israel levels an entire city within an hour

[Thebobo]

I have no sympathy for a populace who elect terrorists as their leaders and allow themselves to be used at human shields.

Sell the sob story somewhere else.

I bet if you were born into the same situation you would just as pissed off as the palestinians are.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

I bet if you were born into the same situation you would just as pissed off as the palestinians are.

Ukraine probably have lots of justification for firing missiles at Russia, but they are sensible enough to understand/see that doing so would be a very bad idea.

If Ukraine fired thousands of missiles at Russia, what do you think would happen ?

Cuba probably does not especially like the US, especially in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
Should they have fired 10,000 Iranian missiles at the US, and what would have happened ?

There are much better ways the Palestinians could be handling this, which can lead to Peace in that region.

I.e. Negotiating Peace and if that fails, PEACEFUL protest.

 

[Borealis7]

well...20 Palestinians tried to protest. Hamas executed them earlier this week.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...ccused-of-treachery-blamed-israel-for-deaths/

(some say 20, some say 25 or 30)

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

well...20 Palestinians tried to protest. Hamas executed them earlier this week.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...ccused-of-treachery-blamed-israel-for-deaths/

(some say 20, some say 25 or 30)

I've seen a video (on the BBC website), where the Palestinians suddenly see two of their own missile rockets, heading off to attack Israel, and many of them were cheering and pleased about it.
Apparently, Hamas was voted in.

If they want to be run by terrorists, then they can/will have to accept all the troubles and bad stuff, that it usually results in.

Terrorism is NOT the right way to go about things (my opinion).

 

[Raizinman]

My solution to the conflict is:
Israel should give the Palestinians an ultimatum. Either surrender today or be bombed tomorrow. Anyone surrendering will be allowed safe passage into Israel proper or will be set up with documents to leave Israel. I’m sure Kerry will allow them into the US, heck everyone else is allowed in.

Those not leaving Gaza, will be bombed at the prescribed time. The bombing will be complete and totally leveling. Gaza will be bombed section by section, but allowing for anyone who wants out, to come out. Therefore, the people who stay, be it men, women, children, old folks, or whoever, are thus now categorized as combatants and fair game.

This should take care of dividing the Palestinians into who is for Israel and who is not.

This should take care of all the tunnel problems

This should take care of schools and hospitals hoarding arms

I base the above on my former service in the IDF.

 

[norseamd]

Any guess as to what your opinion would be on the same idea occurring to Israel and the Israelites?

 

[werepossum]

I bet if you were born into the same situation you would just as pissed off as the palestinians are.

That goes to bias, not moral correctness.

My solution to the conflict is:
Israel should give the Palestinians an ultimatum. Either surrender today or be bombed tomorrow. Anyone surrendering will be allowed safe passage into Israel proper or will be set up with documents to leave Israel. I’m sure Kerry will allow them into the US, heck everyone else is allowed in.

Those not leaving Gaza, will be bombed at the prescribed time. The bombing will be complete and totally leveling. Gaza will be bombed section by section, but allowing for anyone who wants out, to come out. Therefore, the people who stay, be it men, women, children, old folks, or whoever, are thus now categorized as combatants and fair game.

This should take care of dividing the Palestinians into who is for Israel and who is not.

This should take care of all the tunnel problems

This should take care of schools and hospitals hoarding arms

I base the above on my former service in the IDF.

Go where? No way in Hell is Israel letting them in, and I sincerely hope that Kerry and Obama don't let them in here. We don't have many actual radical Muslims (as opposed to FBI-created radical Muslims) and I'd like to keep it that way. Jordan won't take them, Egypt won't take them, Syria probably won't take them. Nobody wants the Palestinians and the Palestinians don't want to leave.

 

[Raizinman]

Go where? No way in Hell is Israel letting them in, and I sincerely hope that Kerry and Obama don't let them in here.

Fault can be found in any solution, but is the possibility of failing worse than what is happening now?

As for a place for the Palestinians; Israel could put them in the Sinai. I’m sure that both Israel and the US would be happy to construct some temporary housing since the fighting is over. Heck, there would probably be contributions from all over the world in joy since the fighting has stopped. Many Palestinians do want to leave, do you think they are happy where they are? Many countries (to end the fighting) would take a percent of the Palestinians. Where to put there is probably the easiest part of the problem.

 

[norseamd]

We can draw a line from the Gaza Strip to the Dead Sea. Everything south of there is Palestine. Everything north of there including the West Bank is Israel.

 

[werepossum]

Fault can be found in any solution, but is the possibility of failing worse than what is happening now?

As for a place for the Palestinians; Israel could put them in the Sinai. I’m sure that both Israel and the US would be happy to construct some temporary housing since the fighting is over. Heck, there would probably be contributions from all over the world in joy since the fighting has stopped. Many Palestinians do want to leave, do you think they are happy where they are? Many countries (to end the fighting) would take a percent of the Palestinians. Where to put there is probably the easiest part of the problem.

The possibility of failing plus the certainty of killing every Palestinian unwilling or unable to leave is certainly worse than what is happening now, yes.

As for the US paying for temporary housing, as an American I'm happily behind any permanent housing bill that would relocate the Palestinians to any acceptable place in the Middle East. Right now we help Israel pay for missiles and tank shells and we give the Palestinians money for rebuilding which is largely spent on rockets and mortar shells and then we wonder why the two sides don't give up the fighting.

At its core though, the Jews aren't willing to leave Israel and the Muslims aren't willing to leave Palestine and the two places share the same physical space. This conflict isn't ending until one side is completely broken or one side completely changes - and if it's you guys who completely change then you'd best just leave, because they'll kill you anyway. (And if that ever happens, you guys are welcome here.)

 

[norseamd]

(And if that ever happens, you guys are welcome here.)

Many Americans would disagree. Many Jews and Muslims in America are far more moderate right now. We do not want any more terrorists to immigrate to America.

 

[CitizenKain]

My solution to the conflict is:
Israel should give the Palestinians an ultimatum. Either surrender today or be bombed tomorrow. Anyone surrendering will be allowed safe passage into Israel proper or will be set up with documents to leave Israel. I’m sure Kerry will allow them into the US, heck everyone else is allowed in.

Those not leaving Gaza, will be bombed at the prescribed time. The bombing will be complete and totally leveling. Gaza will be bombed section by section, but allowing for anyone who wants out, to come out. Therefore, the people who stay, be it men, women, children, old folks, or whoever, are thus now categorized as combatants and fair game.

This should take care of dividing the Palestinians into who is for Israel and who is not.

This should take care of all the tunnel problems

This should take care of schools and hospitals hoarding arms

I base the above on my former service in the IDF.

Yea, I'm sure Israel would welcome the same people they are murdering wholesale into their country.

Why not just push for extermination of every person in Gaza and be done with it. It is obvious that is what you want.

 

[Matt1970]

Apparently you just don't read the news.

Oh we see it on a daily basis. Day after day, rocket after rocket, suicide bomber after suicide bomber all aimed at Israel's civilians. Then when Israel retaliates and actually goes after Hamas militants but innocent bystanders get hit you guy all come alive with concern for civilians. That kind of hypocrisy makes me want to throw up.

 

[Whiskey16]

We've already had calls for the "killing" of all Palestinians by werepossum and others...

Now a criminal discussion for full on ethnic cleansing, indescriminate destruction, and collective punishment against the targetted population of Palestinians.

The current refugee camps of Gaza and its enforced ghetto isn't working out for Israel, so why not threaten the choice of extermination or forced relocation to new ghettos and refugee camps deep into the Senai desert...

An Israeli and werepodsum wish a modernised pogrom as the Ottomans against the Armenians. Hell, the bloody Germans used that template for their purification goals. Why not the irony for Israel to follow suite?

The incitements here are for genocide - as per the law.


Yes, really that is what you bloody neo-Nazis advocate. Damn, this forum continues its run to emulate Stormfront.

New depths of immorality that would assuredely destroy Israel domestically as well as severe and quick international sanction.

Bigoted supremacy for the win here.

 

[werepossum]

We've already had calls for the "killing" of all Palestinians by werepossum and others...

Now a criminal discussion for full on ethnic cleansing, indescriminate destruction, and collective punishment against the targetted population of Palestinians.

New depths of immorality that would assuredely destroy Israel domestically as well as severe and quick international sanction.

Bigoted supremacy for the win here.

Actually what I said was that I was okay with the "killing" (not sure why that's in scare quotes) of all Palestinians IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE THEM STOP LAUNCHING ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL, BLOWING UP ISRAELI CHILDREN, KIDNAPPING AND KILLING KILLING ISRAELI CHILDREN. Not quite the same thing.

However I received an infraction for that and have now adopted the approved position that Palestinians have a right to live even if that requires that they be allowed to murder Israelis. I don't understand it, but I have adopted it as these are not my forums and as a guest I must abide by the rules.

Hey, I'm just glad he gave me an infraction rather than lobbing a rocket or tank shell at me. I am so, so very lucky to not have been born in Israel or Palestine where this would be considered an acceptable response.

 

[GrGr]

My solution to the conflict is:
Israel should give the Palestinians an ultimatum. Either surrender today or be bombed tomorrow. Anyone surrendering will be allowed safe passage into Israel proper or will be set up with documents to leave Israel. I’m sure Kerry will allow them into the US, heck everyone else is allowed in.

Those not leaving Gaza, will be bombed at the prescribed time. The bombing will be complete and totally leveling. Gaza will be bombed section by section, but allowing for anyone who wants out, to come out. Therefore, the people who stay, be it men, women, children, old folks, or whoever, are thus now categorized as combatants and fair game.

This should take care of dividing the Palestinians into who is for Israel and who is not.

This should take care of all the tunnel problems

This should take care of schools and hospitals hoarding arms

I base the above on my former service in the IDF.

Here is a movie for you to watch.

Kanal 1957
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050585/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

September, 1944. It's the 56th day of Warsaw's uprising against the Nazis. The third Platoon of the Resistance is down to 43 heroic men and women, and they're penned in. After a last day of fighting, and of good-byes to family, to love making, and to music, a handful of doomed survivors wade into the city's underground sewers in hopes of escape. Their valor is tested a final time.

Oh how the tides have turned.

 

[Whiskey16]

It is not "an acceptable response" to exterminate Palestinians in Israel nor vice-versa in Palestine.

It is sorrowful that you accept genocide and extermination as a final solution.

 

[cyclohexane]

Damn, the UN shelter gave the Israeli army
17 fuckin calls to make sure they don't get bombed, and they still got bombed. Wtf?!?

 

[GrGr]

Damn, the UN shelter gave the Israeli army
17 fuckin calls to make sure they don't get bombed, and they still got bombed. Wtf?!?

Israel has made a point of specifically bombing UN positions for decades.

Israel knows the US will cover their murderous actions in the UN. Israel knows this because Israel owns the US political system. Since Israel owns the US political system it also owns the US diplomatic system. Not to mention the US military that answers to US politicians.

 

[norseamd]

Yep the Americans and Israelis have had contempt for the UN for a long time now. Although now the US is starting to stop the constant handouts to the Israeli government. They may have intentionally targeted the UN.

 

[Whiskey16]

If peace and security eventually require killing them all [Palestinians], they brought it on themselves. That's the beauty of democracy.

I won't apologize that you find this view disturbing, for it's a disturbing view. But at some point even Old Yeller had to be put down.

Actually what I said was that I was okay with the "killing" (not sure why that's in scare quotes) of all Palestinians

The former is your original quote and you are reaffirming that you are "OK with killing all Palestinians. "

I don't understand it [offence to exterminating genocide of entire civilian populations]

It is a true shame that you openly challenge the critiques and find no fault for your concise and repeated calls for supremacist, bigoted, high and violent crimes against humanity.

 

[Raizinman]

Yea, I'm sure Israel would welcome the same people they are murdering wholesale into their country.

Why not just push for extermination of every person in Gaza and be done with it. It is obvious that is what you want.

Whether you agree or not, it's already happening. The Palestinians have the option to leave and their cities are being leveled. This will continue to happen over and over if they continue to send in rockets.

 

[Exophase]

Many Americans would disagree. Many Jews and Muslims in America are far more moderate. right now We do not want any more terrorists to immigrate to America.

Plenty of Israeli and Palestinian citizens are similarly moderate. Chances are the moderates would be the ones more likely to leave (and well, some have, ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_American)

 

[JEDIYoda]

It is not "an acceptable response" to exterminate Palestinians in Israel nor vice-versa in Palestine.

It is sorrowful that you accept genocide and extermination as a final solution.

That's right it is NOT ok....but if in dealing with Hamas innocent civilians get killed...I am okay with that...why? Because they elected Hamas.....just like we elected Obama...

 

[Conscript]

I wonder if in retrospect Hamas regrets lobbing those initial rockets...