It doesn't seem like this is an open and shut case like you make it out to be.

So then you'd also agree that

Mr. Bush's defenders could argue that Americans will never know whether a genocide would have occurred because the U.S. did the right thing and intervened before it could happen.

Ah, the what if game...

 

[dank69]

So then you'd also agree that



Ah, the what if game...

No again Bober. Bush said there were WMDs, remember? There were never any WMDs, remember?

 

[ivwshane]

So then you'd also agree that



Ah, the what if game...

What are you talking about? Are you talking about Iraq and the Bush administration's claim that saddam had weapons of mass destruction? Because there is no what if there, it's a fact, he did not have any. Saddam committing genocide wasn't the pretense for the Iraq invasion.

Your flailing is amazing.

 

[BoberFett]

Are you lying again? Nah! You wouldn't do that!

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

She had always been for universal health care and continues to be. The difference, which low information voters aren't capable of understanding, is that in the current political climate getting universal health care is pretty much impossible. That's a fact.

So she's fighting for something that she says will NEVER EVER happen? Sounds like a waste of time and resources.

That's a nice Fox News soundbite that ignores the context.

Fox News? Are you saying that every one of the many, many news outlets that reported on that are just parroting Fox News?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hillary+single+payer+will+never+come+to+pass

You are barely literate. Please don't vote.

She's not against single payer health care, she's just realistically stating the odds of it being enacted into law any time soon.

Why do you complain about Hillary being dishonest and then try to slam her for telling the truth that other people want to ignore? You should be applauding her honesty.

So she's for it, but not really.


You are all a bunch of rubes.

 

[BoberFett]

No again Bober. Bush said there were WMDs, remember? There were never any WMDs, remember?

What are you talking about? Are you talking about Iraq and the Bush administration's claim that saddam had weapons of mass destruction? Because there is no what if there, it's a fact, he did not have any. Saddam committing genocide wasn't the pretense for the Iraq invasion.

Your flailing is amazing.

Jesus you're both morons. Does Kurdish genocide ring a bell?