Sometimes defeat is hard to accept. Billions of people have been defeated in history and treated much worse. Just a few centuries ago, defeat usually meant mass rape and slaughter. Hell, Japan practiced such techniques less than a centry ago.
Jesus christ, are you really that dense? So if someone points a gun at you, your the agressor if you shoot him first?
No but I still shot them first and that's the truth. Hey, I agreed with you on what Israel did but you are trying to claim that the Arabs started the war when they clearly didn't.
JD50
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You said "The question was who attacked first? "
If a gang had your house surrounded, guns drawn, with the obvious intent of invading your house, would you be considered the agressor if you started the shooting or would you be considered defending your home?
If someone came up to you and pulled a knife on you, ready to kill you, but then you pulled out a gun and shot them, would you be considered the attacker?
In a war, you have one side that attacks and one side that defends, Israel was the defender.
Well, perhaps you think Ghenghis Khan was the pinnacle of human civilization and people today need to be held up to that standard (a rather common view amongst war supporters, many of whom are mad the US army isn't a pack of barbarians), but us crazy radicals have this weird notion of "progress" and that involves things like saying genocide is wrong, regardless of who did it in the past.
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/2007_03_19_New%20Republic.pdf
Israelis recognize this of course, which is why they're such vile hypocrites. They know what they're doing is wrong, so even as they kill hundreds of innocent civilians, bulldoze homes and build settlements and appease their rabid religious fanatics, they have an army of PR people telling everyone how wonderful and civlized they are. You can't have it both ways.
Until everyone is a pacifist like you, peace loving people have to maintain the capacity to inflict incredible violence on those that stand to do them harm. Israel, being surrounded by people that want them wiped off the map, doesnt have the luxury of your wishy washy ideals, which I imagine your espousing from a location where oceans seperate you from harm. The palestinians are very fortunate that Israel shows more restraint than them, because given their abilities, if Israel behaved like their neighbors, they could kill every last palestinian man, woman, and child, just as their neighbors would like to do to them. Lets be thankful Israel isnt as barbaric as her neighbors.
Jaskalas
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Do police commit genocide when they kill a shooter? Did we commit genocide in WW2 when we fought our enemies? Same thing still applies today, those who have sworn to kill us must they themselves die first and it is our duty to ensure that happens. Peaceful people should not be bothered, but the fighters and their enablers should be dealt with brutally and swiftly.
They ALWAYS have the option to surrender and be peaceful, it is their choice to try and kill us and it is our DUTY to stop it.
Aye. The zionists are so magnanimous. They steal the Palestinian land out of the goodness of their hearts.
Maybe the Palestinian Suicide Bomber Mickey Mouse can fly in and save the day for the oppressed Palestinians.
Heh, that reminds me of the US officer who during the Vietnam war laughed at the stupid NV g**k, who'd spend weeks running hundreds of miles along the Ho Chi Minh trail with three mortar rounds on his back, only for a mortarman to fire off those rounds in three seconds.
This is just typical antisemitic BS actually.
Egypt clearly committed an act of war by blockading the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, which clearly violated the rules of international navigation, they just were not prepared to deal with the consequences of their actions.
On the eve of the 1967 war, thousands of troops from Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq were massing along the Israeli border. Israel had every right to strike, as it was evident that they were going to be invaded. It wasn't like the Israelis just randomly started attacking the rest of the Middle East.
Really though, this whole debate is ridiculous. Israel has taken on the whole Middle East several times now and won decisively. And yet, the Palestinian leadership refuses to even believe that the Israelis have a right to exist? They're completely screwing over their own people by being so stubborn and narrow-minded.
Palestine is neither of the nations you named.
They were slaves and they are slaves now They shouldn't pay the price of anyone's army.
They never had an army and they don't have an army now
Just because the Arabs around them decided to use them doesn't mean they should have to be a victim today. They were the victim always.
Time to free the Palestinians... not from Israelis.. but from everyone around them.
Also, Israel never fought the entire Middle East. The strongest nations in the M.E during the 1960s and 1970s were to the upper East. They were allies of the U.S and friends of Israel.
The other M.E nations to the far South were starting to buy cars and get rid of their donkeys. They didn't get involved.
I have a strong opinion on this conflict, but if I post it, I will just get banned.
But let me just say, I wouldn't shed a tear if a disaster wiped out the whole Middle East.
But let me just say, I wouldn't shed a tear if a disaster wiped out the whole Middle East.
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