Israel / Gaza Thread

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
How do you suppose we can overcome the obstacle of the vast majority of Israelis insisting on maintaining the Jewish nature of their state?

I don't condone such ethnic nationalism, and belive a one state solution is ideal, but I've yet to see many Israelis who would want any part of that. With that understanding, the two state solution seems the only way to bring an end to this conflict. From there tensions can calm, and perhaps decades down the line the two nations can unite.

We agree on not condoning ethnic nationalism. If East Jerusalem were given back in a two state solution (unlikely) then I could see it working.

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Also, keeping the Jordan River Valley...

Not that, I mean the boarder between Israel and the West Bank is where land could be swapped for a corridor to Gaza. Israel doesn't have any rightful claim to the Jordan and it would be absurd to grant them one for the obvious reasons you mention.

As for displacing the settlers, it wouldn't be such a catastrophe, as they would still have their state and simply have to relocate to within it's borders. It's not like they have generation old family homes there to weep over, though obviously the radical minority would attempt to make a show of it much like they did in Gaza. However, the vast majority are just there for the nice housing at good prices and tax incentives anyway, and would be happy to relocate to within Israel to bring peace to the region. Those houses could be used to help returning refugees get on their feet again. Also financial compensation in exchange for giving up the right to return of those who are from what is now Israel would provide a means to develop transportation networks as well as other infrastructure make better use of the land.

Except they've already taken nearly all the border land to justify annexing it in the event of a two state solution. I fear that many other Palestinians are completely opposed to a two state solution because they're afraid they're going to be handed the short end of the stick, especially if a gov't who clearly doesn't care about them (Fatah) is the one at the table.

 

[OCGuy]

"This is Obama whom the American machine of lies tried to portray as the rescuer who will change the policy of America, He kills your brothers and sisters in Gaza mercilessly and without affection."



Just as was expected, the world's ills will now fall on the shoulders of Obama. At this time he is not in power, so this is pretty far out there. However, the time when he is the president is not far.


It is going to be fun watching what the Dems do now that "their boy" is going to be responsible for everything that happens on earth.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.../ml_al_qaida_tape_gaza

 

[Sinsear]

I'm pretty sure this tape was put out by the Republican "Dirty Tricks Team".

 

[alien42]

"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: alien42
and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

It's an attributed quote that fairly accurately summarizes what he posted - you can hardly fault him for that. What I do find fault with is the need to post this crap in the first place. If AQ was a member here, "he" would be banned for being an attention whore on par with many of our other favorite members in ATOT. Why give them the attention?

 

[JSt0rm]

OCGuy and the republicans are siding with terrorists!!! Why do the republicans hate America?

lol. Remember when this kind of talk was serious? barf.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

No, its more like AQ sees a gaping hole in our defense as of January 20th. The Gaza attacks are a sign of whats to come on our own shores.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

No, its more like AQ sees a gaping hole in our defense as of January 20th. The Gaza attacks are a sign of whats to come on our own shores.

no, that is just in your head, not reality.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

No, its more like AQ sees a gaping hole in our defense as of January 20th. The Gaza attacks are a sign of whats to come on our own shores.

A president-elect who wants to at least double the number of American troops in Afghanistan and is hinting at expanded military action within Pakistan = A gaping hole in American defences?

Edit: Or are we talking about his stance on the defence of Israel? I can quote his exact words on that topic, let me know what part constitutes the gaping hole.

Obama supports Israel. Period.

On American aid to Israel: "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs."

On Israel's security: "Our job is to rebuild the road to real peace and lasting security throughout the region. That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. That will always be my starting point."

On U.S. mediation: "We should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli prime minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States."

 

[OCGuy]

Obviously the point of this thread was missed by a few.

It wasnt about the validity of the quote by Mr. Nutjob.


The point was that Obama is going to be blamed for everything negative that goes on in this world from here on out, and Dems are going to look like the "bad-guys". Just like everytime something happened in the last 8 years, it was Bush's fault.


Bad natural disaster? Obama's Fault

Russia invades another neighbor? Obama's fault

Economy doesnt recover? Yep, Obama's fault

Terrorist attack on US soil? Obama


It was silly to blame everything on Bush (other than what he really deserved), and it will be fun to watch the Dem's squirm as the get bad press around the world for things that he has no control over.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Bad natural disaster? Obama's Fault

GWB was not blamed for Katrina, he was blamed for the piss poor response. if there is a major natural disaster Obama will also be judged by the federal response.

good job Brownie

 

[gevorg]

So many bets on a guy who is not even a president yet.

 

[SandEagle]

maybe Obama's waiting to get into office before he opens his mouth? Why should he risk his position now by taking a side on such a sensitive issue?

 

[Red Dawn]

Seems Obama has to deal with the same situation Regarding Israel and the Palestinians that every President has had to deal with since the creation of Israel. Usually it's the Palestinians we have to convince to back down as Israel when provoked kicks ass and doesn't pay any mind to the US. Hell if we get in their way they'd just shoot up one of our ships.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propaganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

well, shouldn't this, at the very least, calm the fears of the most extreme right-wingers who during the election were absolutely convinced that Obama was a muslim bent on destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic Theocracy in the US?

I mean, this is AQ pretty much saying that he hates Muslims...they should be some sort of authority on this topic, no?

Then again, even the candidate for the Socialist party scoffed at the notion of Obama being a socialist and that didn't change their opinions either....

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

No, its more like AQ sees a gaping hole in our defense as of January 20th. The Gaza attacks are a sign of whats to come on our own shores.

no, that is just in your head, not reality.

the gaping hole? yes, that is rather obvious....

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propaganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

well, shouldn't this, at the very least, calm the fears of the most extreme right-wingers who during the election were absolutely convinced that Obama was a muslim bent on destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic Theocracy in the US?

I mean, this is AQ pretty much saying that he hates Muslims...they should be some sort of authority on this topic, no?

Then again, even the candidate for the Socialist party scoffed at the notion of Obama being a socialist and that didn't change their opinions either....

Well it's obvious these are just sore losers chipping their teeth. Hey we did it in 2000 before we had a chance to really see how bad Bush was.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Obviously the point of this thread was missed by a few.

It wasnt about the validity of the quote by Mr. Nutjob.


The point was that Obama is going to be blamed for everything negative that goes on in this world from here on out, and Dems are going to look like the "bad-guys". Just like everytime something happened in the last 8 years, it was Bush's fault.


Bad natural disaster? Obama's Fault

Russia invades another neighbor? Obama's fault

Economy doesnt recover? Yep, Obama's fault

Terrorist attack on US soil? Obama


It was silly to blame everything on Bush (other than what he really deserved), and it will be fun to watch the Dem's squirm as the get bad press around the world for things that he has no control over.

how this any different from any previous presidential term? nothing new here, really.

As for Katrina, no one blames Bush for a fucking hurricane. What they do blame him for, however, is the absolute ineptness of the post-hurricane recovery. That's what he gets saddled with.

A lot of this can be attributed to his apathy towards the impoverished (well-documented amongst his cronies), and the shifting of funds from various federal agencies to support the war in Iraq. Actually, it's because of this that you can pretty much blame him for all of the lead Chinese-made toys making it past inspection. There was an article published around that time showing how the Federal inspections department--eh, the department responsible for ensuring that such imports passed US quality control, had been reduced to the level of 1 individual in charge of inspecting the toys imported from China. So....every damn toy entering the US from China was 1 person's responsibility. Over the previous 3 or 4 years, this department, as with many, had experienced sever layoffs due to budget shifting.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alien42
"their boy"

stay classy ocguy

and why would you post threads that promote the view of terrorists that killed thousands of Americans? the title is straight up Al Qaeda propoganda, that's kinda fucked up.

Well with OCGuy it seems the enemy of his enemy is his friend and it's obvious he considers Obama his enemy.

No, its more like AQ sees a gaping hole in our defense as of January 20th. The Gaza attacks are a sign of whats to come on our own shores.

Look at the fucking logic of what AQ is saying.. take off your blinders and your bias..

Israel just killed 6-700 Palestinians and caused billions of dollars in damage **that Palestine does not have**.. HOW MANY did they murder when they BOMBED THE SCHOOL..... yes.. bombing a UN Protected SCHOOL IS MURDER DUMBFUCKS

So... then.. Has Obama said anything or does he also kiss Israeli booty too?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Obviously the point of this thread was missed by a few.

It wasnt about the validity of the quote by Mr. Nutjob.

The point was that Obama is going to be blamed for everything negative that goes on in this world from here on out, and Dems are going to look like the "bad-guys". Just like everytime something happened in the last 8 years, it was Bush's fault.
-snip-

Yeah, your point seemed pretty clear to me.

And I think that, more broadly, almost everything that goes wrong in the world is blamed on the USA.

Hamas shoots missles into Israel, Israel shoots back and somehow it's our fault?

I'm not sure why our MSM feels compelled to print everything that flows from the mouth of some AQ jack@ss. We may be better off if they were just ignored for a while.

Fern

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Bad natural disaster? Obama's Fault

GWB was not blamed for Katrina, he was blamed for the piss poor response. if there is a major natural disaster Obama will also be judged by the federal response.

good job Brownie

Horse Trainers in charge of Protecting and Caring for American Citizens in times of Natural Disasters.. WTF.. bloody retards.. and Bush said he did a good job.. yes..

Look at Paul Wolfowitz.. Neocon architect and super liar to our politicians.. Told them the Iraq war would only cost a few billion dollars and that Oil revenues would pay for it soon after it started.. Dumbfuck of the year.. or brilliant liar and psychopathic manipulator??

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Where do you promote people like Wolfowitz...
President of The World Bank

 

[DealMonkey]

Well Osama and the Republicans have at least one thing in common: They both blame stuff on Obama before he's even taken office!

:laugh:

 

[SandEagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

as everyone was celebrating Obama's victory, israel launched an attack that killed 6 Hamas activists. how come no one else is talking about this? obviously the ceasefire would've still been in place had this not happened. is this the first time anyone else is hearing of this?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: SandEagle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

as everyone was celebrating Obama's victory, israel launched an attack that killed 6 Hamas activists. how come no one else is talking about this? obviously the ceasefire would've still been in place had this not happened. is this the first time anyone else is hearing of this?

Haha.