Israel to colonize new Palestinian territory

[Narmer]

If the Arabs are not going to resist this blatent theft of their land then they don't deserve it. IMHO, Israel should stop this "peace process" game and declare all Palestinian land as conquered territory and claim new ownership. All this whining and bitching from the Palestinian side over the past 15 years hasn't produced sh!t for their people. They should either cower in a corner and die or fight for what they truly believe in. Israel is pissing on their shoes and calling it rain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6645777.stm

New Jerusalem settlement planned

The Israeli authorities are planning to build three new Jewish neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem, an area regarded as occupied land under international law.
The plan, which has yet to receive final approval, would involve building about 20,000 homes.

The Palestinian chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat, said the plan destroyed efforts to re-start the peace process.

He said Israel had to choose between settlements or peace, but could not have both.

Yehoshua Pollak, Jerusalem's deputy mayor, said the intention was to create a contiguous Jewish residential area linking East Jerusalem with major West Bank settlement blocs.

Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since 1967. It annexed the area in 1981 and sees it as its exclusive domain.

This has not been recognised by the international community. Palestinians hope to establish the capital of their future state in the East Jerusalem.

 

[Jaskalas]

Guess killing Israelis doesn?t pay off as well as they hoped.

 

[brandonb]

Its a revolving issue.

They do it to each other. Israel know building settlements will cause Palestinian's to suicide bomb them, and that is the excuse they use to build new settlements. I'm not pointing fingers any side. I'm just saying at this point both of them are using whatever as an excuse to escalate the conflict and neither side is willing to do what it takes to solve the issue.

They just feed off each other.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Its a revolving issue.

They do it to each other. Israel know building settlements will cause Palestinian's to suicide bomb them, and that is the excuse they use to build new settlements. I'm not pointing fingers any side. I'm just saying at this point both of them are using whatever as an excuse to escalate the conflict and neither side is willing to do what it takes to solve the issue.

They just feed off each other.

I admit that is the case. Yet who are we (the international community) to tell both of them that they must sit back and let this ongoing war continue indefinitely? In the long run many lives would be saved if we stayed the hell out of that region and let Israel do everything necessary to force Palestine to surrender.

Instead of allowing the war to end, we force them to stand back and jab at each other indefinitely.

 

[Martin]

So they're not supposed to fight, they're not supposed to complain, they're not supposed to negotiate... what exactly do you want them to do? Kill themselves and leave their land to Israelis?

 

[Aimster]

wrong move by Israel

it just shows Israel's true goal. To have as much land as possible with no regard for who lives there.
sound familiar?
open up a history book.

 

[Mxylplyx]

They won it in a war they didnt start. Build away. We in the west like to draw an arbitrary line in history as to when it was no longer acceptable to keep the land you conquer. Convenient for us that we did all our land grabs before that date.

 

[Aimster]

So kicking out current residents to build homes for Jews is acceptable to you because of a war that happened a long time ago?
w00t

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Aimster
So kicking out current residents to build homes for Jews is acceptable to you because of a war that happened a long time ago?
w00t

Perhaps you can quote the part where they said they'd be kicking out current residents??

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: brandonb
Its a revolving issue.

They do it to each other. Israel know building settlements will cause Palestinian's to suicide bomb them, and that is the excuse they use to build new settlements. I'm not pointing fingers any side. I'm just saying at this point both of them are using whatever as an excuse to escalate the conflict and neither side is willing to do what it takes to solve the issue.

They just feed off each other.

I admit that is the case. Yet who are we (the international community) to tell both of them that they must sit back and let this ongoing war continue indefinitely? In the long run many lives would be saved if we stayed the hell out of that region and let Israel do everything necessary to force Palestine to surrender.

Instead of allowing the war to end, we force them to stand back and jab at each other indefinitely.

Build a dome and throw away the key for 100 years. If they can't figure that stuff out themself, noone else can. This crap has been going on for 50 years.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Aimster
So kicking out current residents to build homes for Jews is acceptable to you because of a war that happened a long time ago?
w00t

Perhaps you can quote the part where they said they'd be kicking out current residents??

So this is land that is empty? nobody lives on this land that can house 20,000 homes?

Israel treats Palestinians like garbage.
and so do the Arabs around Palestine.

Nobody cares for the Palestinians except people who care about "human rights" and like to go marching in the streets holding signs made from poster boards. If those people actually had an influence or power, we would be doing something about Darfur.

 

[Jhhnn]

They won it in a war they didnt start. Build away. We in the west like to draw an arbitrary line in history as to when it was no longer acceptable to keep the land you conquer. Convenient for us that we did all our land grabs before that date.

Incorrect. The 1967 war was pre-emptive on Israel's part, or so they claim. They're the ones who started shooting first...

But I'm sure it's convenient to claim otherwise.

The "Roadmap to Peace" is just a joint Israeli/Neocon PR move, a propaganda ploy. Israelis have consistently traded peace for territory, other than with Egypt over the Sinai- who'd want it, anyway? They'll continue to do so, so long as Uncle Sam sits in the corner, wringing his hands in mock horror...

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Martin
So they're not supposed to fight, they're not supposed to complain, they're not supposed to negotiate... what exactly do you want them to do? Kill themselves and leave their land to Israelis?

They could put down their arms and live in peace. Gosh, that's so hard to even contemplate eh?

 

[flavio]

Time for the US to cut off all aid to Israel.

 

[Lemon law]

One thing is almost certain, Arab anger at Israel will again escalate making any progress regarding Iraq even more difficult. Hezbollah is also likely to resume large scale attacks. Israel will likely paint itself deeper into a corner. I hardly consider this as anything but a lose lose lose from all sides and a very dangerous provocation. But I am somewhat sure that Al-Quida is positively salivating at the prospect.

Any Arab government in the region will also risk overthrow if their leaders don't take some strong actions. All conventional wisdom may go out the window on this one.

 

[nullzero]

Good Israel deserves all the land from these animals.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Good Israel deserves all the land from these animals.

Actually the Palestinians deserve all the land from the Israeli criminals.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

They won it in a war they didnt start. Build away. We in the west like to draw an arbitrary line in history as to when it was no longer acceptable to keep the land you conquer. Convenient for us that we did all our land grabs before that date.

Incorrect. The 1967 war was pre-emptive on Israel's part, or so they claim. They're the ones who started shooting first...

But I'm sure it's convenient to claim otherwise.

The "Roadmap to Peace" is just a joint Israeli/Neocon PR move, a propaganda ploy. Israelis have consistently traded peace for territory, other than with Egypt over the Sinai- who'd want it, anyway? They'll continue to do so, so long as Uncle Sam sits in the corner, wringing his hands in mock horror...

Anybody with an objective view of history knows damn well that Israel's neighbors were amassing their armies for an attack. I havent even seen Syria, Egypt, etc deny this.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Martin
So they're not supposed to fight, they're not supposed to complain, they're not supposed to negotiate... what exactly do you want them to do? Kill themselves and leave their land to Israelis?

Call it frustration on my part at these Palestinians. They need to show Israel that they mean business. The peace process for the past 15 years has been a pure joke. If they want their land back, they need to pick up arms and fight to the last child. The Israelis, with American help, have been playing them for fools for far too long. The joke is on the Palestinians.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

They won it in a war they didnt start. Build away. We in the west like to draw an arbitrary line in history as to when it was no longer acceptable to keep the land you conquer. Convenient for us that we did all our land grabs before that date.

Incorrect. The 1967 war was pre-emptive on Israel's part, or so they claim. They're the ones who started shooting first...

But I'm sure it's convenient to claim otherwise.

The "Roadmap to Peace" is just a joint Israeli/Neocon PR move, a propaganda ploy. Israelis have consistently traded peace for territory, other than with Egypt over the Sinai- who'd want it, anyway? They'll continue to do so, so long as Uncle Sam sits in the corner, wringing his hands in mock horror...

Anybody with an objective view of history knows damn well that Israel's neighbors were amassing their armies for an attack. I havent even seen Syria, Egypt, etc deny this.

The question was who attacked first? Can you deny that it was the Israelis? If I was Israeli I would've attacked first myself but don't obfuscate the truth with an "end justifies the means" answer.

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: nullzero
Good Israel deserves all the land from these animals.

Actually the Palestinians deserve all the land from the Israeli criminals.

Using your logic then the Israelis should get land in Saudi Arabia as well... there are parts of western Saudi Arabia where Jews setttled there before anyone.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: nullzero
Good Israel deserves all the land from these animals.

Actually the Palestinians deserve all the land from the Israeli criminals.

I dont know why you people throw around the word "deserve". "Deserving" something gets you nothing in international affairs. You only deserve what you take by force and can defend. The Indians deserves North America until we took it from them. The Mexicans deserved the southwest until we took it from them. No country on this planet has any room to tell anybody else what they deserve and what they dont. All you keyboard commandos out there are sitting on land right now that was warred over by your ancestors. It's good to be the victor...aint it??

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Martin
So they're not supposed to fight, they're not supposed to complain, they're not supposed to negotiate... what exactly do you want them to do? Kill themselves and leave their land to Israelis?

They could put down their arms and live in peace. Gosh, that's so hard to even contemplate eh?

When you're being treated like cattle, it is indeed very hard to contemplate. Basically when someone takes away their land and homes, they're supposed to simply give it up and go away somewhere. When their homes or farms get destroyed, they need to just smile and rebuild. When their kids get killed, they should be thankful they didn't kill the entire family.

This will obviously come as a surprise to you and others similarly out of touch with reality, but poeple don't like being treated like cattle - they get mad and fight back.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

They won it in a war they didnt start. Build away. We in the west like to draw an arbitrary line in history as to when it was no longer acceptable to keep the land you conquer. Convenient for us that we did all our land grabs before that date.

Incorrect. The 1967 war was pre-emptive on Israel's part, or so they claim. They're the ones who started shooting first...

But I'm sure it's convenient to claim otherwise.

The "Roadmap to Peace" is just a joint Israeli/Neocon PR move, a propaganda ploy. Israelis have consistently traded peace for territory, other than with Egypt over the Sinai- who'd want it, anyway? They'll continue to do so, so long as Uncle Sam sits in the corner, wringing his hands in mock horror...

Anybody with an objective view of history knows damn well that Israel's neighbors were amassing their armies for an attack. I havent even seen Syria, Egypt, etc deny this.

The question was who attacked first? Can you deny that it was the Israelis? If I was Israeli I would've attacked first myself but don't obfuscate the truth with an "end justifies the means" answer.

What is the point of splitting hairs here? Israel's neighbors were amassing an army to attack Israel. Doesnt really matter who fired the first shot. Israel didnt decide to start a war, they just decided to win it.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: nullzero

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: nullzero
Good Israel deserves all the land from these animals.

Actually the Palestinians deserve all the land from the Israeli criminals.

Using your logic then the Israelis should get land in Saudi Arabia as well... there are parts of western Saudi Arabia where Jews setttled there before anyone.

My logic isn't based on who settled where thousands of years ago. More of a currently violating international law thing.